Paul Bogle

2 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

what is your thinking of when they will start up? Since its not 2021 or aug/sept. 

I have expressed many thought on this. I have commented specifically on this thread about this. 

I guess number two explains your behavior best.

6 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

ill be sure to send you a post card before your 2021 start date. 😎

This is a perfect example of:

1) outright lie

2) lack of reading comprehension

3) dementia

I have no idea which but I hope it isn't the first as that represents pure cynicism.

Move goal post

obfuscate

make false claims

On and on and on you go.

2 minutes ago, tonit964 said:

He believes that cruises are going to start up sooner rather than later. I don't get why some are continuing to argue with him. He's made up his mind and that's fine. It doesn't effect anyone else, that's all I'm saying.

I think the more appropriate term is discussion.

The pushback is due to his priggishness toward those who have a view at variance with his own.

2 minutes ago, tonit964 said:

So this effects you how? If seaman is optimistic about cruising and wants to get on a ship asap, more power to him.

 Just be nice. 😊

seaman has a Panglossian outlook on this situation which causes him to move his goalposts as each rosy scenario reveals itself as unworkable. He seems determined to continue with revised dates until like the proverbial broken clock he is right. That's unobjectionable on its own but he chastises everyone that points out the obstacles to be overcome and labels them as naysayers etc. He's only getting back what he gives out.

The Jewel class ships had self-service laudromats when they were initially launched. They were removed about a decade ago. Perhaps you are reading a quite old document?

7 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

i know many of you are rooting for them not to sail, for some strange reason,  some just dont want to sail this year and think no one should if they dont.  I can assure you they are worried about covid and not a hurricane that may or may not appear.  There could be a set back of course, but i feel good about august as things in the south are starting to open up now. remember we are talking almost 3 months from now. 

Since you are quoting me, you must believe I am "I am rooting for them not to sail". This is just the latest in a very long and growing list of things you are wrong about.

1 hour ago, seaman11 said:

they sail every year during hurricane season from galveston, i know i was stuck on one during harvey.  which isnt as bad as ppl make it sound, i had an extra 6 night vacation . 

You are correct, Carnival has sailed from Galveston every hurricane season for two decades now.

What they have never done before is to choose to, after a global pandemic and a corporate financial calamity decide to stick one of the first ships they get ready for passengers in an isolated and hurricane prone port like Galveston.

It is for this reason that I suspect Carnival will not sail from Galveston before mid October at the earliest. Which gives you a few weeks lead time to get your "Why I believe October really really will be the restart of cruising" thread going.

Let's restart cruising from Galveston in the height of hurricane season.

What could possibly go wrong?

I really do not see that happening. Florida is a different story as ships can sail in several directions. From Galveston ships can only sail around the Gulf or south a full day to have any option of avoiding a storm.

If ships are to sail profitably at significantly less than 100% capacity, fares will need to be significantly higher. 

With fewer people considering cruising, i'm not sure how this circle gets squared.

We sailed a 10 day southern Caribbean itinerary from NYC on the Gem in 2009. We really loved the ship and have since sailed on sisterships Jade and Pearl. There will be activities for an eleven year old but there will be far fewer options on the Gem than on the newer/larger class of ships. 

We sailed Breakaway to Bermuda three years ago and really loved the itinerary. Since you will be spending three days and two nights docked in port, perhaps the fewer options onboard will be less significant as you will have so much to see and do ashore. 

I only see that sort of scenario occurring as a condition imposed by the foreign port. By implication passengers would be confined to the ship as to do otherwise would make impossible enforcement of a ban on non-cruiseline excursions.

I do think one of the biggest stumbling blocks for renewed itineraries would be ports allowing ships back. Perhaps some of the first itineraries to be offered might be short 3/4 day itineraries going from Florida to private islands like GSC, Coco Caye, HMC etc. Since contact with locals is minimized, objections would be less. These cruises could be attractive to younger people who are at far lower risk of serious illness from Covid19.

When cruising returns there will not be any "social distancing" practiced like what is happening in most places now. This is the primary reason why cruising will be one of the last businesses to reopen.

I understand your position and am glad you were able to cancel and can rebook a future cruise. With that said NCL is very skimpy with making adjustments for price reductions on bookings after final payment. The most common offer is a one time 25% onboard credit. I just don't see why anything would be offered for a better unbooking offer after one has already unbooked. 

Find a better boyfriend.

The free at sea gratuity charges cover gratuities for the free at sea promotions; drink and/or dining package. They do not cover the standard daily service charges.

(If you are in the UK it operates differently for legal reasons)

I agree with bluesea777. We have sailed Gem, Jade and Pearl and every balcony cabin had the same layout; bed in the middle of the cabin, sofa by balcony door.

36 minutes ago, PATRLR said:

Oh boy....  I'm sorry, I tried to make a funny (hence the smiley face 🙂 at the end).  Apparently I failed miserably.  

Yes, I am well aware that they took an equity interest and they didn't just purchase, for example, the Horizon to use as one of their private yachts.

 

Oh boy....I'm sorry,I tried to point out that the Saudi sovereign wealth fund is governed by minds that I consider unreliable. Not that you thought they were trying to buy bigger yachts. 🙂

5 minutes ago, PATRLR said:

I know the Saudi Royals like their big, personal yachts and all that, but buying Carnival seems a bit over top, even for them.  🙂

 

They didn't purchase assets, they took a shareholder interest in the company. This is the same bunch who thought they could chop-up a Saudi national and contributor to western media in their embassy in Turkey and no one would notice.

As always caveat emptor.

22 minutes ago, julig22 said:

I agree 100% - the places that benefit and/or depend on tourism need to step up.  Whether or not they have the money is another matter.  But while I don't think the "US" as a whole should necessarily provide funds, those areas of the US like Alaska and Florida might need to  provide some financial aid as part of their individual state plans (I hope those exist!) for economic recovery.

How about places like Finland, Germany and Italy that build these billion dollar ships?

I have commented on other threads that the cruise lines will and should be way down the list for bailouts. I do think it needs to be said that cruise lines have never garnered substantially different profit margins than their domestic holiday competitors. 

If fiscal assistance were to be extended to the cruise lines in exchange for incorporation in the USA and adherence to USA labor laws the implication is obvious; higher fares and lower demand. On many levels that may be a good outcome, but it should be considered by participants in this forum.

Yes

55 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

well princess had the most cases, i think ncl had 0 cases on board if im not mistaken. 

Passengers became symptomatic on the Feb 29 sailing of Pride of America, March 1 sailing of Bliss and March 7 sailing of Breakaway.

We have a cruise booked for Jan-03-2021 departure. Our final payment date is still Sept-05-2020

I suspect this change was made independently by your travel agent, not by NCL. I would call your agent and ask why the change was made and what will happen if you refuse to make final payment until the date agreed when you booked.

If you cancel, you will be subject to the penalties outlined in the contract of carriage.

At the moment you can receive a credit for a future cruise through the "Peace of Mind" program if you rebook under the terms of the program.