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We made our final payment for our Thanksgiving cruise on NCL. We realize it will probably not go but hope springs eternal.

1 hour ago, Jobeth66 said:

 

I don't think businesses should be given blanket immunity from suit if their action (or inaction) results in injury or death to someone.  That's a matter for a jury to decide.  If the company has done nothing wrong, they won't have to pay.  If they have violated rules (ie - mask requirements) which results in injury or death to an employee or customer?  Darn right they should pay.

 

Just like if a restaurant doesn't require employees to wash their hands after using the washroom.  Or doesn't require employees to wear gloves.  Or serves contaminated food.  Why should a company be protected in one case and not the other?  It's all public health.

You are right but if I understand things correctly, even if a company has immunity they can be held responsible if they are negligent. For instance, if the company has a required clean regiment and it is not done they can be held responsible. I think the immunity is more to protect the company from people getting on the bus sick and spreading the virus to other passengers. Our company is primarily a charter service so we have groups contract the bus for an event. After consulting with their insurance company, without the legislation, the cost of liability insurance would put them out of business. 

NOPE!

2 hours ago, Jobeth66 said:

 

I keep seeing this 'waiver' thing popping up from multiple people and I'm just curious - what 'waivers' do you suppose the cruise lines could have passengers sign, and what would they entail?

 

Passengers can't sue if they get sick on the ship?  Who would be protected from suit?  The ship?  The crew? Other passengers?  The cruise line? The parent company?

 

do the passengers agree not to seek treatment in a hospital where they disembark?  Do they agree to pay in advance for any treatment they might receive?  Are they guaranteed to be accepted by these hospitals if they must be taken there?  

 

Do the waivers require the ships to provide medical treatment and housing at no cost to the passengers in the event they are restricted from commercial travel?

 

And what about minors?  Minors are generally not bound by the terms of a waiver signed by a parent/guardian - in most jurisdictions, the statute of limitations is tolled for a minor until after they reach the age of majority or emancipation - which means (for example) if the statute of limitations is 2 years, most minors would have until they are 20 years old to seek recompense for an injury that occurred before they were 18.

 

A waiver is, quite honestly, worth the paper it's printed on in most cases.  I'm not sure what people think it will prevent.

 

If someone gets sick on the ship, they're going to use up resources and it's going to result in others being quarantined, potentially  made ill, and potentially dying.  If it turns out the ship's crew didn't do enough (or knew about an ill passenger/crew member and didn't report it properly) that waiver is going to be null and void.  

 

I'm just really interested in how people think waivers work, and how one would be worded in such a way that the CDC would say 'oh, ok - if passengers sign this, you can sail even with the current risks'

 

Right now they working on legislation to protect businesses from lawsuits, especially companies that carry passengers. I work for a bus company and without this protection they cannot afford the liability insurance. 

While entertainment is a part of the cruise experience, I do not see it as essential. Quite frankly, a lot of the shows I have seen on the ships are not all that great. If they had no big shows it would not make a difference to me.

I would think finding individual entertainers or ensembles for the clubs and possibly putting together shows with acts would be fairly easy. Putting together a fullcast, stage show would be a lot more difficult. 

36 minutes ago, NHProud said:

 I booked a cruise on Celebrity , same company , to cruise the Pacific coast next year.  Then there’s Holland America and Princess . I don’t know much about cruising but know this much , I shouldn’t limit myself to one cruise line just for the reward perks. 

It looks like NCL has ships in three California ports.

She looks really rough with all of the rust.

We had one of these rooms on the Liberty and found it noisy. I will admit we may go to bed earlier than other people, but not unreasonably early. It has been a while but it seems there would be music and partying until midnight that could be heard in the room. Iy was interesting to be able to overlook the Promenade, but I would not book another one.

June of 2019, 14 day MSC Seaside Caribbean. Two weeks of relaxation on nice ship. Being a more European line, it was different. 

We live in the Atlanta area so the drive to Miami or Fort Lauderdale is now a two day drive for me. We have done it in one day, but then I need a couple of days to recupe 😉 .  

With my wife being a teacher the times we can go are limited, so we tend to look for cruises out of Tampa, PC and New Orleans to keep it within a day's drive, unless it's the summer when we can take more time. 

It is my understanding that even though one may sign a waiver, the company can be held negligent so the waiver may be nullified by certain actions or inactions. But if they take reasonable measures and follow any procedures they have put in place, they will probably be fine. 

I am in the tour bus industry and right now they are pushing for laws that absolve the company of responsibility if a passenger contracts the virus while on the bus. I do not know what the company will be required to do to not be held negligent, I am sure all of that will be worked out. Without this legislation it is doubtful companies will be able to continue because the cost of liability insurance. Our company has told us if they have to pay the proposed rates they have already seen, they will not be able to pay them. I am sure this situation applies to most service industries. How can a claimant prove where they contracted the virus? With a two week incubation period, it would be difficult to prove exactly where it was contracted. I am sure the lawyers will know, the deepest pockets.

Even though we are doing very little transporting, we are already receiving training on what we have to do while transporting passenger.

I have two thoughts on this.

1. I do not understand why it takes so long to process a refund. I understand the companies want to hold on to the money as long as they can, but I believe they could process them in a few days, not months. They are able to take my money as soon as I authorize it.

2. I do not care if they are incorporated in another country, they do a lot of their business in the U.S. and many have corporate offices here so they should be subject to any laws and regulations that govern their industry.

I am curious as to how much the cruise line receives (if any) when they scrap a ship.

We have this discussion every time we plan a cruise. I am at the point where an interior would do me just fine,  but my wife would rather have a balcony, or at least an ocean view. I try to make her happy. We cannot afford a suite, but that is ok and I will not begrudge anyone who can afford it. In the end we are all going to the same ports, strolling the same halls, watching the same shows, and drinking in the same bars. We can take more trips by staying in the steerage (I think someone called it) since we don't spend that much time on the room anyway. I liked having the balcony when I could enjoy a cigar or pipe there, but that luxury is gone so it is not that big a deal to me.

5 hours ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

Here is something I personally think is a positive~ No more crowded muster drills. I believe people will do their muster electronically (in room TV or app) and perhaps just report for check in. 

RCCL is working on it:

https://cruisefever.net/royal-caribbean-creates-new-muster-drill-to-eliminate-crowding/?fbclid=IwAR0y_brdInTFjkd_LDV1dxhWJmQV2SH0hSQUPim9dh6SFi3RrcI8UF3I5PA

1 hour ago, johnjen said:

I do not see "Cuba" as a cruise port visit in the future at all.

It may be a destination in the future, but after some research and thought, not one that I will be taking any time soon. It is a place I would like to see but not until there is new leadership and political change.

Sovereign was our first in 2003. It started us on a love for cruising that lasts until today. While it is sad to see her beached and getting ready to be dismantled, time marches on and technology moves us forward. 

1 hour ago, chrisaus said:

lol are you for real? Extra bit of crazy here

I am for real and not crazy. All the information is correct and my opinions are my own.

3 hours ago, luv2kroooz said:

For the most part, the musicians rotate through the different bars and longest. You might have jazz in Bliss one evening and a pulsating dance club another night. Same with Magnums. You might have a four piece Caribbean style band on one night and a solo guitarist the next evening. Check the Dailies, find something that sounds good, and follow up on it.

Thanks!

On 7/12/2020 at 11:34 AM, roger001 said:

They're both Jewel class.  So should be.  Down on deck 6 if that is what you are thinking about.  

I am not sure what that means. I should have said the Jade. Are you saying what I am looking for is on deck 6? What is the name of the lounge? Thanks.

5 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

No it doesn't:

You are correct and I apologize. I have corrected my post because it is just hundreds of thousands. One article estimates between 290K and 650K a year depending on the strain that year. Again, I sincerely apologize for overstating the number. Thank you.

1. In 2011, the Supreme Court of the U.S. ruled drug makers cannot be sued for side effects from vaccines. How do you trust an industry that cannot be held responsible for their product?

2. The flu kills hundreds of thousands every year but we have not gone into this hysteria over it. I have never had a flu shot and don't plan to in the future. I am not saying that is the right decision for anyone else but I don't want to be pushed into it either.

3. Does a cruise company have the right to require a vaccine? Sure they do, but I have the right not to give them any of my money.

4. If it is not required by the cruise company but a port of call requires it, I will not get off there.I have cruised enough that I am not anxious to get off anymore. If it was not for my wife, I would probably stay on the ship more.  

5. Nor will I cruise if a mask is required. I find it difficult to breath and most of the masks I see and they way they are worn are ineffective anyway.

Sovereign of the Seas was our first cruise on 2003. It was a great experience and set us up to go on many other cruises.

It is sad to see this happen, but as F27TW said, it is always inevitable.