Using Birth Cert. at embarkation...

[MissDiva1]

But if they wouldn't comply, than she wouldn't book them? I know you say she has no problem not booking someone, but if someone calls me to book a cruise, i just inform them of what they need at the current time to travel, not what I think they should have.

 

My clientele is educated, and know they don't need a passport for a closed loop cruise, mass market or otherwise. In fact I can't see a person who doesn't have a passport, wants to do a closed loop cruise, knows they don't need the passport, complying just cause I, a TA tells them too. What they would most likely do, is book the cruise with someone else, and I would lose the business, and for what? A client having or not having a passport doesn't affect me in any way. Should they have one, yeah. Do they have too, nope, not for closed loop cruises.

 

It just sounds all wacky, and I don't mean to offend you or your friend. You say she doesn't specialize in mass market cruises, but even on the non mass market cruises I book, there isn't a ton of money in that (commission wise), so If she is doing pretty well, she would have to be booking a lot of mass market cruises in addition to what she specializes in. If she does, I can't see her never having a problem with people complying to her "passport rule", that honestly makes no sense. I can't think of one reason why a TA would have such a rule. I even asked my boss, who has been in the industry for nearly 40 years, and he said he would have no idea.

 

I mean If I walked in her office, said I wanted to book a cruise, would she ask for the passport then? And If I said no, would she say I have to get one, and if I refuse, would she not book me?

 

Really, not trying to be rude ( truly I am not), just as a TA myself, it perplexes me.

 

Would you like her phone number so you can ask her:confused: Because no matter how I try to explain you are twisting everything I say. She specializes in land tours in Europe, South America, Asia etc......not cruises. Maybe I shouldn't have said educated in regards to travel. I should have said well traveled clientele.....and for what it's worth she doesn't make anyone do anything she just educates the importance of a passport and they are the ones who make that choice.......geez I don't know what else to tell you. It works for her and it solves alot of headaches in the worse case senerio...now if you want to know the play by play of how that comes about I can have her give you a call:) I do know that when we referred our friends that are cruising with us this time who didn't have a passport she did tell them they needed one. They thought it was wise and got one......

[MissDiva1]

But at this point, the storm has passed and the passengers flying into Barbados are not in any danger nor are they being evacuated from San Juan for their safety. The ship left early and that was not an evacuation technically either, as much as it might have felt like it was!

 

I'd say the answer is still No. :)

 

And the more important point is this---even if for some reason the Barbados officials decided to make an exception and allow non-passport passengers to fly in, this does not mean another country would do the same! We should look at this situation as a warning.

 

Better to be safe and GET A PASSPORT or take the chance of being left behind. :eek:

 

What? Do you think they just left early so they could open up the casino earlier:confused: OMG!

[anchorsores]

why is everyone so arrgumentive. nobody here seems to have all the facts so why

passport huggers on the right and b/cs over here. now then ...

 

if John ( the GOD of ccl) says the pass. went to barbados, then the pass wet to barbados. what diff does it make how they got there. (or if they got there)

we all know that ccl wants to sail a full ship so i just cant imagine it is worth it to leave a few hundred behind. but im just guessing?

 

my guess is they either took the crews docments and put wigs and uniforms on the passangers. told them all to just look down and keep walking, get on the plane and act like you know what you doing

yes, that is how they did it -- or a magic spacehip!I saw it on a behind the scenes tour.

[spcopps]

OMG TOO FUNNY!! Maybe they just sent them on another Carnival ship, or a tug boat, and met the ship there. They would then be entering by sea :D

[jmeans23970]

Would you like her phone number so you can ask her:confused: Because no matter how I try to explain you are twisting everything I say. She specializes in land tours in Europe, South America, Asia etc......not cruises. Maybe I shouldn't have said educated in regards to travel. I should have said well traveled clientele.....and for what it's worth she doesn't make anyone do anything she just educates the importance of a passport and they are the ones who make that choice.......geez I don't know what else to tell you. It works for her and it solves alot of headaches in the worse case senerio...now if you want to know the play by play of how that comes about I can have her give you a call:) I do know that when we referred our friends that are cruising with us this time who didn't have a passport she did tell them they needed one. They thought it was wise and got one......

 

 

I am not twisting anything you say, I am just asking questions by what you have said. If she "specializes in land tours, than it is not up to her to require a passport. You can't fly to Europe, South America, Asia, etc without a passport, so it wouldn't be the TA making her comply, it would be the goverment. We were talking about cruises, but now you say she specializes in land vacations. I can't imagine her turning someone away for not having a passport if said person wanted to book a cruise vaction where a passport wasn't required, and I can't see said person complying with a TA passport requirement just because the TA said so. There would be a ton more TA's lining up to book the cruise. There are a million travel agents. In this economy, you can't be selective.

 

Just saying.

 

P.S. I would love to speak with her, but however you can't post that info on the boards.

[MissDiva1]

I am not twisting anything you say, I am just asking questions by what you have said. If she "specializes in land tours, than it is not up to her to require a passport. You can't fly to Europe, South America, Asia, etc without a passport, so it wouldn't be the TA making her comply, it would be the goverment. We were talking about cruises, but now you say she specializes in land vacations. I can't imagine her turning someone away for not having a passport if said person wanted to book a cruise vaction where a passport wasn't required, and I can't see said person complying with a TA passport requirement just because the TA said so. There would be a ton more TA's lining up to book the cruise. There are a million travel agents. In this economy, you can't be selective.

 

Just saying.

 

P.S. I would love to speak with her, but however you can't post that info on the boards.

 

I said from the very beginning she didn't specialize in cruises. I never said the my TA requires a passport because she just said so......and really you don't know of anyone who has purchased a passport for a cruise that didn't require one:confused: But after doing research or talking to someone they decided to? Goodness just do a search on here there are plenty. And quite frankly her business is fine.....she is selective...she doesn't advertise all her clients are referrals. And I would highly refer her to anyone.

[anchorsores]

I read it on John Heald's (Carnival Sr. Cruise Director) Blog. I think I might also have read it on his facebook page. At any rate, it is NOT my "wild imagining". LOL

 

can you try to find this:confused: bacuase i just read the john s blog - today(aug23)and yesterday's (aug21) - I didn't see anything about B/Cers being left behind in san juan. just that everybody will be happy when they get on board.

i want to see the actual story of pass being left behind bacause they did not have there passports

i could see where it would be easy to assume this but I m just guess'n...

[kbmeow]

can you try to find this:confused: bacuase i just read the john s blog - today(aug23)and yesterday's (aug21) - I didn't see anything about B/Cers being left behind in san juan. just that everybody will be happy when they get on board.

i want to see the actual story of pass being left behind bacause they did not have there passports

i could see where it would be easy to assume this but I m just guess'n...

 

Actually nothing was said either way. So we will have to wait and see if someone posts or someone can ask on his fb

[anchorsores]

OMG TOO FUNNY!! Maybe they just sent them on another Carnival ship, or a tug boat, and met the ship there. They would then be entering by sea :D

 

hey good thought! maybe a speed boat like the twister passion island thing in coz. told them all they are getting a free excursion comped to make up for the inconviece of being left behind.

but im just guess'n

[Essiesmom]

There were two ships that departed San Juan early on Monday. One was Carnival Victory, and the other Serenade of the Seas. Between them 445 passengers were left behind.

145 of those passengers were on Serenade. 15 of those had purchased Cruise Air through the cruise line and were put up in hotels by the cruise line and assisted with air to join their cruise Tuesday in Aruba. Those without cruise air were assisted to find hotels and onward transportation, but Royal did not cover any of their expenses. Including the 15 with cruise air, 60 passengers were able to join Serenade in Aruba, and two more will join Wed. in Curacao.

 

Carnival said that of the 300 left behind in San Juan, only about half joined the ship in Barbados.

Both Royal Caribbean said that there were no special waivers that they were aware of for those passengers traveling without passports.

 

This is excerpted from a cruise newsletter that drops into my inbox daily (for which I pay a subscription fee). I cannot quote it because it is copyrighted.

 

This is a link to the site for the newsletter, although you can only read excerpts without paying for a subscription, which comes to your inbox.

 

http://www.cruisenewsdaily.com/

 

EM

[anchorsores]

Actually nothing was said either way. So we will have to wait and see if someone posts or someone can ask on his fb

 

exactly!!!!!!!!!! so why is everyone arrguing over what happened!

everyone just needs to go to bed-- we have had a crazy day - earthquakes, huricanes... cant wait for tomarrow-

[S.S.Oceanlover]

I am not twisting anything you say, I am just asking questions by what you have said. If she "specializes in land tours, than it is not up to her to require a passport. You can't fly to Europe, South America, Asia, etc without a passport, so it wouldn't be the TA making her comply, it would be the goverment. We were talking about cruises, but now you say she specializes in land vacations. I can't imagine her turning someone away for not having a passport if said person wanted to book a cruise vaction where a passport wasn't required, and I can't see said person complying with a TA passport requirement just because the TA said so. There would be a ton more TA's lining up to book the cruise. There are a million travel agents. In this economy, you can't be selective.

 

 

 

Just saying.

 

P.S. I would love to speak with her, but however you can't post that info on the boards.

 

JMeans23970,

 

I don't think you are twisting anything around. I for one have been following this thread all night and was ready to ask every question you do after MissDiva's responses so you're not alone.

 

It seems the facts keep changing so I'm confused.

 

In post 101 it says she told Miss Divas friends that they needed to have a passport for the cruise they are taking with Miss Diva.

 

I guess they are going on the Breeze since that's the only ship that would require one AFAIK.:confused:

 

Bill

[MissDiva1]

JMeans23970,

 

I don't think you are twisting anything around. I for one have been following this thread all night and was ready to ask every question you do after MissDiva's responses so you're not alone.

 

It seems the facts keep changing so I'm confused.

 

In post 101 it says she told Miss Divas friends that they needed to have a passport for the cruise they are taking with Miss Diva.

 

I guess they are going on the Breeze since that's the only ship that would require one AFAIK.:confused:

 

Bill

 

Nothing has changed. I posted that as an example of how she runs her business........and how her clients comply. This is the way she runs her business.......nobody has to agree or like it. Jmeans thought it was weird that we gave her a copy of our passport in case of emergencies.....I find it convenient.......

[jmeans23970]

I said from the very beginning she didn't specialize in cruises. I never said the my TA requires a passport because she just said so......and really you don't know of anyone who has purchased a passport for a cruise that didn't require one:confused: But after doing research or talking to someone they decided to? Goodness just do a search on here there are plenty. And quite frankly her business is fine.....she is selective...she doesn't advertise all her clients are referrals. And I would highly refer her to anyone.

 

 

Ummm you did say your TA requires it....in post 44

 

I guess it could be our TA requires it for all her clients.

 

I know of plenty of people who purchased a passport for a cruise even when it wasn't needed, but that isn't what I was asking or saying. I don't see how a TA would require one. TA business is competitive. You can't afford to be that selective. I work in the business. I know. The more you post, the more I don't believe you..

 

You keep changing you story.

[jmeans23970]

JMeans23970,

 

I don't think you are twisting anything around. I for one have been following this thread all night and was ready to ask every question you do after MissDiva's responses so you're not alone.

 

It seems the facts keep changing so I'm confused.

 

In post 101 it says she told Miss Divas friends that they needed to have a passport for the cruise they are taking with Miss Diva.

 

I guess they are going on the Breeze since that's the only ship that would require one AFAIK.:confused:

 

Bill

 

 

I am just trying to understand it all lol. It is crazy. She keeps changing her story lol.

[MissDiva1]

I am just trying to understand it all lol. It is crazy. She keeps changing her story lol.

 

 

What exactly have I changed:confused:

[MissDiva1]

Ummm you did say your TA requires it....in post 44

 

I guess it could be our TA requires it for all her clients.

 

I know of plenty of people who purchased a passport for a cruise even when it wasn't needed, but that isn't what I was asking or saying. I don't see how a TA would require one. TA business is competitive. You can't afford to be that selective. I work in the business. I know. The more you post, the more I don't believe you..

 

You keep changing you story.

 

Umm yes I did.....that is the way she does business.......you make it sound like she says I require a passport because I said so....I already explained to you what she does you choose to ignore it........and you don't have to believe me.....

[jmeans23970]

What exactly have I changed:confused:

 

 

 

 

Well for one you said that your TA requires a passport

 

THen you say she doesn't.

 

 

That would be a change.

[GoingWithTheFlow]

There were two ships that departed San Juan early on Monday. One was Carnival Victory, and the other Serenade of the Seas. Between them 445 passengers were left behind.

145 of those passengers were on Serenade. 15 of those had purchased Cruise Air through the cruise line and were put up in hotels by the cruise line and assisted with air to join their cruise Tuesday in Aruba. Those without cruise air were assisted to find hotels and onward transportation, but Royal did not cover any of their expenses. Including the 15 with cruise air, 60 passengers were able to join Serenade in Aruba, and two more will join Wed. in Curacao.

 

Carnival said that of the 300 left behind in San Juan, only about half joined the ship in Barbados.

Both Royal Caribbean said that there were no special waivers that they were aware of for those passengers traveling without passports.

 

This is excerpted from a cruise newsletter that drops into my inbox daily (for which I pay a subscription fee). I cannot quote it because it is copyrighted.

 

This is a link to the site for the newsletter, although you can only read excerpts without paying for a subscription, which comes to your inbox.

 

http://www.cruisenewsdaily.com/

 

EM

 

Thanks for sharing this.

I read on another cruise website forum that the Carnival passengers who could not go to Barbados were offered a full refund for their cruise---but I haven't been able to confirm that.

 

Passport and trip insurance -- don't leave home (for your cruise) without them! :)

[MissDiva1]

Well for one you said that your TA requires a passport

 

THen you say she doesn't.

 

 

That would be a change.

 

I have always said that she requires her clients to have a passport when they travel outside the country.....

[S.S.Oceanlover]

I have always said that she requires her clients to have a passport when they travel outside the country.....

 

In post #44 where you were answering my post about Princess requiring all their cruisers to have passports, your reply was oh well I guess my TA just requires all her clients to have passports. Good for her it cuts through all the crap.(paraphrasing)

 

This was a post about closed loop cruisers where passports are not required.:confused:

 

Bill

[MissDiva1]

In post #44 where you were answering my post about Princess requiring all their cruisers to have passports, your reply was oh well I guess my TA just requires all her clients to have passports. Good for her it cuts through all the crap.(paraphrasing)

 

This was a post about closed loop cruisers where passports are not required.:confused:

 

Bill

 

Yes that is correct. But I also thought I heard that Princess does require them now too......I was wrong.

[S.S.Oceanlover]

Yes that is correct. But I also thought I heard that Princess does require them now too......I was wrong.

 

you're missing the point. It's not about whether you were right or wrong about princess.

 

You just posted that "I have always said that she requires her clients to have a passport when they travel outside the country..... "

 

In the post I just referenced you never said that she required them for all cruises out of the country.

 

You said I guess she required her clients to have them, period. That answer you gave was in reference to closed loop cruises.

 

 

 

Bill

[MissDiva1]

Well for one you said that your TA requires a passport

 

THen you say she doesn't.

 

 

That would be a change.

 

you're missing the point. It's not about whether you were right or wrong about princess.

 

You just posted that "I have always said that she requires her clients to have a passport when they travel outside the country..... "

 

In the post I just referenced you never said that she required them for all cruises out of the country.

 

You said I guess she required her clients to have them, period. That answer you gave was in reference to closed loop cruises.

 

 

 

Bill

 

See the above post........the highlighted part......that was what I was referring to......you are just picking apart my posts......go back and read all of them.......

[Philiesphan]

I cannot get a passport due to child support issues from years ago. State says I still owe. My youngest is 25 years old. I am planning to book a cruise for 10/02/2011 to Bermuda on Carnival Pride out of Baltimore. I am reading conflicting rules and regs concerning entry into Bermuda and re-entry to the US. Do I need a passport or can I use Birth Certificate, Enhanced Drivers License or what? Please help. I plan on booking today 08/24/2011.