Key Master Games

[sweetride]

I just found the details on how they're rigged and wanted to pass them on to everyone here.

 

#1. There is deviation set into the arm that can be set from 1.6mm to 3.6mm

 

#2. There is a set payout rate for each prize line in the game. No matter how perfect you are, the arm will move itself in the right direction that 1.6-3.6mm to make you lose until the payout rate has been hit. Its like hitting the lottery. The rate can be set from 1 (all skill) to 9999. This counter can also be reset at any point.

 

So if you've ever sat in the casino or O'sheehans and watched hundreds of dollars being pumped into the machine every few hours and no one ever wins, that is why. After reading this I googled their claw machines as my wife was grabbing things perfectly and the claw just wouldn't hold it. We walked away and watched a guy walk right over and grab it first try. The claw machines also have a set payout rate. So if you're not winning, its not you, its all rigged. I guess NCL isn't making enough money off us without putting in rigged machines :rolleyes:

[SeaShark]

I just found the details on how they're rigged and wanted to pass them on to everyone here.

 

#1. There is deviation set into the arm that can be set from 1.6mm to 3.6mm

 

#2. There is a set payout rate for each prize line in the game. No matter how perfect you are, the arm will move itself in the right direction that 1.6-3.6mm to make you lose until the payout rate has been hit. Its like hitting the lottery. The rate can be set from 1 (all skill) to 9999. This counter can also be reset at any point.

 

So if you've ever sat in the casino or O'sheehans and watched hundreds of dollars being pumped into the machine every few hours and no one ever wins, that is why. After reading this I googled their claw machines as my wife was grabbing things perfectly and the claw just wouldn't hold it. We walked away and watched a guy walk right over and grab it first try. The claw machines also have a set payout rate. So if you're not winning, its not you, its all rigged. I guess NCL isn't making enough money off us without putting in rigged machines :rolleyes:

 

I think you're being a bit dramatic with your language.

 

These machines are games of chance...they are NOT games of skill. If they were skill based, they wouldn't belong to the casino.

 

Yes...each has pre-determined odds of winning...just like a slot machine. And just like a slot machine, how you press the buttons doesn't determine whether or not you win...a random number generator does. The Key Master and/or Claw machines are just as "rigged" as any other gambling machine in the casino.

 

 

When you play a slot machine, there is a reason that they show you the symbols before and after the betting line...it is so people think they "almost" won and are enticed to keep playing. That is the genius of the Key Master...it "looks" so easy to entice you to play...and you are so busy trying to manipulate the controls to win that you forget that its a RNG that you're actually playing against.

[garycarla]

I just found the details on how they're rigged and wanted to pass them on to everyone here.

...There is a set payout rate for each prize line in the game. ...

 

 

Not sure that rigged is the proper term. Set payout rate is more accurate.

 

Yes, these can be set for a higher or lower payout. At the end of the day, the merchant (store, arcade, NCL, etc) puts those in to make a profit.

 

The ones in the penny arcades that give out $.20 prizes are set to win or payout more often than those with $200 prizes. They can be set higher or lower depending on what percent the "merchant" wants to keep.

 

As to how the ones on the ship are set - who knows. BUT - if the prize is $200 for example, you can be sure than it will take more than 200 $1 tries to win it, on average of course.

[sweetride]

rigged: fixing something so its to your advantage.

 

Arcade games should not be rigged, they should be a game of skill like the old claw games or skee ball. The Key Master games are only in some casinos, the rest of the time they're in other areas, such as outside O'sheehans on the Breakaway. There is no warning telling you that it is now a game of skill and its not in the casino, so there is no reason to think it is. If I go to a casino and sit at a slot machine, I know what it is. Even if you can justify the Key Master game as everyone should know its a rigged game, how do you justify the claw game? Kids in an arcade are supposed to know its rigged to lose until the 50th person tries?

[mpk218]

Like the WOPR said .. " The only way to win is not to play " ..

 

How about a nice game of Chess ? ;)

[SeaShark]

rigged: fixing something so its to your advantage.

 

Arcade games should not be rigged, they should be a game of skill like the old claw games or skee ball. The Key Master games are only in some casinos, the rest of the time they're in other areas, such as outside O'sheehans on the Breakaway. There is no warning telling you that it is now a game of skill and its not in the casino, so there is no reason to think it is. If I go to a casino and sit at a slot machine, I know what it is. Even if you can justify the Key Master game as everyone should know its a rigged game, how do you justify the claw game? Kids in an arcade are supposed to know its rigged to lose until the 50th person tries?

 

Based on your definition, everything in the casino is "rigged". Heck, by your definition I can "rig" your win percentage to 50% by using a 2-sided coin.

 

That hallway outside of O'Sheehan's is the casino. If you are not sure, perhaps asking first may mean a lesser need for pejorative language later.

 

 

And...as a last resort...common sense should tell you NOBODY is going to put out a game of skill where you could win a $500 (or more) prize for just a dollar.

[ColinIllinois]

Hold on a second here. You mean to tell me that machines and games in a casino are designed so that the house comes out ahead??

 

Who woulda thunk it? :D

[Love my butler]

rigged: fixing something so its to your advantage.

 

Arcade games should not be rigged, they should be a game of skill like the old claw games or skee ball. The Key Master games are only in some casinos, the rest of the time they're in other areas, such as outside O'sheehans on the Breakaway. There is no warning telling you that it is now a game of skill and its not in the casino, so there is no reason to think it is. If I go to a casino and sit at a slot machine, I know what it is. Even if you can justify the Key Master game as everyone should know its a rigged game, how do you justify the claw game? Kids in an arcade are supposed to know its rigged to lose until the 50th person tries?

 

Exactly. It is pure deception on NCL's part to make money. The vast majority playing the game believe it is skill-based and not on a payout schedule.

 

Keymaster has never gotten a cent from me, but the deceptive nature of the game fools many.

[che5904]

Oh goodness OP, this is not exclusive to NCL (making money) on this type of machine. Please be aware that any place (including arcades) that you put a coin or purchased token in a machine to win something. Has nothing to do with skill and completely to do with chance/luck or just plain set up for the owner/user to come out ahead.

 

I guess this thread is a good warning to those naïve enough to think that this is based on skill at all. But please don't be this upset, just chock it up to experience and if you don't wish to donate your money don't ever play anything you have to drop a coin in, that you expect to win something in return. The odds are always against you.

[QuickieGlenn]

We were in rough seas on the GEM and hit a big wave and some coins fell off the shelf on that coin game in the casino.

[sjbdtz]

I'm wondering, if you were completely unskilled at that type of game (as I would be... hand/eye coordination is not my strong suit), but the machine was due to pay-out at that moment, would it automatically go up & hit the prize?

 

Or...is there SOME element of skill involved?

 

 

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[hawkeyetlse]

Or...is there SOME element of skill involved

Yes, skill is necessary but not sufficient. Has anyone actually seen anyone win something from this key game? I wanted to ask the casino staff on my last cruise, but I'm sure they have instructions not to answer that question truthfully.

[garycarla]

I'm wondering, if you were completely unskilled at that type of game (as I would be... hand/eye coordination is not my strong suit), but the machine was due to pay-out at that moment, would it automatically go up & hit the prize?

 

Or...is there SOME element of skill involved?

 

 

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I am thinking there is SOME skill involved. After all, if you were 4 inches away and it just zoomed in and picked the prize.. well? Or, another way to look at it, how would it know which prize you want?

[sweetride]

Yes, skill is necessary but not sufficient. Has anyone actually seen anyone win something from this key game? I wanted to ask the casino staff on my last cruise, but I'm sure they have instructions not to answer that question truthfully.

 

I can say that on out last 12 night cruise not one thing was won on the game, but it wasn't played as much as the one on the Breakaway that was just saw always being played and no one winning

[philip_eunice1]

The only sport on TV that is not rigged is wrestling :rolleyes:

[che5904]

I can say that on out last 12 night cruise not one thing was won on the game, but it wasn't played as much as the one on the Breakaway that was just saw always being played and no one winning

 

 

:confused: You spent your 12 day cruise sitting watching a machine for the entire time?

[JohnIreland]

Everyone listen,

 

I have some shocking news about blackjack , slots , craps and roulette. The house always wins.

 

Also water is wet.

 

Stay tuned for more news at 11.

[sweetride]

Everyone listen,

 

I have some shocking news about blackjack , slots , craps and roulette. The house always wins.

 

Also water is wet.

 

Stay tuned for more news at 11.

 

I'm sorry, I didn't think I had to add the arcade games and the claw game to that list. silly me :rolleyes:

[sweetride]

:confused: You spent your 12 day cruise sitting watching a machine for the entire time?

 

Do you just post to add to your count, or to make yourself feel smart? If you walk through the casino every hour or two it gives you a good idea of how often something like that is played

[Medtech2]

I just found the details on how they're rigged and wanted to pass them on to everyone here.

 

#1. There is deviation set into the arm that can be set from 1.6mm to 3.6mm

 

#2. There is a set payout rate for each prize line in the game. No matter how perfect you are, the arm will move itself in the right direction that 1.6-3.6mm to make you lose until the payout rate has been hit. Its like hitting the lottery. The rate can be set from 1 (all skill) to 9999. This counter can also be reset at any point.

 

So if you've ever sat in the casino or O'sheehans and watched hundreds of dollars being pumped into the machine every few hours and no one ever wins, that is why. After reading this I googled their claw machines as my wife was grabbing things perfectly and the claw just wouldn't hold it. We walked away and watched a guy walk right over and grab it first try. The claw machines also have a set payout rate. So if you're not winning, its not you, its all rigged. I guess NCL isn't making enough money off us without putting in rigged machines :rolleyes:

I am always amazed when people think they can win big gambling. If that were the case casinos would not be in business. Yes, just enough people win to keep others trying, like giving rats in a maze an occasional bit of cheese....

 

I do know people who seem to win things but all these things are rigged to a degree--they are money makers after all.

 

Now I do understand that some people find this an enjoyable past-time. Just not me.

[phoenix1181]

We saw it hit a few times on our last Dawn cruise.

[che5904]

Do you just post to add to your count, or to make yourself feel smart? If you walk through the casino every hour or two it gives you a good idea of how often something like that is played

 

Personally I never ever look at my "count". I posted an emoticon that said I was confused (not smart).

 

I was responding to the absolute in your statement "I can say that on out last 12 night cruise not one thing was won on the game". The only way someone would know that was if they sat there 24/12 and watched it.

[sweetride]

Personally I never ever look at my "count". I posted an emoticon that said I was confused (not smart).

 

I was responding to the absolute in your statement "I can say that on out last 12 night cruise not one thing was won on the game". The only way someone would know that was if they sat there 24/12 and watched it.

 

or you ask the person who has the key to the machine :rolleyes:

[cvil88]

When I first played this machine on Carnival, I won an Ipad and $500. After playing it again multiple times, it never failed that I would just miss. After reading the Sega Keymaster manual, I realized that this game is rigged in that you don't have a chance in hell of winning unless a specified amount has been dropped into the machine. This is completely different then a slot machine. Every time you play a slot machine, you can possibly win. It is completely random. This must somehow explain why they can allow this game to be played while you are in port and the casino is closed. I just wished that they would be more forthcoming in explaining how this machine is set up and not mislead people to think this is a game of skill.

[sjbdtz]

This was actually recently in the news. Sega is being sued:

 

http://www.tssznews.com/2013/11/06/sega-named-in-key-master-rigging-lawsuit/