Conditional sailing order lifting

[hometoosoon]

Just saw that the CDC is lifting the conditional sailing order Jan 15. Will that mean anything to upcoming cruises?

[binro01]

It means the d is getting out of the cruise monitoring business. They will still provide travel guidance to the population, but none of it is binding.

 

The cruise lines will police themselves and come up with their own health protocols. They will be bound to the ports of call's government requirements to disembark passengers.

 

My guess is that things will continue as they have been for quite some time till the lines feel its in their business interests and liability protection to lax their current health protocols.

[Tolkmit]

14 minutes ago, binro01 said:

The cruise lines will police themselves and come up with their own health protocols.

 

This isn't entirely accurate. What the CDC has said is that participation will become voluntary. So some cruise lines may decide to come up with their own, but they will also have the option to continue working with the CDC and following their guidelines.

[chengkp75]

6 hours ago, Tolkmit said:

 

This isn't entirely accurate. What the CDC has said is that participation will become voluntary. So some cruise lines may decide to come up with their own, but they will also have the option to continue working with the CDC and following their guidelines.

And the USCG, with guidance from CBP and CDC, will continue to be able to deny access to US ports for ships that the CDC feels could pose a serious threat to public health.  That is the "stick" holding the "carrot" of voluntary CSO compliance.

[SRF]

Hmm, since the overall US rate is 1.5%, it would be hard to say that a ship with a 1.2% rate would be a serious threat to public health. Unless CDC is worried that the overall rate would go DOWN. 😄

 

[chengkp75]

5 minutes ago, SRF said:

Hmm, since the overall US rate is 1.5%, it would be hard to say that a ship with a 1.2% rate would be a serious threat to public health. Unless CDC is worried that the overall rate would go DOWN. 😄

 

Or, if the cruise line decided to abandon most mitigation methods, as they would be voluntary and costly, and had an outbreak well above the national average.

[Karaboudjan]

CSO or not there is still a big issue with ships being turned away from ports, so as long as they still have a threshold of cases to make port calls I don't see the cruise lines backing off much if at all on their mitigations.

[jonj]

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/6693/?et_cid%3D3507871%26et_rid%3D17120571%26et_referrer%3DPopunder&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1642115748396000&usg=AOvVaw0qEo1t8WvZFHS4WENpsaea

 

Addtionally, case thresholds were set at 0.1% under the current CSO but will rise to 0.3% in the new voluntary program.

[SRF]

On 1/12/2022 at 8:51 AM, chengkp75 said:

Or, if the cruise line decided to abandon most mitigation methods, as they would be voluntary and costly, and had an outbreak well above the national average.

My post was somewhat tongue in cheek.

 

The whole testing to travel is insane.  It makes sense to keep a disease out of a certain country, but COVID is everywhere.