Anyone else like Carnival because of Adult Only areas?

[John Reid]

I raised four kids and worked with thousands over the years at work. I love kids but on vacation, Its nice to get away from them. Especially the current crop of kids, huge difference in behavior of kids the same age just ten years ago.

 

Hate them? Nope. Prefer to be away from them at times? Yup. Dont assume that people hate kids just because they don't prefer to be around them.

 

Exactly.

[Sweet Dutch Girl]

So the parents, who you raised, of the kids now a days are the problem. Makes perfect sense.

[loxley]

So the parents, who you raised, of the kids now a days are the problem. Makes perfect sense.

I don't know why you are having such a hard time understanding the concept.

 

Let me give you an example of kids I want to avoid at all cost.

 

I was staying in a very nice hotel on the third floor at the back. One evening I got a call from the desk asking if I was having trouble with kids. I said no. A day or two later I am leaving my room and a family of four steps out just a ways down the hall. I allowed t down to give them a few seconds head start. Two kids jumped and tried to touch every picture. They rattled every doorknob, clicked the door knocker or jumped to try to see in the peephole. I slowed right down because I did not want to even ride the elevator with them. There were all kinds of things to pay with in the elevator.

 

I do not even think the parents walking behind them even noticed, paid attention or cared what was going on.

 

I can only imagine those kids in a place such as a cruise ship.

 

Unfortunately, when it all boils down, you cannot blame the children because of lack of guidance in the most basic of public skills. Walking down a hotel halfway.

 

So it had to go back to the parents.

 

I used to go to the movies between 5 & 6 on Sat. Whatever was on at that time, I watched it. I did it for years. There were often unattended children at those time and a word or two had to be said a couple of times. A manager called once in probably ten years.

 

I no longer go to the movies at that time anymore. If it is a kids show, you can't watch it. I talked to the manager about what I was seeing. He said things were bad to the point of finding10 years old engaged in sex.

 

I had kids to and I would never limp them all together, but the bad ones are beginning to tip the scale.

 

Another example, I am sitting in McDonald's parking lot, thru the window I see three young teens and a mom. There is practically a food fight going on at the table. Mom either doesn't care or has given up.

 

It is so sad.

 

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[BAV2005]

It comes down to the culture of entitlement that we unfortunately live in. I teach preschool and it's evident even at that age that the behavior standards and expectations set out by the parents are severely lacking. I can assure you that my children have been taught how to conduct themselves in public (and private for that matter) but I do understand why some people seem to cringe when we are seated near them in a restaurant. They are pleasantly surprised by the end of the meal :) And I am not someone who believes children should be seen and not heard, but they can behave appropriately!

[mumofsons]

First let me start with I love kids and this is just an observation not a complaint. We just got back from the Dream 10 day from Puerto Rico. I was surprised that there were kids swimming in the adults only area. No one seemed to mind and they weren't bothering anyone but their parents were sitting there. The first sea day a dad sat in Serenity and his son kept coming into the area to talk to him. Now he wasn't bothering anyone either - and I guess it's another example of people thinking the rules don't apply to them. The staff didn't seem to have a problem with either of these examples - but if everyone thought they could bring their kids in these areas - it wouldn't be the quiet area they advertise (serenity).

I can remember on our Hawaii cruise a man was sitting with his son at the adults only area on the Miracle - a man got all up in his face about it and they almost got into a physical altercation. The little boy was quiet I think eating his lunch and not bothering anyone in fact the man who made the fuss was annoying with his loud complaining. But again - if Carnival is going to make these areas adult only they should do a better job making sure they are that way. We enjoy these areas because we are spending time as a couple and were not the type to think we should bring our kids into an adult only area - and think people should respect them.

[Rottweiler Puppy]

So the parents, who you raised, of the kids now a days are the problem. Makes perfect sense.

 

I do not understand what you are getting at. Who raised their parents? What?

[JMAE]

We like Serenity but they need to replace the cushions.

[Smmessineo]

I'm so sorry , Aquahound ! I misread for-fee as for-free. And I read it twice before I posted back to you ...... I mustn't have cleaned my glasses that day. At least we've both informed people that Celebrity has great adult-only areas !

[nissach]

Oh please, unruly kids and parents who fail to keep thrm in control far outnumber adults who cause problems.

 

Totally agree!!

[nissach]

As Carnival moves more and more to the "family" on its cruises I expect to see less and less adult only areas...just my personal take on things. Also, cruising during weeks when "most" kids are in school means that adult areas are less likely to be "threatened" by children.

 

There are ways to ensure that you won't be surrounded by kids and families. Just "book" during those weeks or book the longer more expensive cruises. It's not rocket science.

 

Good common sense advice....however I cannot travel when kids are in school as I am also in school teaching those kids (which sucks for me).:(

I would then like Carnival to enforce there AO areas for travellers like me.

[nissach]

Have you sailed a Spirit class ship yet? The entire wide open aft pool deck is Serenity. That's where we park ourselves whenever we sail Pride, Legend, or Miracle. I wish all ships' Serenity decks had pools.

 

I'm not a child hater. I love children. We have two grown sons. I cannot wait to be a grandmother someday. I'm an educator and I am fortunate to spend my days with fifth and sixth graders. We cruise to escape New England winter weather AND children. All I ask is one week to not have a kid run into me, throw something at me, say something snarky to me. I am recharged upon our return and I feel that I am a better educator for it.

 

As a fellow educator, very well said!

[TaDaaa!]

Can't believe all the dislike for children that consumes this board. No wonder younger generations are so screwed up. Apparently adults hate them and their presence and they don't seem to want to keep those thoughts to themselves. Wonder if my parents and their friends disliked us as much.

 

No, the younger generation is screwed up because they never got a whooping, we handed out participation trophies, and everyone was special. Hogwash! :rolleyes:

 

Yes, there were many time your parents wished you weren't around but they are probably too nice to tell you they felt that way at times. But the OP isn't talking about their own kids but others so that's not comparing apples to apples.

Edited January 29, 2016 by TaDaaa!

[TaDaaa!]

I don't know why you are having such a hard time understanding the concept.

 

Let me give you an example of kids I want to avoid at all cost.

 

I was staying in a very nice hotel on the third floor at the back. One evening I got a call from the desk asking if I was having trouble with kids. I said no. A day or two later I am leaving my room and a family of four steps out just a ways down the hall. I allowed t down to give them a few seconds head start. Two kids jumped and tried to touch every picture. They rattled every doorknob, clicked the door knocker or jumped to try to see in the peephole. I slowed right down because I did not want to even ride the elevator with them. There were all kinds of things to pay with in the elevator.

 

I do not even think the parents walking behind them even noticed, paid attention or cared what was going on.

 

I can only imagine those kids in a place such as a cruise ship.

 

Unfortunately, when it all boils down, you cannot blame the children because of lack of guidance in the most basic of public skills. Walking down a hotel halfway.

 

So it had to go back to the parents.

 

I used to go to the movies between 5 & 6 on Sat. Whatever was on at that time, I watched it. I did it for years. There were often unattended children at those time and a word or two had to be said a couple of times. A manager called once in probably ten years.

 

I no longer go to the movies at that time anymore. If it is a kids show, you can't watch it. I talked to the manager about what I was seeing. He said things were bad to the point of finding10 years old engaged in sex.

 

I had kids to and I would never limp them all together, but the bad ones are beginning to tip the scale.

 

Another example, I am sitting in McDonald's parking lot, thru the window I see three young teens and a mom. There is practically a food fight going on at the table. Mom either doesn't care or has given up.

 

It is so sad.

 

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Future choggers, smugglers, and line breakers. :(

[Cruzaholic41]

I work at a community college. Huge difference in the type of student we saw in 2000 and the type of student we see in 2016 - and it is not good.

 

Yep. The military is seeing the same thing right now. More and more youngsters are having problems because for the first time in their lives, they are learning they can't always have their way. 20 years old is waaaay too old to be told "no" for the first time.

[Sweet Dutch Girl]

Everyone keeps "talking" about the horrible things kids do...what about adults.

 

The lady who berates every Carnival employee because she isn't getting her way.

 

The adults who leave their messes for everyone else to clean up.

 

The adults who crash lines, save places in line for their groups to enter later.

 

Adults who chair hog, save seats in the entertainment venues, are loud and obnoxious during shows. Those who park their scooters in hallways, stack their room service trays in hallways, stand in front of doors having conversations, push over people as they rush onto tenders. Those who smoke where ever they darn well please. What about those who find a hot tub and don't leave it all day and have their own "private" parties. Those who rush into elevators never thinking to hold the doors open for disabled passengers or parent's with small children and strollers. Those who drink themselves into a stupor on port days and throw up half a dozen times in public areas. Women who reek of perfume and sweat and moth balls who you end up sitting next to in the MDR. Adults with no table manners who burp and slurp their way through dinner. People who hog three slot machines in the casino when it is packed to the brim and others can't find a spot to play.

 

And I'm only getting started.

[John Reid]

Everyone keeps "talking" about the horrible things kids do...what about adults.

 

The lady who berates every Carnival employee because she isn't getting her way.

 

The adults who leave their messes for everyone else to clean up.

 

The adults who crash lines, save places in line for their groups to enter later.

 

Adults who chair hog, save seats in the entertainment venues, are loud and obnoxious during shows. Those who park their scooters in hallways, stack their room service trays in hallways, stand in front of doors having conversations, push over people as they rush onto tenders. Those who smoke where ever they darn well please. What about those who find a hot tub and don't leave it all day and have their own "private" parties. Those who rush into elevators never thinking to hold the doors open for disabled passengers or parent's with small children and strollers. Those who drink themselves into a stupor on port days and throw up half a dozen times in public areas. Women who reek of perfume and sweat and moth balls who you end up sitting next to in the MDR. Adults with no table manners who burp and slurp their way through dinner. People who hog three slot machines in the casino when it is packed to the brim and others can't find a spot to play.

 

And I'm only getting started.

 

Oh, do continue the list.

 

Can you take the time to explain why reminding us all of the potential poor behavior of some adults negates the poor behavior of some children? Both exist. Some choose to avoid one group by never booking during college spring break or short cruises. Some avoid school holidays.

 

Your "argument" is akin to the child caught breaking windows and tells his mother, "Bobby did it, too."

 

Why must you regularly make things a confrontation of personal choice?

 

Distort and attack.

[Rottweiler Puppy]

Everyone keeps "talking" about the horrible things kids do...what about adults.

 

The lady who berates every Carnival employee because she isn't getting her way.

 

The adults who leave their messes for everyone else to clean up.

 

The adults who crash lines, save places in line for their groups to enter later.

 

Adults who chair hog, save seats in the entertainment venues, are loud and obnoxious during shows. Those who park their scooters in hallways, stack their room service trays in hallways, stand in front of doors having conversations, push over people as they rush onto tenders. Those who smoke where ever they darn well please. What about those who find a hot tub and don't leave it all day and have their own "private" parties. Those who rush into elevators never thinking to hold the doors open for disabled passengers or parent's with small children and strollers. Those who drink themselves into a stupor on port days and throw up half a dozen times in public areas. Women who reek of perfume and sweat and moth balls who you end up sitting next to in the MDR. Adults with no table manners who burp and slurp their way through dinner. People who hog three slot machines in the casino when it is packed to the brim and others can't find a spot to play.

 

And I'm only getting started.

 

Thread is about kids, not idiotic adults.

[Sweet Dutch Girl]

Thread is about kids, not idiotic adults.

 

No its not...its about adult's only areas populated with adults (who often act like children). People are pointing out that they "need" an area to get away from little ankle biters and I am only pointing out that they are trading one perceived problem for one which is often more obnoxious.

[John Reid]

No its not...its about adult's only areas populated with adults (who often act like children). People are pointing out that they "need" an area to get away from little ankle biters and I am only pointing out that they are trading one perceived problem for one which is often more obnoxious.

 

And you tend to point it out ad nauseam.

Why can't people just do what they prefer? Why do people have to do what you prefer?

[BellaSweet]

I kinda like kids. Sometimes. I've chosen not to have them yet because I'm selfish right now in my life.

 

My upcoming cruise will be on the Pride so I am looking forward to experiencing the Serenity area. It sounds nice and calm..two things that I didn't experience on my only other cruise.

 

You don't have to like kids to be a good person. People are so horrified when they hear someone say they don't like kids.

[Cruzaholic41]

Everyone keeps "talking" about the horrible things kids do...what about adults.

 

No problem. The adults you described sound a lot like today's participation-award parents who are raising the self-entitled little brats.

[nissach]

No problem. The adults you described sound a lot like today's participation-award parents who are raising the self-entitled little brats.

 

Good one!

[nissach]

No its not...its about adult's only areas populated with adults (who often act like children). People are pointing out that they "need" an area to get away from little ankle biters and I am only pointing out that they are trading one perceived problem for one which is often more obnoxious.

 

Not sure what kind of cruises you have been on...obviously ones with a lot bad behaving adults.

My experience has been that some kids behave poorly and their parents let them beahve that way because it is easier to ignore it than to address it. And if another adult tries to speak to those chilldren about their bad behavior, those same parents are insulted and angry at you for speaking to their children.

[nissach]

I kinda like kids. Sometimes. I've chosen not to have them yet because I'm selfish right now in my life.

 

My upcoming cruise will be on the Pride so I am looking forward to experiencing the Serenity area. It sounds nice and calm..two things that I didn't experience on my only other cruise.

 

You don't have to like kids to be a good person. People are so horrified when they hear someone say they don't like kids.

 

Very true....I like kids...I teach 23 10 & 11 year every day. Could not do that job if I did not like kids. However, when on vacation, or just out at the mall, grocery store, I want children to behave appropriately and if they don't I want their parents to address the problem. You chose to have kids so parent them!

[TaDaaa!]

Everyone keeps "talking" about the horrible things kids do...what about adults.

 

The lady who berates every Carnival employee because she isn't getting her way.

 

The adults who leave their messes for everyone else to clean up.

 

The adults who crash lines, save places in line for their groups to enter later.

 

Adults who chair hog, save seats in the entertainment venues, are loud and obnoxious during shows. Those who park their scooters in hallways, stack their room service trays in hallways, stand in front of doors having conversations, push over people as they rush onto tenders. Those who smoke where ever they darn well please. What about those who find a hot tub and don't leave it all day and have their own "private" parties. Those who rush into elevators never thinking to hold the doors open for disabled passengers or parent's with small children and strollers. Those who drink themselves into a stupor on port days and throw up half a dozen times in public areas. Women who reek of perfume and sweat and moth balls who you end up sitting next to in the MDR. Adults with no table manners who burp and slurp their way through dinner. People who hog three slot machines in the casino when it is packed to the brim and others can't find a spot to play.

 

And I'm only getting started.

 

Agreed. Kick them off the ship as well. But poor adult behavoir doesn't excuse poor child behavoir in the slightest. :D

Edited January 29, 2016 by TaDaaa!