cage keeper Posted April 22, 2010 #126 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Mariner is our favorite ship. Our first cruise was on Mariner in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2RCCL Posted April 22, 2010 #127 Share Posted April 22, 2010 This news comes as no surprise to me. I never understood why RCCL decided to put the Mariner in LA when they had trouble filling the Vision on year round cruises from LA. Not only is the MA not selling cabins at the prices RCCL wants, the onboard revenue is very low. Most of the bar staff are receiving "guaranteed pay" as their sales/tips aren't enough for them to live on. Because of this, a lot of the crew want to transfer off this ship to more profitable ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Man Posted April 22, 2010 #128 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Seriously, HAVE TO GIVE... seriously???? Do you realise what that sounds like? :eek: We are so deep in doo doo....:( jc jc, are you suggesting the West Coast cruise market is not entitled to a government bailout?!?! :eek: ;) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare xpcdoojk Posted April 22, 2010 #129 Share Posted April 22, 2010 jc, are you suggesting the West Coast cruise market is not entitled to a government bailout?!?! :eek: ;) :D Tim, it certainly sounds like some on the west coast feel completely entitled.:D Hence the doo doo reference...:( jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Man Posted April 22, 2010 #130 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Tim, it certainly sounds like some on the west coast feel completely entitled.:D Hence the doo doo reference...:( jc I speak jc and know what you meant! ;) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Jeeper Posted April 22, 2010 #131 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Well I am reall happy that I get to ride her in 2 months, but will then be even more sad that she will be moving out of LA. Like others I will be looking forward to see what RCCL deceids to put in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isujim Posted April 22, 2010 #132 Share Posted April 22, 2010 LA is too big of a market for Royal to pull out of completely. They'll put something there. I'm not sure I totally agree..........we don't really know just how bad the revenue picture was, but I have a feeling it wasn't pretty. I think if they do position a ship out there it might be 4 and 5 night sailings. It will be interesting to see what actually develops in the year to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PamelaRic Posted April 22, 2010 #133 Share Posted April 22, 2010 I have the Mariner booked for Jan 2nd. So are those last cruises going to go down in price? Hopefully?? Or am I just wishful thinking! LOL Friends and I are on the Jan 2nd cruise too. Price has already come down once. Maybe more by the time we cruise. Us gals can hope. :) Pamela Tucson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted April 22, 2010 #134 Share Posted April 22, 2010 LOL. No we don't work for the cruise line. It's called common sense. Why would any cruise line pull a ship from a market if it is doing well? Think about it. It all comes down to $$$$$. Each ship has a target amount of money that it must make from not only sales from the ticket prices but also on board purchases. Galveston found this out several years ago when they lost a couple of ships. Now they only get one ship for about six months. Also, explain why Carnival moved a couple of ships away from the west coast. Galveston has Carnival ships year round. Carnival is only taking away one ship from the west coast. They still have 2 homeported in CA year round and one seasonal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negc Posted April 22, 2010 #135 Share Posted April 22, 2010 In the words of my brilliant Grandmother, "What are we? Chopped Liver?" Apparently that is a fairly good description but you should realize that they moved to the Mariner based largely on the perception that it was going to be a great market. The repositioning cruise which almost everyone claimed would be oversubscribed was actually less than popular and they were forced to practically give cabins away in order to come even close to sailing with a respectable number of passengers. Despite all the promises of an enthusiastic West Coast audience, it appears that perhaps due in part to the lack of a variety of itineraries from LA, business just didn't live up to their or your projections. Fortunately for RCI, but unfortunately for West Coasters, they are able to move their ships to more profitable locations with a minimum of disruption. They are, in the end, influenced more by the numbers than by the enthusiasm of a limited number of enthusiasts who didn't produce the numbers that were necessary to justify leaving Mariner there. Those who lobby hard for the cruiselines to move ships to their favorite local ports should consider this an object lesson and not let themselves be blinded by unrealistic expectations. If the support isn't there, the ship won't be there very long either.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising89143 Posted April 23, 2010 #136 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Galveston has Carnival ships year round. Carnival is only taking away one ship from the west coast. They still have 2 homeported in CA year round and one seasonal. Uh, were talking RCI here and not Carnival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGold Posted April 23, 2010 #137 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Well, I must admit I love Princess. I've sailed her a few times down to Mexico. Twice for 10 days, and one of those out of San Francisco. Loved all three sailings! I've been on RCI once and that was the Mariner last year. Fun ship, but I prefer the food on Princess and the ability to gaze out at sea from the main public areas more so than the Mariner. The Grand Promenade on Mariner is especially nice for night time, though. Still sad to see the Mariner go, especially for those devoted Royal Caribbean fans. Well we have Princess, Holland and NCL, but I have heard nothing but bad about all. Princess got an "ok".... We loved having the Mariner here. So sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted April 23, 2010 #138 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Uh, were talking RCI here and not Carnival. If you read the part I quoted someone said Carnival is moving a few ships from the West coast. I was just correcting them because they are only moving one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSticky Posted April 23, 2010 #139 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Give us back the Monarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted April 23, 2010 #140 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Give us back the Monarch. Already booked through April 2012 out of Port Canaveral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langley Cruisers Posted April 23, 2010 #141 Share Posted April 23, 2010 LA to Rome? This is a repo cruise I definitely want to be on! Wow, sounds amazing! How many sea days, do you figure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isujim Posted April 23, 2010 #142 Share Posted April 23, 2010 I will agree to some extent that lack of itinerary choices hurts the West Coast out of LA. Look I live in the center of the country...........I can fly East and hook up with cruises to Bermuda, Canada, New England or the Caribbean.........from LA it was Mexican Riviera or a repo through the Panama Canal.......we did both cruises out of LA.......enjoyed the full transit of the Panama Canal but did not enjoy the Mexican Riviera that much. If itinerary is an important factor in your sailing choices........those choices hurt LA.......there just wasn't that many choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PamelaRic Posted April 23, 2010 #143 Share Posted April 23, 2010 The following is a direct quote from Adam Goldstein, President and CEO of RCI: "Our deployment decision reflects both strategic and financial considerations. Royal Caribbean has had a major presence at the Port of Los Angeles and on the west coast of Mexico for many years with various ships and it is our hope to return in the not too distant future." I colored in the red. From this statement, I take it to mean we will be totally without an RCI ship but that the doors are left open to position one here again some day. I do hope it is sooner than later. Pamela Tucson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare VernRDH Posted April 23, 2010 #144 Share Posted April 23, 2010 We had planned a group of us to cruise on Mariner next June. Now we got nothing. Don't know where we are going to go now, we have done the Western Carib. 4 times. Not thrilled with the eastern. Unless I want to go to Europe, there is nothing in June when we could go. So now our group has to figure something else out. Totally bummed............:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isujim Posted April 23, 2010 #145 Share Posted April 23, 2010 The following is a direct quote from Adam Goldstein, President and CEO of RCI: "Our deployment decision reflects both strategic and financial considerations. Royal Caribbean has had a major presence at the Port of Los Angeles and on the west coast of Mexico for many years with various ships and it is our hope to return in the not too distant future." I colored in the red. From this statement, I take it to mean we will be totally without an RCI ship but that the doors are left open to position one here again some day. I do hope it is sooner than later. Pamela Tucson From a business standpoint.........the door is always left open:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGold Posted April 23, 2010 #146 Share Posted April 23, 2010 They should stop building so many "bigger and better" ships and fill the ones they have then! :mad: That should be a sign that things are not going well for the cruise lines on the west coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSticky Posted April 23, 2010 #147 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Already booked through April 2012 out of Port Canaveral. I know, but we were already booked on the Mariner next April and they took her anyways. I have several b2b's booked on the Monarch, but would gladly give them up if they wanted to give her back to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redheada Posted April 23, 2010 Author #148 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Apparently that is a fairly good description but you should realize that they moved to the Mariner based largely on the perception that it was going to be a great market. The repositioning cruise which almost everyone claimed would be oversubscribed was actually less than popular and they were forced to practically give cabins away in order to come even close to sailing with a respectable number of passengers. Despite all the promises of an enthusiastic West Coast audience, it appears that perhaps due in part to the lack of a variety of itineraries from LA, business just didn't live up to their or your projections. Fortunately for RCI, but unfortunately for West Coasters, they are able to move their ships to more profitable locations with a minimum of disruption. They are, in the end, influenced more by the numbers than by the enthusiasm of a limited number of enthusiasts who didn't produce the numbers that were necessary to justify leaving Mariner there. Those who lobby hard for the cruiselines to move ships to their favorite local ports should consider this an object lesson and not let themselves be blinded by unrealistic expectations. If the support isn't there, the ship won't be there very long either.:rolleyes: Well I guess another cruise line or land based vacation will be getting my business because I will only fly to Florida every once and awhile and it would have to be for a longer cruise. If I am going to pay to fly then Hawaii will get my business over a Florida cruise hands down. We decided after our last cruise to never go out of Galveston again (not really for any other reason then the challenges of air, hotel, transportation to and from the port - we loved the Voyager). I sincerely hope that that RCCL doesnt abandon us.... but then again I am only one guest (well really anywhere from 4-8 when we travel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising89143 Posted April 23, 2010 #149 Share Posted April 23, 2010 They should stop building so many "bigger and better" ships and fill the ones they have then! :mad: LOL. They can fill their ships but from other ports besides L.A.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isujim Posted April 23, 2010 #150 Share Posted April 23, 2010 LOL. They can fill their ships but from other ports besides L.A.;) and apparently for higher rates............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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