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djneph

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Glad you are a stockholder as well. So take your greedy, cruiser hat off and put your responsible, stockholder hat on and answer my question. Do you think management is being responsible in situations where customers are booking direct and transfering to TA's at the last minute to pay full (or any) commissions for little or no work done? As a stockholder, you should be interested in any inefficient business practices that mangagement is engaged in. Maybe we (stockholders) should suggest a policy similar to what Carnival is doing: no transfers of direct bookings after 30 days.

 

And finally, what does what I do have anything to do with this subject any more than what you do?

 

 

The transfer thing is moot, they will pay their internal staff the commission or a TA what is a difference? And the benefits that the TA's offer is immense with not having to pay that extra staff rent, benefits, etc, yes I am looking at it from the stockholder point of view and a business owners.

 

And I want to know what you do because I want to see if your job is relevant or should be eliminated as you seem to want to do to TA's?

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Maybe that is why Carnival stock is worth $10.00 more a share than RCCL.

 

 

lol; comparing a stock price of two companies has ZERO meaning. That is like saying a nickel is better than a dime because it is bigger.

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Glad you are a stockholder as well. So take your greedy, cruiser hat off and put your responsible, stockholder hat on and answer my question. Do you think management is being responsible in situations where customers are booking direct and transfering to TA's at the last minute to pay full (or any) commissions for little or no work done? As a stockholder, you should be interested in any inefficient business practices that mangagement is engaged in. Maybe we (stockholders) should suggest a policy similar to what Carnival is doing: no transfers of direct bookings after 30 days.

 

I have to agree with ubd on this point. Although I personally think travel agents in general are often very helpful to many people, this is one situation (transferring a reservation from RCL to a travel ageny solely to obtain OBC or a perk from the travel agent) where RCL is being taken advantage of (not so much by travel agents, but by the cruisers who are utilzing this loophole). I do not blame either travel agents or cruise passengers for this (they are not breaking any rules and are mutually benefitting from something they are allowed to do). RCL is simply permitting a loophole that is costing them significant money. While I would hate to see RCL abandon travel agents, it would be a prudent business decision for them to close this loophole (i.e. prevent people from transferring reservations near final payment from the cruise line to a travel ageny to receive a perk).

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The transfer thing is moot, they will pay their internal staff the commission or a TA what is a difference? And the benefits that the TA's offer is immense with not having to pay that extra staff rent, benefits, etc, yes I am looking at it from the stockholder point of view and a business owners.

 

And I want to know what you do because I want to see if your job is relevant or should be eliminated as you seem to want to do to TA's?

 

You aren't listening at all, are you. The difference (of course) is that they are paying BOTH!!!!!!!! As a stockholder, I find that unacceptable.

 

To say that you and I will never see eye to eye would be a gross understatement. Let me just close my side of the argument this way. The internet has and will continue to change the way we do things. It has and will continue to to jeapordize traditional jobs as we have known them. It has allowed us to do things ourselves that we had to rely on others to do in the past. I could give you dozens of examples, but here are a few. Bank tellers, income tax preparers, postal workers, stock brokers, retail salespeople, insurance agents, loan officers and yes, travel agents. These aren't macabre career slashings, they're progress, improvement, efficiency and lead to other previously non-existent careers like web designers, software engineers and computer hardware specialists.

Look at most office environments today - few, if any, secretaries, smaller accounting departments, bigger IT shops, fewer office supplies. Ten years ago my essential office tools were my telephone, my calculator and my in/out basket. I used to see the mail guy three times a day. Today, all I need is my PC and I don't even know if we have a mail guy anymore.

 

Times really do change.

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You aren't listening at all, are you. The difference (of course) is that they are paying BOTH!!!!!!!! As a stockholder, I find that unacceptable.

 

To say that you and I will never see eye to eye would be a gross understatement. Let me just close my side of the argument this way. The internet has and will continue to change the way we do things. It has and will continue to to jeapordize traditional jobs as we have known them. It has allowed us to do things ourselves that we had to rely on others to do in the past. I could give you dozens of examples, but here are a few. Bank tellers, income tax preparers, postal workers, stock brokers, retail salespeople, insurance agents, loan officers and yes, travel agents. These aren't macabre career slashings, they're progress, improvement, efficiency and lead to other previously non-existent careers like web designers, software engineers and computer hardware specialists.

Look at most office environments today - few, if any, secretaries, smaller accounting departments, bigger IT shops, fewer office supplies. Ten years ago my essential office tools were my telephone, my calculator and my in/out basket. I used to see the mail guy three times a day. Today, all I need is my PC and I don't even know if we have a mail guy anymore.

 

Times really do change.

 

 

they are not paying the commission to both, only to whomever booked or owns it at final payment. Yes they are paying the salaries of their employees but there are far fewer of them then they would have to have if they didn't have the travel agent network. That is good business.

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Interesting observation: The same people who say that the reduction in profitability proves that the company's management is stupid, will in the next breath argue that if the company is able to improve profitability, it's not that they are smart, it's that they are evil and therefore should be taxed heavily because they are obviously treating their customers unfairly.

 

You just can't win with some people.

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Interesting observation: The same people who say that the reduction in profitability proves that the company's management is stupid, will in the next breath argue that if the company is able to improve profitability, it's not that they are smart, it's that they are evil and therefore should be taxed heavily because they are obviously treating their customers unfairly.

 

You just can't win with some people.

 

OMG Spongey...since you moved here from the Princess board I find myself agreeing with you more and more (which is VERY scarey) maybe all you needed was a change of venue to clear your head! :p

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OMG Spongey...since you moved here from the Princess board I find myself agreeing with you more and more (which is VERY scarey) maybe all you needed was a change of venue to clear your head! :p

 

I know! It is like he has been invaded by a body snatcher!

 

Whatever it is I hope it continues. Might turn out like Larry, where I actually like him. :D

 

jc

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Try google !!

 

 

 

 

jj......

 

 

I did and all I found was about "card mills" and that is a few years old and those aren't travel agents their scam artists. So what are these new regulations????

 

Since you are not posting what you found, I don't think it is real or you show us. :rolleyes:

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I did and all I found was about "card mills" and that is a few years old and those aren't travel agents their scam artists. So what are these new regulations????

 

Since you are not posting what you found, I don't think it is real or you show us. :rolleyes:

 

 

 

FTC: Bloggers, testimonials - that might help you.

 

 

 

 

jj.....

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FTC: Bloggers, testimonials - that might help you.

 

 

 

 

jj.....

 

 

HUh??? What does that have to do with travel agents? it has to do with online practices of companies that make promises on their sites it could be any company.We are talking real qualified, trained travel agents not order takers that most of those companies have working for them. Again you are making up stuff for your own agenda.

 

 

Aurelius, he is real, I met him on the Brilliance 2 weeks ago.

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HUh??? What does that have to do with travel agents? it has to do with online practices of companies that make promises on their sites it could be any company.We are talking real qualified, trained travel agents not order takers that most of those companies have working for them. Again you are making up stuff for your own agenda.

 

 

Aurelius, he is real, I met him on the Brilliance 2 weeks ago.

 

Do tell. It must have been fascinating.:D

 

jc

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There was a point I didn't think he was real.

 

I often find that people are very different in person than they are online. Some who are agressive or rude would never speak in public and the opposite is sometimes true. It would be interesting to meet some online folks to see what they're truly like.

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Aurelius, he is real, I met him on the Brilliance 2 weeks ago.

 

 

I've been on here long enough to unfortunately know he's real. His constant posts with on 3-4 word answers that don't answer anything is just trying to incite conflict. It would be nice if he just spit out what he's referring to.

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I've been on here long enough to unfortunately know he's real. His constant posts with on 3-4 word answers that don't answer anything is just trying to incite conflict. It would be nice if he just spit out what he's referring to.

 

 

But then he would have to have real facts and not things he was pulling out of the air that have nothing to do with the discussion.

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http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm

 

"The revised Guides also add new examples to illustrate the long standing principle that “material connections” (sometimes payments or free products) between advertisers and endorsers – connections that consumers would not expect – must be disclosed. These examples address what constitutes an endorsement when the message is conveyed by bloggers or other “word-of-mouth” marketers. The revised Guides specify that while decisions will be reached on a case-by-case basis, the post of a blogger who receives cash or in-kind payment to review a product is considered an endorsement. Thus, bloggers who make an endorsement must disclose the material connections they share with the seller of the product or service. Likewise, if a company refers in an advertisement to the findings of a research organization that conducted research sponsored by the company, the advertisement must disclose the connection between the advertiser and the research organization. And a paid endorsement – like any other advertisement – is deceptive if it makes false or misleading claims."

 

From what I have read the details have not been ironed out.

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