Trip Report - Carnival Glory 6/24 - CRAPS

[Dicenator]

CARNIVAL GLORY – TRIP REPORT (6/24 – 6/27)

This was a 4 day cruise out of New York making one stop at St. Johns, New Brunswick in Canada. This was a birthday gift for my wife and we upgraded to a suite. Just a side note; anything less than a suite on any future cruises will be a disappointment. The only thing to see in St. Johns is the Bay of Fundy and the reversing river caused by the 28 foot change in water height due to the change in tides. This is the largest tidal change of anyplace in the world. When we left New York it was in the mid nineties and the ship sailed directly east for almost a day. When I woke up Friday morning and went out to my balcony the temperature had to be mid fifties. I said “what the f___”. On Saturday in St. Johns it went up to 70 and was very pleasant. As usual for a cruise the food was excellent and plentiful. For the whole cruise the ship was the smoothest I’ve ever been on. The Atlantic was like a lake with wave height of only 1 foot. One morning at breakfast I watched dolphins swimming alongside the ship.

Now I’ll get on to the world of craps. There was 1 craps table on the ship and it was 12 feet long with a red micro fiber layout. It was somewhat bouncier than what I am used to playing on in Atlantic City. The rubber pyramids were normal in size and bounce back. The table limit was $5 minimum and $200 maximum with only 2x odds allowed. There were no hopping bets on the layout. I used a $100 buy in for each session and never had to go back into my wallet for more.

The first night the craps table opened at around 7:30 and was packed for the whole time I was there. I did manage to get the SR1 position and only used my Underhand throw for all my hands. My wife and I had a pooled bankroll of $1500 for the cruise so it was hard to keep track of my wins or losses on a daily basis but at the end I’ll summarize. What I felt was that the playing conditions sucked and this was because half the players at the table were loud and obnoxious New Yorkers. Half of them were dumb asses playing for the first time and disrupting the flow of the game with late bets, hands all over the place etc.

Day 2 was an at sea day so craps opened around 1:00 in the afternoon and I played for an hour or so. The conditions were better. There were no more than 6 players and the obnoxious ones from the night before were not there. I played even that afternoon. In the evening when I got to the table, the only shooting position that was available that I was willing to shoot from was SL2 so I used my Parr throw. I did really well this night and had 3 rolls of 21, 21 and 22 throws almost consecutively. I made approximately $200 on this session.

The third night since we were in port for the day, the casino opened around 7:30. The table was cold and I was only luke warm so the result was about an $80 loss.

Sunday the 4th day was an at sea day and the casino was opened all day with craps opening around 1:30 in the afternoon. Again the table was cold and I couldn’t get anything going and ended up with a $60 loss. That evening after dinner, I got SL1 and used my Parr throw. This was working fairly well for me. No great lengthy rolls but every hand was a money maker in that I was getting my 2 or 3 paying hits per hand at a minimum. Now for the fun part! My wife who lost her $750 playing blackjack, roulette, Caribbean stud, Let it Ride and 3 card poker went to the ATM machine and withdrew an additional $200. She proceeded to lose $175 of that. She then came to the craps table and got a position at the hook. Well her first hand was 18 throws followed by 35 throws on her next hand. She made 5 points during this 35 throw hand and 90% of her throws were box numbers. She was making every number so just about every player at the table had the across numbers all covered. From $25 she walked away with $325 so she recovered $300 of her losses making her total loss for the cruise $650. She left after that to go to the stateroom and pack for departure the next day. I stayed and played 2 more hands. What I had noticed when she was throwing was that she was using a Parr throw and landing the dice about 3 feet from the wall and they were running up to the wall. So I decided to shorten my throws which I had been targeting for about 15” from the wall to maybe 24”. My last 2 hands were 15 throws and 13 throws so I continued to make more money. On this last evening I had bought in with $150 and cashed out with $475. So the totals for both of us for the cruise were: My wife – down $650 and me – up $450 for a total loss of $200. For 4 nights this averaged out to $50 loss which was more than acceptable. I only wish she had played more craps instead of all the other table games. Her average roll length so far this year after about 1200 throws is 11.35.

Some of my thoughts are as follows; I never felt that I figured out the correct landing zone and speed of my throw with Underhand. Using hindsight I would have moved to SR2 instead of the SR1 that I used. My mechanics are coming back with this throw after a month and a half slump. I’ll know for sure the next outing at the casino I normally play at.

With my Parr throw the dice stayed nicely together and there was a spade emblem on the table right where I wanted the dice to land and I hit it 90% of the time. The throw looked and felt good and my average roll length was close to 12 so it worked OK. Again using hindsight I would have targeted my landing zone farther away from the table. Overall considering the negative conditions and that there were no other DI’s on this cruise I’m satisfied coming home having made money.

Below I have listed the throws that I made in every hand both Underhand and Parr. The throws are listed in sequence for each type but not by date. Day 1 I only used Underhand. On days 2 thru 4 they were mixed together. I throw Parr equally well from the left or right sides. What I found really great is that none of my hands were a PSO. The shortest hand was a 5 and I made 2 paying hits during that hand so it wasn’t a loss.

UNDERHAND THROW SERIES:

#1 -8,3,4,4,5,2,10,9,7

#2 - 3,4,6,5,9,8,4 PT,6,10,4,8,8,8,6 PT,9,3,8,10,8,7

#3 - 12, 3, 9, 8, 9 PT, 9, 4, 7

#4 - 8,2,10,8 PT,3,6,9,10,3,4,7

#5 - 7,5,8,3,10,6,8,5,9,5,5,6,7

#6 - 9,4,3,8,5,6,9 PT,5,6,7

#7 - 3,5,5 PT,8,4,8 PT,10,5,5,5,8,9,3,9,7

#8 - 4,10,4 PT,8,6,7

#9 - 5,11,2,10,6,11,8,11,9,7

#10 - 9,9 PT,11,5,9,2,12,7

#11 - 5,6,9,5 PT,5,6,6,4,4,7

#12 - 5,9,6,5 PT,10,8,6,7

#13 - 8,6,12,11,8 PT,4,5,7

Note: I play high and low on come outs so a 12 or a 2 is a winner for me.

PARR THROW SERIES:

#1 - 8,3,6,9,11,10,7

#2 - 3,6,3,5,5,3,3,4,9,12,4,4,9,7

#3 - 8,6,9,2,5,10,4,4,11,10,6,8 PT,7,3,6,3,11,12,9,8,10,7

#4 - 7,8,6,11,10,7

#5 - 7,6,5,8,10,9,9 PT,9,8,5,8,4,6,8,8,9 PT,3,10,9,4,7

#6 - 9,11,6,9 PT,10,5,6,5,8,9,8,9,4,8,12,8,9,9,3,4,7

#7 - 8,3,3,12,6,7

#8 - 5,4,4,2,8,4,2,6,7

#9 - 6,3,8,6 PT,5,11,5 PT,5,6,4,5 PT,6,8,4,5,3,9,7

#10 - 8,6,4,9,5,7

#11 - 10,10 PT,7,12,6,8,9,8,10,12,3,4,3,7

#12 - 3,8,9,12,9,10,11,7

#13 - 7,5,6,6,4,8,7

#14 - 4,6,10,6,6,12,10,3,6,10,6,11,6,7

#15 - 7,7,11,9,9 PT,8,12,7

#16 - 6,8,8,6 PT,10,9,9,6,5,7

#17 - 5,5 PT,8,6,4,5,4,8 PT,7,9,8,11,6,9 PT,10,7

#18 - 4,9,4 PT,8,5,6,7

#19 - 7,5,3,8,4,3,7

#20 - 9,12,10,6,6,7

#21 - 5,10,2,6,3,9,7

#22 - 8,11,3,4,10,5,6,2,3,9,6,6,7

#23 - 4,10,2,5,6,5,10,8,4 PT,9,7

#24 - 5,4,10,3,5 PT,8,11,5,2,7

#25 - 5,8,2,4,8,2,6,10,5 PT,7,6,4,4,11,7

#26 - 10,12,9,4,9,8,5,4,11,6,9,8,7

Dicenator

[joshd33]

Great post! Curious as to your betting methos/strategy for the trip?

[Dicenator]

I play the pass line with 2X odds. After establishing the point I cover the inside numbers, 5,6,8,9. I don't press. I just let them ride until the hand ends.

 

Now I'll tell you how you should bet if you have the bankroll.

 

After you establish your point, cover the inside numbers with 3 unit bets. So you would have $15 on the 5 & 9 and $18 on the 6 & 8. Whatever number you have as the point make a 3X odds bet. Hopefully most of the time you will have an inside number as the point. You would need either $68 or $71 dollars to bet this way if an inside number is your point. If 4 or 10 are the point you need an additional $20.

 

You leave these bets as they are until you get 2 paying hits or 7 throws total including the comeout throw. Which ever of these occurs first you regress your bets down to a single unit. 2 hits locks in a profit and anything you hit after that is more profit. This is called INITIAL STEEP REGRESSION.

 

You can't be a random roller and expect this to work for you. You need to be a Dice Controller with a minimum Seven to Rolls Ratio of at least 7 to be consistently profitable using this method. If you have a locked in profit and the roll is continuing then you can press up whatever number or numbers seem to be prevalent in this hand.

 

Dicenator

[MrCo9]

I can't stop laughing.

[AndyTheK]

I can't stop laughing.

At what? I see no joke here.

[Dicenator]

Mr. CO9,

 

Would you mind explaining what you think is so funny. I don't see you adding anything useful to the discussion.

 

 

Dicenator

[Yo Eleven]

Mr. CO9,

 

Would you mind explaining what you think is so funny. I don't see you adding anything useful to the discussion.

 

 

Dicenator

Good grief, who let him out of his cage again? :rolleyes:

 

Dicenator-Awesome update. I enjoyed reading your account of your craps sessions very much.

 

How was the rest of the ship? Food and entertainment, etc?

[Dicenator]

Yo Eleven,

 

The cruise was only 4 days and it was for my wife's 60th birthday so we upgraded to a suite. The suite was fantastic and it will be hard to go back to a balcony stateroom in the future. We also had my 87 year old father-in-law with us and my brother and sister-in-law. They are not too competent at traveling so in a way we were baby sitting. The food was excellent although I don't have gourmet taste buds and everything tastes good to me. We had the anytime dining and we were there at 5:45 every night and had the same table and wait staff every night. They were very good and I gave them and the cabin steward extra tips on the last day.

 

I didn't really go to any shows although I poked my head in about 5 times on the last night. The show was mostly rock & roll and my father in law came out holding his nose and complaining that it wasn't Frank Sinatra and it was too loud. TOO LOUD he's mostly deaf so I don't know how it could be too loud for him.

 

My entertainment on the cruises is the casino and particularly the craps table. I am extremely happy when I can play at a $5 table which I don't run across in Atlantic City all that often. I had $200 per night for gambling so a $5 table gets me a hell of a lot more playing time than $10.

 

My wife and I are going to San Juan for a week on August 2 and are staying at a condo on Isle Verde Beach which is within walking distance of 4 or 5 casinos. When I get back I'll have another trip report to post.

 

Dicenator

[evergladesgator]

Hey YO,

 

Still waiting to find out what was so FUNNY when i said i emailed Frank Scoblete. Y'all thought it was halarious !!!!!! Now when MrCoe9 states it was funny y'all bad mouth him . What Gives ??????????:confused::confused:

[evergladesgator]

DICENATOR,

How much y'all coming to the table with ??????? Seems like it's kind of a more than i go to a 5$ table with. Looks like one time bet for the average 5$ better and if a seven comes, your OUT. thanks

[Yo Eleven]

Hey YO,

 

Still waiting to find out what was so FUNNY when i said i emailed Frank Scoblete. Y'all thought it was halarious !!!!!! Now when MrCoe9 states it was funny y'all bad mouth him . What Gives ??????????:confused::confused:

Need attention, eh? LOL! I answered your question in the appropriate thread. C ya there.

[Dicenator]

Everglades gator,

 

I'm really not sure what you were asking me. On the cruise I had $200 per night to gamble with but I bought in at each session with $100. The last session on the last night I bought in for $150. I was up pretty much from the first night.

 

When I go to Atlantic City on a day trip I have $400 available but I will only buy in for $200.

 

Dicenator

[evergladesgator]

Ole SENILE YO

Maybe i need attention BUT y'all NEED HELP !!!!! SERIOUS HELP.:p I think i have it figured out. Your an over the hill senior that thinks he knows everything but in reality is a minimum 2 or 3 dollar bettor. Seen a lot of this type at the tables over the years And i think that another person that is a dealer at Sam's Town in Vegas has y'all figured out too due to his experience at the tables over the years. This type is easy to spot. They usually have big mouths, you know talk big and don't have a pot to PIZZZ in. How come there are NO books on the market from the BIG YO ???? I can guess why. Can you ????? Cause y'all don't even know how to s[pelll correctly. OF course this is MY personal opinion judging from all the BS post about how to play craps. I emailed Frank againand he said he NEVER heard of you as far as knowlede about craps and he NEVER consulted with you about the game when he was writring his multi million dollar books and BEST sellers about dice control. WONDER WHY:confused:.

[Yo Eleven]

Ole SENILE YO

Maybe i need attention BUT y'all NEED HELP !!!!! SERIOUS HELP.:p I think i have it figured out. Your an over the hill senior that thinks he knows everything but in reality is a minimum 2 or 3 dollar bettor. Seen a lot of this type at the tables over the years And i think that another person that is a dealer at Sam's Town in Vegas has y'all figured out too due to his experience at the tables over the years. This type is easy to spot. They usually have big mouths, you know talk big and don't have a pot to PIZZZ in. How come there are NO books on the market from the BIG YO ???? I can guess why. Can you ????? Cause y'all don't even know how to s[pelll correctly. OF course this is MY personal opinion judging from all the BS post about how to play craps. I emailed Frank againand he said he NEVER heard of you as far as knowlede about craps and he NEVER consulted with you about the game when he was writring his multi million dollar books and BEST sellers about dice control. WONDER WHY:confused:.

Seriously, don't hijack the thread with this nonsense.

If you have a problem with me then take it to tigersharkseas@yahoo dot com and have it out with me via email. This is stupid and really doesn't help the forum. Later. :rolleyes:

[grod19]

evergladesgator - people were laughing at you on the other post because you emailed Frank Scoblete and then signed the letter evergladesgator. Its funny because you are referencing him by his real name then hiding behind an online name, had you signed it Tom or Bill or whatever your real name is no one would have laugh

 

Dicenator - nice recap, glad you had a good trip, I admire your "book keeping". I don't gamble enough to take it that seriously so if I ever find myself at the table with you just let me know and I'll pass the dice your way and you can go to town and hopefully we end up making some money.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

Dicenator,

 

nice detailed report.

 

Question - when you are at a full table on a cruise ship and you're not tossing do you just do a PL bet with odds or nothing?

 

I just got off the NCL Epic TA and thought their table was actually pretty nice but more bounce then I would like.

[Dicenator]

Mr. luckytoo

 

Mostly I will not bet on anyone who I consider to be a random roller. My wife is a very good shooter, just a hair behind me, and I will bet on her. You do find some decent shooters occasionally and I will bet on them, pass line, 2X odds and place bet the 6 and 8.

 

It can be kind of boring at times with a full table waiting for the dice to come back to you.

 

Dicenator

[MrCo9]

At what? I see no joke here.

 

Mr. CO9,

 

Would you mind explaining what you think is so funny. I don't see you adding anything useful to the discussion.

 

 

Dicenator

The fact that you write down and then post EVERY roll of the dice. I now know why you guys bring your little notebooks and pencils to the table and it's now even FUNNIER than we in the pit ever imagined. Thanks for the laugh.

[Dicenator]

MrCo9,

 

So I'm not sure if you are a player or a dealer. The only reason all of the rolls were posted is because I copied a file that I posted on a Craps message board where they appreciate detailed information. You are claiming that as a dealer you laugh at people with their pencils and little notebooks, which by the way are few and far between. WELL YOU ARE LAUGHING AT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY YOUR SALARY. ANOTHER THING IS THAT FOR YOU TO BE LAUGHING AT THIS IT SAYS VOLUMES ABOUT YOUR MATURITY LEVEL AND THAT YOU WISH YOU HAD ANOTHER JOB OR POSSIBLY ANOTHER LIFE.

 

I'm sure that if you had any idea how to make money playing craps, other than being in the right place at the right time, you would understand and appreciate record keeping and the benefits that can be derived from it. DO YOU LAUGH AT BACCARRAT PLAYERS TOO WITH THEIR CARDS THAT THEY KEEP TRACK OF THE HANDS ON OR BLACKJACK PLAYERS WITH THEIR BASIC STRATEGY CARDS.

 

I will try my best not to tickle your funny bone ever again.

 

Dicenator

[MrCo9]

MrCo9,

 

So I'm not sure if you are a player or a dealer. I am both.The only reason all of the rolls were posted is because I copied a file that I posted on a Craps message board where they appreciate detailed information. You are claiming that as a dealer you laugh at people with their pencils and little notebooks, which by the way are few and far between. WELL YOU ARE LAUGHING AT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY YOUR SALARY. ANOTHER THING IS THAT FOR YOU TO BE LAUGHING AT THIS IT SAYS VOLUMES ABOUT YOUR MATURITY LEVEL AND THAT YOU WISH YOU HAD ANOTHER JOB OR POSSIBLY ANOTHER LIFE. No, we're (Me and everyone else that works in the dice pit) are laughing at goofballs that think they can out manuver or outguess the dice by keeping track of 258 rolls before making a single bet. I don't get paid to be on here, my laughing will not get me reprimanded at work.

 

I'm sure that if you had any idea how to make money playing craps, other than being in the right place at the right time, you would understand and appreciate record keeping and the benefits that can be derived from it. DO YOU LAUGH AT BACCARRAT PLAYERS TOO WITH THEIR CARDS THAT THEY KEEP TRACK OF THE HANDS ON OR BLACKJACK PLAYERS WITH THEIR BASIC STRATEGY CARDS. Yes, I laugh at the bacarrat players too, each and EVERY time they head to the ATM to get more money because they KNEW there was no way the deal would come up Player 9 times in a row.

 

I will try my best not to tickle your funny bone ever again. All you have to do is post under the name Dicenator and I'll be laughing.

 

Dicenator

There it is again. :D:D:D

[Mr. Luckytoo]

There it is again. :D:D:D

 

MrCo9 - I always wondered why I had I had a real dislike for pit critters. Your post to dicenator reminded me...rude, rude, rude.

 

Being a pit boss isn't just about counting the chips and watching the dealers - customer service is a factor as well; something you obviously don't have a lot of experience with.

 

Tell me do you work at one of those glamourous Vegas joints...like Terrible's?

[MrCo9]

MrCo9 - I always wondered why I had I had a real dislike for pit critters. Your post to dicenator reminded me...rude, rude, rude.

 

Being a pit boss isn't just about counting the chips and watching the dealers - customer service is a factor as well; something you obviously don't have a lot of experience with.

 

Tell me do you work at one of those glamourous Vegas joints...like Terrible's?

I actually have awards from work for outstanding customer service. This forum is not work, this I do for fun. I do NOT owe you, Dicenator, Yo Eleven or anyone else any kind of service on here. Post something that I think is ridiculous and I will let you know just how ridiculous I think your post is. Come to my casino and I will treat you like a king, for as long as your bankroll holds out. What are you going to do after your 15 minutes?

 

Prior to where I am currently I was at the Stardust, I'm still with Boyd Gaming, I have posted before which casino, sorry I won't post it again.

[AndyTheK]

Y'know, reading this thread convinces me that Confucius was right when "he say"...

 

"Never argue with an idiot. People will not be able to tell the difference."!

 

Not pointing a finger at anyone. You can all look in a mirror and decide for yourselves.

[Dicenator]

MrCo9,

 

There is a big difference between someone like me keeping track of his own throws versus someone who is tracking a table. I believe that you said something about tracking 258 rolls before making a bet.

 

Nowhere did I say or imply that I do that. I could care less what any other chicken feeder is doing with the dice. I believe that you work in Vegas. I know why some players are tracking the table, do you know why?

 

You seem skeptical about dice influencing. Without keeping track of a players hand length over time how would you know if this player has any ability to roll longer hands on average than the average chicken feeder. Some people doubt that it can be done whereas others have proof that it can be done. Proof wins out over doubt every time.

 

Dicenator

[grod19]

There it is again. :D:D:D

 

however dicenator isn't using his pen and paper to predict the future he is using it to analyze the past. Ironically you are making fun of him for using the exact same methods that the casino uses to set payouts and odds. If dicenator can prove statistically over a very long period of time and hundreds or thousands of rolls that he is in fact maintaining a certain throw to 7 ratio then he can use that data to prove that playing craps will be profitable for him.

 

I agree with MrCo9 that using the little pad to predict what number will be rolled next is a total waste of time but that isn't what dicenator seems to be doing with his stats.