Florida wins so Carnival can sail with kids

[TooManyWakeUpsTilWeSail]

2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Contractors aren't employees of a company. But you continue to argue about something irrelevant to foreign flagged cruise ships.

There’s more holes in his last couple posts than Swiss cheese.  So I stopped replying.

[BlerkOne]

16 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

 

Actually no, it wasn't fine and there are plenty of CC threads blasting that proposal. Seems some people are fine with discriminating against a group of people as long as it isn't them being discriminated against.

Discrimination isn't illegal unless it involves a protected class.

[lobster1313]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

Contractors aren't employees of a company. But you continue to argue about something irrelevant to foreign flagged cruise ships.

The ships may be flagged outside the US but the payments are done in the US by a business who's operations are done in Florida.

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, MamallamaAndDaddy said:

What does that have anything to do with?

You would have to ask the person arguing about healthcare.

[AtSeaWithChris]

1 minute ago, regoodwinjr said:

The ships may be flagged outside the US but the payments are done in the US by a business who's operations are done in Florida.

What does this have to do with anything? 

[lobster1313]

1 minute ago, TooManyWakeUpsTilWeSail said:

There’s more holes in his last couple posts than Swiss cheese.  So I stopped replying.

 

Please point them out with an example of a business that has required a customer to have a medical treatment to use their business.

[BlerkOne]

Just now, regoodwinjr said:

The ships may be flagged outside the US but the payments are done in the US by a business who's operations are done in Florida.

The operations are world-wide, and Carnival is not exclusively a US business entity, much less Florida.

[lobster1313]

8 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Contractors aren't employees of a company. But you continue to argue about something irrelevant to foreign flagged cruise ships.

 

2 minutes ago, MamallamaAndDaddy said:

What does this have to do with anything? 

 

[BlerkOne]

4 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

 

Please point them out with an example of a business that has required a customer to have a medical treatment to use their business.

Many businesses exclude customers with medical needs. Many still require temperature checks to enter.

Edited June 20, 2021 by BlerkOne

[SRQbeachgirl]

6 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Discrimination isn't illegal unless it involves a protected class.

 

I am perfectly aware of discrimination laws. Seems the point of my post was lost on some.

[TooManyWakeUpsTilWeSail]

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[skridge]

42 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

Cruise lines have never required proof of vaccination or proof of good health to cruise in the Caribbean.  There have always been contagious diseases.

Over 600k people have not died in the last 18 months in the United States of Norovirus or whatever other contagious diseases you are referring.

[lobster1313]

Just now, BlerkOne said:

Many businesses exclude customers with medical needs. Many still require temperature checks yo enter.

Those are screening protocols not a medical treatment or a vaccine.

[skridge]

6 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

 

Please point them out with an example of a business that has required a customer to have a medical treatment to use their business.

I think the real problem is there is not a business you can use to compare to the cruise industry.  No other industry has a group of people contained in a fairly tight spice for 7 days eating, drinking, dancing, singing, gambling, and laughing in a Comedy Club.  All of these activities are easy spreaders of the virus.  The All inclusive resort is the only thing that kind of compares to it.

[BlerkOne]

10 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

Those are screening protocols not a medical treatment or a vaccine.

Proof of vaccination is a screening protocol.

[arkaine23]

1 hour ago, TNcruising02 said:

This is a link to the executive order.  Some may think it is pandering and others believe it is anti-discrimination based on private health information.  Since there is no federal vaccine passport, each state gets to decide what is best for their residents. That is a good thing.  People who want more government control are free to live in the strictest states.  People who want less are free to live in states without strict restrictions.  Freedom to choose is a good thing.

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/EO-21-81.pdf

For those who think this is some kind of invasion on their privacy, how's it feel in an international airport trying to fly to a country that requires proof of the vaccine?  Florida's law is no protection from that.

 

You'd think a cruise port would be the same, but it isn't.

Edited June 20, 2021 by arkaine23

[SRQbeachgirl]

1 minute ago, skridge said:

I think the real problem is there is not a business you can use to compare to the cruise industry.  No other industry has a group of people contained in a fairly tight spice for 7 days eating, drinking, dancing, singing, gambling, and laughing in a Comedy Club.  All of these activities are easy spreaders of the virus.  The All inclusive resort is the only thing that kind of compares to it.

 

Amtrak Vacation trains. A couple hundred people confined to a small space for 7 days, eating in the same dining cars, drinking in the lounge car, sleeping inches from each other in the Economy Class seats, getting on charter busses together to go on excursions...all without having to show proof of vaccinations or be tested. 

 

The biggest difference between a week-long Amtrak vacation and a cruise ship, besides the number of people, is that cruise ships have lots of outdoor spaces, private balconies, and large indoor spaces, where as on an Amtrak train you are sitting in a tiny enclosed space for hours and hours and hours with no outside venues.  

[AtSeaWithChris]

2 minutes ago, skridge said:

I think the real problem is there is not a business you can use to compare to the cruise industry.  No other industry has a group of people contained in a fairly tight spice for 7 days eating, drinking, dancing, singing, gambling, and laughing in a Comedy Club.  All of these activities are easy spreaders of the virus.  The All inclusive resort is the only thing that kind of compares to it.

What about the military? Are they required to wear masks? I know a large percentage are not vaccinated. What are their positive results? How have they handled it onboard their subs and across the fleet? merchant marine vessels? The cruise industry is not being treated the same. Those dollars were crucial for the local economies.

[lobster1313]

Just now, BlerkOne said:

Proof of vaccination is a screening protocol.

Which can be used to deny service which is the reason for the Florida law. 

[AtSeaWithChris]

2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Proof of vaccination is a screening protocol.

never done for cruising before covid.

[arkaine23]

9 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

 

Amtrak Vacation trains. A couple hundred people confined to a small space for 7 days, eating in the same dining cars, drinking in the lounge car, sleeping inches from each other in the Economy Class seats, getting on charter busses together to go on excursions...all without having to show proof of vaccinations or be tested. 

 

The biggest difference between a week-long Amtrak vacation and a cruise ship, besides the number of people, is that cruise ships have lots of outdoor spaces, private balconies, and large indoor spaces, where as on an Amtrak train you are sitting in a tiny enclosed space for hours and hours and hours with no outside venues.  

There aren't 3000-6000 people on any train.  A train trip across the US doesn't take a week.  The train doesn't stop in a foreign county with low vaccination availability to let its passengers off for half a day.  Masks are required on trains.

Edited June 20, 2021 by arkaine23

[AtSeaWithChris]

3 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

 

Amtrak Vacation trains. A couple hundred people confined to a small space for 7 days, eating in the same dining cars, drinking in the lounge car, sleeping inches from each other in the Economy Class seats, getting on charter busses together to go on excursions...all without having to show proof of vaccinations or be tested. 

 

The biggest difference between a week-long Amtrak vacation and a cruise ship, besides the number of people, is that cruise ships have lots of outdoor spaces, private balconies, and large indoor spaces, where as on an Amtrak train you are sitting in a tiny enclosed space for hours and hours and hours with no outside venues.  

yes, the people that are on for 7 or more days are in daily contact for hours of people coming and going from the train at stops.

[TNcruising02]

4 minutes ago, arkaine23 said:

For those who think this is some kind of invasion on their privacy, how's it feel in an international airport trying to fly to a country that requires proof of the vaccine?  Florida's law is no protection from that.

 

You'd think a cruise port would be the same, but it isn't.

 Do the ports that Carnival’s ships are sailing to only allow vaccinated people to visit? 

[TooManyWakeUpsTilWeSail]

6 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

 

Amtrak Vacation trains. A couple hundred people confined to a small space for 7 days, eating in the same dining cars, drinking in the lounge car, sleeping inches from each other in the Economy Class seats, getting on charter busses together to go on excursions...all without having to show proof of vaccinations or be tested. 

 

The biggest difference between a week-long Amtrak vacation and a cruise ship, besides the number of people, is that cruise ships have lots of outdoor spaces, private balconies, and large indoor spaces, where as on an Amtrak train you are sitting in a tiny enclosed space for hours and hours and hours with no outside venues.  

You left this little detail out:

Federal law and Amtrak policy require all customers and employees to wear a mask or covering that fully covers the entire mouth and nose, fits snugly against the side of the face, and secures under the chin at all times while onboard trains and in stations, regardless of vaccination status or state or local laws

[AtSeaWithChris]

6 minutes ago, arkaine23 said:

For those who think this is some kind of invasion on their privacy, how's it feel in an international airport trying to fly to a country that requires proof of the vaccine?  Florida's law is no protection from that.

 

You'd think a cruise port would be the same, but it isn't.

That's true. Other countries will have their requirements