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3 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

It only takes a few million to keep the industry going.

Like someone said on here  most of the 135million  are over the age 60 and they the ones that cruise. That has not been my experience when I cruise, but I pick the ships that are best suited for kids and families. 
Anyway I think it’s a pointless argument because the cruiselines will drop the mandates in a couple of months anyway. 

1 hour ago, amcankid said:

Once again you’re showing the me first attitude that most anti- vaxxers show.

To say the fragility is not your problem makes it a problem for all. Whether you care if you ever go on another cruise or not doesn’t mean the rest of us are as ambivalent to cruising.

And most of us who do want the cruise industry to survive and thrive understand the importance of doing all that can be done to avoid a serious outbreak which would effectively shut the industry down.

I could care less whether you choose to get vaccinated outside of anything cruise related. If you shop at Walmart and later that week you get extremely sick, Walmart will continue to thrive. 
Not so if either on the ship or shortly after the cruise. They will trace it back to the ship and shut it down for thorough cleansing. And if enough passengers get sick? Goodbye cruise industry for another few months, some permanently. 
Not that you care, cause you could take or leave what we passionately love!

How many cruises have you been on. 

3 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Nobody is getting unvaccinated and I believe is higher than 41%, but even 41% of 238 million is still over 134 million - plenty of people to fill every cruise ship many times over for years.

You really think 134 million people take cruises. Com’on Man. 

1 hour ago, PRNole47 said:

Here's a link that will give you an idea of how narrow your view is about the cruise industry and to whom it markets its ships. You'll find a wide variety of lines and ships that attract certain age groups, type of entertainment they offer, general cuisine on board, ports of call, etc., that attract one age group vs another.  Cruise Lines by Type | Fodor's Travel (fodors.com)

How is that article any different than what I just said. Are you saying the roller coasters and laser tag is to market for the 80 year olds?

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

I'm guessing you are very very young. I'm older and do NOT prefer the smaller ships. I loved Oasis and cant wait for allure. I love rides. I did the sky ride on vista, I love bumper cars and roller coasters. If mardi gras goes out of Galveston count me in on the roller coaster. I dont think age has a thing to do with loving rides. 

 

Do you know any older people? I've hiked in Hawaii and to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and love adventure. People might change in looks but they are the same inside as they were before. Wait until you get older, maybe you wouldnt post nonsense. Air boats, so fun. Belize  speed boats in cozumel. Bring it on. 

 

I do feel bad for families. 

I’m not very young, but I do have teens and I know what they like on a cruise ship and it’s not Hal. 

3 minutes ago, amcankid said:

Au contraire my friend. You might be right that the nation as a whole has just about peaked but even at that the percentage vaccinated is still climbing and will easily get to 55 or 60%.

Not as high a number as hoped for, but a large majority of people regardless.

As for cruises, the percentage of older people on ships is much higher than older people in general. And being that probably 80% minimum of people older than 55 have been vaccinated that changes the statistics for cruises.

And most importantly, just reading others comments on all posts related to vaccinations, you’ll notice the pro vax comment at least 3 times as much as non vaxxers. Assuming that reflects most people’s attitudes then you can throw the national statistics out the window. 
Very unscientifically and just a personal guess, I would put the numbers with all the above considered to be more like 80% vaccinated for those booked or ready to book.

And last but not least, I would say you will have many many more people say they will only go if there’s a mandatory vaccinated rule.

Personally, I’m no longer worried about catching it, but I’ll be damn if I’m going on a cruise that has a good chance for an outbreak, thus effectively ending that cruise or as a party to ending future cruise as the industry once again gets shut down.

We really have to look at the fragility of the cruise industry in regards to Covid and stop thinking about our own self interests.

The nation does not just consist of adults. Only 6% of children 12-15 have been fully vaccinated. The younger the child the more hesitant parents will be. 

This board does not represent the view of the whole population. Only about 15 million Americans cruise every year and that was when times were good.

Cruise lines have designed all their new ships for family's not for old people. They were counting on the family market. Maybe they can get the old people to play laser tag, bumper cars and ride the rollercoaster. I don't know, but I'm guessing they prefer the smaller ships. 

It will be interesting to see how Disney handles this, but it doesn't appear they are in any hurry to jump into the fire. They'll sit back and watch all the other cruise lines make fools of themselves.  

The vaccination rate currently is at 42%. Some of the states cruises embark from are sitting in the low 30's, Vaccine centers are being shut down due to lack of demand. Every place where I live is walk in and they are empty. 

As far as the fragility of the cruise industry that's not my problem. My life has been fine over the last year without cruises. I enjoy cruises and I'd like to go on one again someday, but it's not the end of the world if the cruise lines don't survive.  

A lot of people will choose not to cruise. When cruiselines can't fill their ships or attract  new customers then they'll decide to let the other 58% on their ships. 

With only 41% of the population vaccinated and demand for vaccines falling off a cliff they won't be able to sustain this long term. They can fill their two or three ships at half capacity for now, but eventually their going to want to start making money. 

14 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Cruise lines can issue their own vaccine documents that accommodate 100% of their vaccinated passengers and crew. 

OMG do you ever stop posting. Do have a job or a life?  I don't post here very often, but every time I do you respond. . 

3 hours ago, Lee Cruiser said:

I just posted this on another topic.  This is very interesting about Florida:

 

Just read an interesting article about the way Celebrity cruises is handling Florida.  I'm not going to post the link because it  comes from another cruise blog and would get flagged for moderator approval, so I am posting quotes from it instead.  I wonder if Carnival will  try something like this.

 

Celebrity requires its passengers from the United States who are age 16 and above to be fully vaccinated.  As of August 1, 2021, all guests age 12 and older must be fully vaccinated.

"Florida is a little bit different," Ms. Ritzenthaler explained. "We will still go out with 100 percent of our crew and 95 percent of our guest vaccinated."

"In Florida, we will not require you to have to show proof of vaccination, because we are doing this exactly the right way, but we will go out with 95% of our guests still vaccinated."

 

If you choose not to show proof of vaccination, then there are additional steps required to fulfill in order to sail.   According to Celebrity, guests who do not show proof of vaccination will be considered unvaccinated and will require a SARS-COV-2 test at the terminal at their own expense.

Guests that do not meet the requirements will be denied boarding. Unvaccinated passengers may be also be restricted in certain ports, depending on the local laws. "Guests who do not provide documentation of full vaccination will be considered unvaccinated and will require a Covid test at the terminal at their own expense. Guests that do not meet the requirements will be denied boarding."

 

How much do covid tests cost? I get tested every week for free. 

2 hours ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

It's not a medical record, it's a vaccine ID. No one is forced to take a vaccine, this law intends to remove the consequences of that personal choice. Choices have consequences, hastily enacting a law to shield people from consequences of their choices is basically making them out to be victims (of their own making). There is no constitutional right to cruise. They are not persecuted and there is no constitutional crisis. It's a crisis of personal responsibility/accountability. 

 

It's like the old saying about the freedom to swing your fist ends at someone else's face. This law basically is diving face first into someones fist and then claiming to be offended and creating victims who seek to be shielded from the consequences of their own free choices. Free choice does not mean free of consequences.    

Because cruising is the most important thing in the world therefore vaccine passports should be allowed just to accommodate the 1% of the population that cruises. 

1 minute ago, balcony bound said:

I think more visit the theme parks, beaches, hotels, restaurants than cruise.  Florida has been wide open for all those lockdown state folks to vacation.  Kept the economy going, kept people employed.  The cruise stuff will resolve, I think folks are just out of patience.

I went to Florida three times during the pandemic. I would have liked to cruise, but there was no lack of things to do in the state. It’s been the best vacation option this last year. 
 

15 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

 Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Montana, Texas, South Carolina and South Dakota have vaccine passport ban laws. 

You left out Alabama, and Lousianna has one in the works. Many states have partial passport bans that you didn't list. 

11 hours ago, Joe817 said:

Well, with all due respect to you sm3ds, you do not speak for those other states. You may find that your claim is not the case at all. Let's just let this thing play out and see how it goes. 

I may not speak for those other states, but I am aware of the politics in those states. Washington is a perfect example. No opposition there. 

12 minutes ago, Joe817 said:

TN, I hear you. The law as written, and not just this law, but ALL of State, Local, and Federal law, is written in hyper legal terminology, and it winds up as sounding like gibberish. To me, a layperson, it is full of contradictions, and inconsistencies. But that's not the case. That's why we need lawyers to interpret the law for us.....for example...

 

you said: "I am not sure how Carnival will be able to cruise with only vaccinated passengers". Well, me neither. BUT...but...but...if you read the law as written, it says that the State cannot restrict(prohibit) a business from implementing covid-19 screening and protection protocols....

 

Well....there's your out. They cannot prevent a business from implementing, etc, etc, etc. But they CAN implement screening and protection ( read that to mean they CAN deny boarding without having to worry about being penalized) protocols. I hope that makes sense. I'm through trying to interpret law. It's beyond me. 

 

 

I think if a cruise line needs an out or way to circumvent a law that the people of that state support as evidenced by the bipartisan legislative support. They should probably just cruise out of another state. There are plenty of states that would welcome vaccine mandates. 

18 minutes ago, WhaleTailFlCruiser said:

 

No Doctor I know has ever once said not to get vaccinated, My dad has a multitude of health issues including Parkinson's and all of his Doctors highly encouraged getting said vaccine. 

 

If you want to cruise then get a vaccine, Others shouldn't be punsished because you chose not to get one and if a breakout occures on a Ship after all of this it will be a disaster.  

How many doctors do you know.? 

34 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Public health is a responsibility of government and not overreach in any way.

Tell that to people that lost their businesses. Do you have to answer every post that’s not directed at you? 

6 minutes ago, lazydayz said:

 

It looks to me like Carnival is still trying to reach a resolution with Florida.  If not, I think their attorneys can get them comfortable that the Florida law is unconstitutional.  I don't blame them for not wanting that fight, but if Carnival has a reasonable level of risk tolerance, they just sail from Miami with a fully vaccinated ship.  

Can you explain to me why it's unconstitutional? Governors have been telling private business what they can and cannot do throughout this whole pandemic. Have you forgotten about mask mandates, take out only,  capacity restrictions, gyms not being allowed to open. Disneyland shut down for a year and then no out of state visitors allowed.  My favorite you can't drink in a bar without ordering food. The list just goes on and on. 

I'm perplexed as why all of sudden government telling a business they can't ask for medical records is an over reach. They've been over reaching for over a year and most of you were Ok with it. 

9 hours ago, Cafedumonde said:

BAD DECISION, CARNIVAL.  Even worse since both Arnold and Duffy previously said they would not require vaccines.

Nothings official yet. You can always upgrade to Royal. 

16 hours ago, Eli_6 said:

And the unvaccinated people could always just take a different vacation, too!  

It doesn’t appear that we’ll have too. 

On 6/4/2021 at 11:54 AM, ChutChut said:

Those Florida sailings are in jeopardy unless they comply with FL law.

They are complying. 

7 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

No need, since vaccinations are the preferred path forward. The majority of America is, or will be vaccinated.

Are you speaking for  other people now too. 

Just now, BlerkOne said:

From thinking no vaccinations required, to vaccinations required. It is clear that is what the majority want.

Nothing has been confirmed. Everything you post is just speculation and opinion. Why don’t you just wait until they make an official annnouncement. 

1 hour ago, Eli_6 said:

My husband (jokingly) suggested that they should have one boat for the vaccinated and another for the unvaccinated. They can call the unvaccinated the cooties cruise and make it 14 days since they will probably be floating around for awhile when they have an outbreak.  

 

But seriously...I have a 7 and 8 year old. Yes, all things being equal, I would rather cruise with my kids. But if it means being able to safely get and keep cruises going, I would rather cruise without them than not cruise at all.  And the cruise industry desperately needs to get going again.  The employees need cruises to start.  The port towns and businesses that benefit from cruises need them to get going.  This is about so much more than just one person's wants or vacation.  By this time next year, those of us with kids will be able to cruise with them.  If it means sacrificing one vacation with my kids, I can deal. 

You could always just not cruise if you don’t want to be with unvaccinated people. Do something else with your kids. 

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

There is always a chance, but the pendulum has swung the other way for Carnival.

How so?