HBE4 Posted December 5, 2018 #251 Share Posted December 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said: Again missing the point! T+C are very clear you have to play them once.... not over and over again! 😡 Has nothing to do with feelings... but as long as passengers will let them.... they will take advantage and earn more and more by taking advantage of the passengers that will let them screw them over..... 🙄 Where is the scam? You said yourself, you need to play the promo dollars, not lost them. So I put $1,000 in promo dollars on Red, hit, the dealer gives me $1,000. I now have "played thru" the $1,000 promo dollars and can walk away with $2,000. I'l take that scam every time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #252 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, HBE4 said: Where is the scam? You said yourself, you need to play the promo dollars, not lost them. So I put $1,000 in promo dollars on Red, hit, the dealer gives me $1,000. I now have "played thru" the $1,000 promo dollars and can walk away with $2,000. I'l take that scam every time! You only walk away with $1000 and you PAID $1000 - you won NOTHING! But it seems many people do not even get that They are a multibillion $ company and can not draft very clear T+C? If it is coffee shots or gambling -> their T+C are crap - their managemet is either stupid or very clever because they know their passengers are stupid! How stupid is that? But I guess many of their passengers are as stupid...that is why they get away with it! Edited December 5, 2018 by Thorben-Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted December 5, 2018 #253 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Very strange that they are paying out differently on slots vs tables. slots, play through once and able to cash out tables, play your promo chips until you lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolimits Posted December 5, 2018 #254 Share Posted December 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, HBE4 said: Where is the scam? You said yourself, you need to play the promo dollars, not lost them. So I put $1,000 in promo dollars on Red, hit, the dealer gives me $1,000. I now have "played thru" the $1,000 promo dollars and can walk away with $2,000. I'l take that scam every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceBearFloats Posted December 5, 2018 #255 Share Posted December 5, 2018 @HBE4 minus thats a really bad money management strategy there .. you could just put $1000 of non promotional chips on all the time and 2x your money every time ... much better than that lame 20% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolimits Posted December 5, 2018 #256 Share Posted December 5, 2018 You get 1000$ and 1000promo non cashable back after win So you played thru but you still can’t cash promo chips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #257 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Host Clarea said: However, the devil is in the details. I think they should pay both the amount wagered and the winnings in real chips. That is what EVERY decent casino does! You will NEVER find something like this in Vegas!👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted December 5, 2018 #258 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, nolimits said: You get 1000$ and 1000promo non cashable back after win So you played thru but you still can’t cash promo chips It seems to me that if you risk the promo chips once, they should be converted to real chips. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBE4 Posted December 5, 2018 #259 Share Posted December 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said: You only walk away with $1000 and you PAID $1000 - you won NOTHING! But it seems many people do not even get that They are a multibillion $ company and can not draft very clear T+C? If it is coffee shots or gambling the T+C are crap - their managemet is either stupid or very clever because they know their passengers are stupid! How stupid is that? But I guess many of their passengers are as stupid...that is why they get away with it! I guess it's the T+C I'm struggling with. Every time I read it, I come to a different conclusion. I bet if I call RCI 3 times for clarification, I'll get 3 different answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #260 Share Posted December 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, nolimits said: You get 1000$ and 1000promo non cashable back after win So you played thru but you still can’t cash promo chips They are such slobs!👎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #261 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, HBE4 said: I guess it's the T+C I'm struggling with. Every time I read it, I come to a different conclusion. I bet if I call RCI 3 times for clarification, I'll get 3 different answers. They are a MULTI BILLION $ company...so it is save to assume they WANT their customers to struggle -> to take advantage of them!👎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBE4 Posted December 5, 2018 #262 Share Posted December 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: Very strange that they are paying out differently on slots vs tables. slots, play through once and able to cash out tables, play your promo chips until you lose. It is strange. Apparently, I'm confusing the slots T&C with tables T&C. Let me go back and re-read them one more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBE4 Posted December 5, 2018 #263 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Host Clarea said: It seems to me that if you risk the promo chips once, they should be converted to real chips. Agreed! EDIT: Then again, I'm more of a slot guy than a table guy. Edited December 5, 2018 by HBE4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #264 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, HBE4 said: Agreed! That is also what the T+C say - if they are worded pooly - a judge will always hold that against the Billion $ company because the KNOW better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted December 5, 2018 #265 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, HBE4 said: It is strange. Apparently, I'm confusing the slots T&C with tables T&C. Let me go back and re-read them one more time. What I posted is how those on board have described the payouts. The terms and conditions read different for the tables but Roysl is not following that or are interpreting it differently than most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #266 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: What I posted is how those on board have described the payouts. The terms and conditions read different for the tables but Roysl is not following that or are interpreting it differently than most Hope they get into trouble.....someone should take this to court or to the press..... Coffee shots, gambling T+C they know their customers are sucker! Didn't their CEO even state that?🤔 Edited December 5, 2018 by Thorben-Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBE4 Posted December 5, 2018 #267 Share Posted December 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: What I posted is how those on board have described the payouts. The terms and conditions read different for the tables but Roysl is not following that or are interpreting it differently than most Ah, got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Crab Posted December 5, 2018 #268 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Thorben-Hendrik said: Again missing the point! T+C are very clear you have to play them once.... not over and over again! 😡 Has nothing to do with feelings... but as long as passengers will let them.... they will take advantage and earn more and more by taking advantage of the passengers that will let them screw them over..... 🙄 The T& C states they must played through and are not redeemable for cash. Period. RCI doesn't care what you do with the chips. Play them once, don't play them, give them out to your buddies for ball markers on the golf course all they care. You won't be given cash for them, that's all they care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #269 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Missimg the point again! No wonder RCI gets away with their pooly worded T+C.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Crab Posted December 5, 2018 #270 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Host Clarea said: sorry quoted when I didn't want to! What is your point?? I don't want to reread the whole thread! Edited December 5, 2018 by Drunken Crab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted December 5, 2018 #271 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Drunken Crab said: What is your point?? I don't want to reread the whole thread! I did not post what you attributed to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Crab Posted December 5, 2018 #272 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I know, I clicked your "quote" button and was answering Thorben. I went back and edited the quote (your quote) saying I was quoting you when I didn't mean to.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Crab Posted December 5, 2018 #273 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) I'm trying to figure out the point I'm missing per Thorben.. Looking through his posts, he/she is saying the T&C says the chips must be played once. It doesn't say that. It says they are issues once (given a big stack of chips), but says they must be played through and not redeemable for cash. Meaning, you can't get handed the stack from the cage do a 360 and demand the chips be changed into cash. At this point, after getting the chips from the cage, RCI doesn't care what you do with them. It's not their problem. Walk out to the back of the ship and throw them in the water, they don't care they are your chips to do as you please. But, if you want to use them in their casino, you can. But they won't be redeemable for cash. That's all the T&C has to say. "If I win you should give me my winning chip and replace my promo with a real chip"... Can't do that, chips are not redeemable for cash, look at our T&C. Edited December 5, 2018 by Drunken Crab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #274 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Drunken Crab said: they must be played through That is done by placing them ONCE! Else the wording HAS to be different! Again your reaction shows - the RCI customers are suckers that accept that kind of scam-> so I can not really blame RCI for doing what they do!👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted December 5, 2018 #275 Share Posted December 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Drunken Crab said: Meaning, you can't get handed the stack from the cage do a 360 and demand the chips be changed into cash. You really don't get it!🤔 I strongly suspect you are just playing stupid....👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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