3 Crew dead on Monarch of the Seas

[jimbulger]

Hmmm, I wonder what they're offering for compensation.

 

ohhh now youve done it.....poured a big old helping of gas on that fire didnt ya

[HazyDavey]

Just about any gas in the appropriate combination can be lethal. It can also displace oxygen in a confined space, leading to similar problems. Lower levels of ships can have the same characterisitics of a typical confined space.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

It's a sh*tty way to go.

[celtic selke]

So far, I still don't understand what killed the three crew members? As far as I know (and that's not much), contact with feces or methane gas doesn't kill you - at least not instantly. So, was there an explosion? Was there insufficient oxygen? Something I'm not thinking of?

 

They probably either died from asphyxiation or toxic poisoning.

 

celtic

[crookedhalo]

GAS? did someone say gas? Where did ya find it and how much did it cost? LOL!! Pardon my insane sense of humor - gas has shot up from $2.49 on 8/28 to $3.25 yesterday :( <sigh> It will get better.....it will get better....it will get better (if I say it enuf times maybe will be true?:confused: )

 

Happy motoring everyone:D

[celtic selke]

GAS? did someone say gas? Where did ya find it and how much did it cost? LOL!! Pardon my insane sense of humor - gas has shot up from $2.49 on 8/28 to $3.25 yesterday :( <sigh> It will get better.....it will get better....it will get better (if I say it enuf times maybe will be true?:confused: )

 

Happy motoring everyone:D

 

Why do I feel that no one is laughing but you? Hope you can find all this jovial humor when tragedy strikes you. :(

 

celtic

[Coralc]

La times update:

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-090205gasleak_wr,0,3729826.story?coll=la-tot-promo&track=morenews

 

Mentions...5 gallon container of raw sewage??? I wonder why that would have been down there. It also says passengers were allowed to remain on board. Confusing reports with breaking news. It's very sad about the crewmembers.

[crookedhalo]

celtic -

 

I can say it through having lived through many hurricanes (some direct hits in So. MD in past years); I can say it through having relatives in Pensacola (direct hit last year); I can say it through having friends (life long) who live in Mississippi and are just now being heard from (yes they are alive, destitute and without a home, but thankfully alive). I can say it as a way to remember there are other things going on - the disgraceful price gouging by gas stations and retailers. This will have a big impact on things to come in the near future. How can anyone justify $5.87/per gallon? Check the news - that's what a station in GA is charging - his reason? He's not sure how much he'll pay NEXT week or if he'll even have gas next week!! Is that screwed up or what?

 

Sometimes we all need humor to ease the pain. If you notice, I di apologize in my OP for my "inane sense of humor" - it is my stress relief valve. I'm sorry if it offended you in any way.

[PhoenixCruiser]

As we said before the sewer smell on the Monarch a month ago was horrible.

 

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[kendall jackson]

post links only? why?

[firstcruise05]

9:35 am notified fire dept. ALPHA emergency on board. Starboard side, propeller shaft tunnel. Broken sewage pipe. then a code BRAVO alert. Fire dept on board at 9:27 am. Ship rescue started, Area is now stable. 3 dead, 10 minor injuries.

 

Pretty darn good fire department to be on board before they are even called! :confused: :D

 

Otherwise, very sad situation...hope they get it completely taken care of and are able to prevent future accidents from occuring. :(

[Alexis]

Humor can be a good thing at times. But, one small word of sympathy before the humor is thrown out there can mean a whole lot more.

My sympathy goes out to all the families of those that died. May the others recover quickly.

[celtic selke]

celtic -

 

I can say it through having lived through many hurricanes (some direct hits in So. MD in past years); I can say it through having relatives in Pensacola (direct hit last year); I can say it through having friends (life long) who live in Mississippi and are just now being heard from (yes they are alive, destitute and without a home, but thankfully alive). I can say it as a way to remember there are other things going on - the disgraceful price gouging by gas stations and retailers. This will have a big impact on things to come in the near future. How can anyone justify $5.87/per gallon? Check the news - that's what a station in GA is charging - his reason? He's not sure how much he'll pay NEXT week or if he'll even have gas next week!! Is that screwed up or what?

 

Sometimes we all need humor to ease the pain. If you notice, I di apologize in my OP for my "inane sense of humor" - it is my stress relief valve. I'm sorry if it offended you in any way.

 

It's OK. And yes,I can understand the need to keep things light sometimes. But it just struck me as the wrong thread for it. Maybe we can start a new one about what is going on at the pumps. That is a whole other can of worms. We'll leave this one to the original sad topic.

 

celtic

[Alexis]

You are so right.

[ElvisandTracey]

Phoenix-

Was on the Monarch twice in 2004, once in Jan., once in May, both times smelled like a rest stop bathroom-complained to the engineer, and we constantly saw crew running around with buckets and such, but the smell never went away-it faded over the 4 days, but never went away-I hate to say it, but this does not surprise me-this is the only RCI ship that I will never go on again,and it's too bad because I am from Los Angeles, and it takes me 15 minutes toget to the dock-and as I remember, I was on the 8th floor in Jan, the 3rd floor in May, and the lower floors smelled way worse...god only knows what the crew cabins smell like because they are so low in the ship-this is really horrible.

[flashdog_1]

post links only? why?

I assume it is to keep the length of the posts shorter, and therefore, to keep the system working up to capacity. We've had lots of "jammed" boards recently, and I've read the recommendation that we remove our lengthly list of past cruises, photos etc. in our signatures to keep it faster.

 

Compare it to a telegram message. The shorter it is the cheaper it is to send. ha

[Iamthesea]

Links only: It's a copyright issue.

 

I'm so sorry about this lastest tragedy. :(

[sally r]

We just got off the Monarch on Monday. It did smell awful. We were on deck 9 and they were constantly messing with the plumbing. Our toilet never quit but got real slow. The hallway would smell to high heaven now and then. Every afternoon the Schooner Bar on deck five would just reek of sewage. This poor little ship gets such heavy use and she is really showing it. The crew was so nice and we had a great time. It was our fourth cruise on the Monarch.

 

This is so tragic.

[BJane]

Although there are times that some humor is an appropriate thing, this thread does not seem to be one of them.

[Ericknow32]

Phoenix-

Was on the Monarch twice in 2004, once in Jan., once in May, both times smelled like a rest stop bathroom-complained to the engineer, and we constantly saw crew running around with buckets and such, but the smell never went away-it faded over the 4 days, but never went away-I hate to say it, but this does not surprise me-this is the only RCI ship that I will never go on again,and it's too bad because I am from Los Angeles, and it takes me 15 minutes toget to the dock-and as I remember, I was on the 8th floor in Jan, the 3rd floor in May, and the lower floors smelled way worse...god only knows what the crew cabins smell like because they are so low in the ship-this is really horrible.

I have never ever smelled sewage on the Monarch Of the Seas but honestly I have on most of the other ships I have sailed on. It tends to go away once we leave the home port.

 

It is a sad occurrence. The news story I heard said the people had no chance. They had to get out of the room in less then 30 seconds or they would die from gas asphyxiation.

[kenandlaura06]

Very sad. More sad news every day.

[gambit57]

Thanks to all who are posting updates, but please remember to post the links only.

 

I tired to on another thread, but this forum software won't let me. Does this program not work with Firefox? I can't copy and paste or use that little button of the world with the link.

[driftychick]

Monarch will sail tonight, may leave late but she will sail, investigation and repairs have been completed.

[kendall jackson]

Links only: It's a copyright issue.

 

I'm so sorry about this lastest tragedy. :(

 

copyright issue? i really don't think so. i have twenty years working in media. 13 at a major metropolitan daily in los angeles. (yeah, that one.) 4 at a USA national daily, and two years in broadcast news. copyright has nothing to do with it. i suspect it has more to do with brevity.

[Char]

Here is the latest.

Methane leak kills three cruise workers

 

TIM MOLLOY

 

Associated Press

 

LOS ANGELES - Three members of a cruise ship crew were killed by toxic sewer gas Friday as they repaired a waste pipe aboard the ship that had just returned to the Port of Los Angeles.

 

No passengers were injured, but 19 other crew members from Royal Caribbean's Monarch of the Seas were examined for possible exposure to the toxic gas, authorities said.

 

Passengers were leaving the ship at the time of the incident, the company said.

 

Officials first identified the gas as methane but later determined it was hydrogen sulfide, which occurs in sewage, said Barbara Yu, a supervising hazardous-materials specialist for the Los Angeles County Fire Department.

 

The three crew members probably died within 30 seconds of encountering the gas, Yu said.

 

"It deadens your sense of smell so you don't even smell it," she said.

 

....rest of article snipped for brevity

 

[GMCOLT]

I have worked in safety and health for 25 year including 12 with OSHA. This is what is known as a confined space entry. When entering these spaces one shall test the air using an instrument that costs around $1500.

Sewer gas will displace oxygen and kill employees entering very quickly. However, the fact that one could smell sewre smells on a given deck does not reflect on air quality as the "odor" can be detected far below dangerous levels. Many times when I worked for OSHA there was smell, but my equipment measured safe levels.

It is clear there was work in an area that meets the definition of a confined space and procedures were not followed or the testing device failed.