PurpleCow Posted September 10, 2005 #1 Share Posted September 10, 2005 For those who were wondering about the recent instructions that we must not smile in passpprt photos, I've just, by accident discovered the reason. There's a small article in my local newspaper today that explains that the new biometric passports will have small computer chips imbedded in them. The photo will be on that chip, as well as other information. Apparently the photo can't be scanned properly if the person is smiling. We will also have to remove our glasses, take off head coverings, not raise our eyebrows, and pin back our hair off our faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani24 Posted September 10, 2005 #2 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Did it say when this is to go into effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Posted September 10, 2005 #3 Share Posted September 10, 2005 For those who were wondering about the recent instructions that we must not smile in passpprt photos, I've just, by accident discovered the reason. There's a small article in my local newspaper today that explains that the new biometric passports will have small computer chips imbedded in them. The photo will be on that chip, as well as other information. Apparently the photo can't be scanned properly if the person is smiling. We will also have to remove our glasses, take off head coverings, not raise our eyebrows, and pin back our hair off our faces. That sounds a little extreme! I have always smiled for my passport photo and don't know if I can face a camera and NOT smile :p We just got our's renewed in January, so I won't have to worry about it for another 9 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnql Posted September 11, 2005 #4 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Here's what's posted on the State Dept's web site. For now, it seems that wearing eyeglasses is fine. And since it says that they want the "full face" of the person, it's probably interpreted as meaning that long hair should be pulled/pinned back. What pose should the photos show? The photo should show a clear, front view, full face of the customer. The customer should be in normal street attire, without hat or dark glasses against a plain white or off-white background. The customer should have a natural expression, mouth closed, and eyes open and looking directly ahead. Can hats or religious headgear be worn for the photo? Unless worn daily for religious reasons, all hats or headgear should be removed for the photo. In all cases, no item or attire should cover or otherwise obscure any part of the face. Can eyeglasses be worn for the photo? Eyeglasses worn on a daily basis can be worn for the photo. However, there should be no reflections from the eyeglasses that obscures the eyes. Can sunglasses or tinted glasses be worn? Dark glasses or nonprescription glasses with tinted lenses are not acceptable unless you need them for medical reasons. A medical certificate may be required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just4kixx Posted September 11, 2005 #5 Share Posted September 11, 2005 We just had our pictures taken and applied for passports last month. The photographer told us about the "no smile" rule. My 12yo special-needs son CANNOT look at a camera and not smile!!!:eek: It was aweful! I had to threaten him just to make him mad so he wouldn't smile! It only sortof worked. You should see what expression we ended up taking. I'm waiting to hear back from the passport authorities that the picture is not acceptable :rolleyes: Perhaps we'll be okay because the new chips aren't being placed in the passports yet. One can only hope! A~:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger_77 Posted September 11, 2005 #6 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Up here in the "frozen tundra" we've had the no-smile rule for the past couple of years when applying for a passport. Sure, it makes us all look like corpses with our eyes open, but if that's what it takes to get through security and make everyone safer, so be it! Smooth Sailing! :) :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzincurt Posted September 11, 2005 #7 Share Posted September 11, 2005 My passport shows me with a full beard, now I am without. Think that will be a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sillyjilly Posted September 11, 2005 #8 Share Posted September 11, 2005 We just took our first passport pictures and we both smiled. I hope that doesn't delay the process. :( Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladycaveat Posted September 11, 2005 #9 Share Posted September 11, 2005 For those who were wondering about the recent instructions that we must not smile in passpprt photos, I've just, by accident discovered the reason. There's a small article in my local newspaper today that explains that the new biometric passports will have small computer chips imbedded in them. The photo will be on that chip, as well as other information. Apparently the photo can't be scanned properly if the person is smiling. We will also have to remove our glasses, take off head coverings, not raise our eyebrows, and pin back our hair off our faces. Too funny . . . I've had a passport for the past nearly forty years (was a flight attendant in the 60's, 70's and 80's) . . . have traveled all over the world. My current passport . . . not only am I smiling (how can one look at a camera and not smile) but I'm also wearing a wig (bad hair day). I've used my current passport to travel to Europe several times and on my past two cruises (the last one being in April 2005). The only time I have ever had a problem was sometime in the early 70's . . . a girlfriend and I were on a train going from Paris to Berlin. We had to go through East Berlin to get to West Berlin (prior to the "Wall" coming down) . . . the train was stopped in the middle of the night as three big, mean German officers went from cabin to cabin. :eek: All I remember was them looking at our pictures in our passports and looking at us (with our hair in roller and no make-up) and going "nye nye" or whatever . . . took forever to convince them that we really were the girls in our passports. I know that after 9/11, things are different but as long as one has a passport and a driver's license or some other form of pictured ID . . . you'll have no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLioness Posted September 12, 2005 #10 Share Posted September 12, 2005 You can smile in your passport photo... In fact, the word smile does not even turn up any search results on the fed's site. So, smile away! Here's a link o the US government site for getting our fist passport. http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani24 Posted September 12, 2005 #11 Share Posted September 12, 2005 It says "natural expression" with "mouth closed" on the State Depts website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLioness Posted September 12, 2005 #12 Share Posted September 12, 2005 It says "natural expression" with "mouth closed" on the State Depts websitedon't mean to be anal, but still doesn't say not to smile.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani24 Posted September 12, 2005 #13 Share Posted September 12, 2005 don't mean to be anal, but still doesn't say not to smile.... Well, if you want to play the semantics game, you're right. But not smiling is implied by the "natural expression" and "mouth closed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy_bc Posted September 12, 2005 #14 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Here in Canada, there is a "no smile" rule. Two years ago when my hubby and I got our passports, we kind of laughed at my hubby's terrible photo. He was getting over a cold, and he has just this blank look. I have a slight smile. My hubby's passport was mailed to him right away. Mine took another two weeks. We signed up at the exact same time, so we were wondering if it took longer because I didn't follow the "no smile" rule? We heard that they request that because when you are using your passport, you are not smiling, you are normally just looking at them, so that's the face they want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiebob Posted September 13, 2005 #15 Share Posted September 13, 2005 :D I smiled when I had my passport photo taken two years ago--it is a big smile too! My DH didn't smile but we both had our passports processed at the same time without any problem. I have been through US customs twice since then and no one said anything to me (thank goodness). Maybe I was smiling at them and they recognized me! ;) Hopefully there won't be a problem when we fly to SanJuan next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger_77 Posted September 14, 2005 #16 Share Posted September 14, 2005 If your passports show photos with smiling faces, don't worry, you can still continue to use them without a problem. However, when you do go to renew them, you'll find that the people taking the photos ( we aren't allowed to use our own digital photos up here in Canada, they have to be taken by an approved photo centre), you will be told that you can not smile for the picture, nor can you have an all white shirt without any contrasting clothing (our son had to put on DH's leather jacket to provide contrast to his white shirt and tie). Enjoy your smiling passport photo while you have it! Smooth Sailing! :) :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirthmaiden Posted September 15, 2005 #17 Share Posted September 15, 2005 you will be told that you can not smile for the picture, nor can you have an all white shirt without any contrasting clothing I am not an authority about passports, nor am I Canadian, but I recently had my passport photo taken at a photo speciality shop (where they do LOTS of passport photos). I was smiling and wearing an all-white blouse. The photographer never said a word about either, and the passport agency cashed my check a couple of days ago. Their website says my passport should arrive in a few weeks, so I assume that all is fine with the photos. I'm not sure, but wouldn't they include that information in the instructions about photos on the passport application if it were true?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakalina Posted September 15, 2005 #18 Share Posted September 15, 2005 The new rules and regs are because the new biometrics use facial measurements of detailed facial structure. This is a fairly new post 9/11 rule. You can change the way you look but you can't change your bone structure. Trisha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger_77 Posted September 15, 2005 #19 Share Posted September 15, 2005 mirthmaiden: Here in Canada we haven't been able to smile in our passport photos for about a year. DH and I renewed our passports before our cruise in June/04 and have the straight-ahead-stare-into-the-camera look because the regulations here state no smiling. (God forbid we should enjoy our passport photo-taking session! :D ) We also have regulations about having clothing that helps provide contrast against the skin - apparently an all-white shirt or blouse fades out the contours of the face in the photos. Just a few of the things we have to deal with up here in the "frozen tundra"! I know different countries have different requirements for passports - including how long they are good for ... yours have to be renewed every 10 years, while we have to renew ours every 5 years. Smooth Sailing! :) :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohestu Posted September 16, 2005 #20 Share Posted September 16, 2005 News article on Biometric Passports in Germany. http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1120&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20050915%2F2139755298.htm&sc=1120 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayce Posted September 16, 2005 #21 Share Posted September 16, 2005 In Canada we have a no smile rule. My picture was rejected because they felt I was sorta smiling, the lady at the office said it looked like a "smirk". :rolleyes: I had to have the picture re-done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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