No Children in Adult Areas!!!

[beachchick]

Of course they market to all, why would they not? There are also honeymooners and seniors on Disney, Carnival, etc. But the point is if the kids are the problem, go where there are less of them. NO, they do not belong in the adults only areas! But they are on their cruise vacation too and should not be shunned. Parents should just be responsible for their children, no matter what age! In days gone by, cruising was more of an older persons vacation, but as you see, the times they are a changin'.:D

 

Please explain how expecting "adults only" areas to actually be adults only areas amounts to "shunning" children. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with respect for the fact that RCI is NOT owned by or run by or ruled by or exclusively for the use of families with children. It is, as you yourself mention, for everyone. And please explain why anyone should have to go elsewhere in order to have RCI follow their own rules.

 

I don't go into the kids' areas; keep them out of mine. In the "for everyone" areas, I never complain about children unless they are causing a problem (such as running, screaming, through the dining room). OTOH, I would have a problem with adults behaving that way as well. I'm not a hypocrite when it comes to civil behavior.

 

beachchick

[caviargal]

Please explain how expecting "adults only" areas to actually be adults only areas amounts to "shunning" children. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with respect for the fact that RCI is NOT owned by or run by or ruled by or exclusively for the use of families with children. It is, as you yourself mention, for everyone. And please explain why anyone should have to go elsewhere in order to have RCI follow their own rules.

 

I don't go into the kids' areas; keep them out of mine. In the "for everyone" areas, I never complain about children unless they are causing a problem (such as running, screaming, through the dining room). OTOH, I would have a problem with adults behaving that way as well. I'm not a hypocrite when it comes to civil behavior.

 

beachchick

 

Well said, beachchick.

 

I will add that 12 is not 13 and that 15 is not 16. Why do some people always have to push the limits? And these threads consistently affirm that parents are not going to teach their kids to obey the rules so the cruise line needs to step up, as sad as that is.

 

Referring to SunnieD's last post, yes, I broke rules when I was kid , but certainly never at my parents suggestion or with their permission. If I was caught, which was often the case, I was disciplined.

 

I was taught to respect the rights of others and, as an adult passenger paying to eat in an adult dining room, it is my right not to have to dine with children. Same for the adult pools.

 

RCI has lost a long time cruiser with their lack of regard in these matters and I find it extremely dissapointing.

[SunnieD]

First of all I said that

-NO, children should not be in adult areas.

-If RCI is not what you are looking for in a cruise, then go elsewhere.

-Parents should not teach their children to lie, just follow the rules.

 

 

I just think this is so far gone! I am a happy person who looks for the bright side of things and I don't like a bully. I have a tendency to stand up for others. I will continue to cruise with the lines that appeal to me, with or without my children. I did find a lovely newer ship from Southhampton England, the ARCADIA. No children Allowed, EVER! It is a beautiful ship with a wonderful decor, itinerary, and I am sure the service is quite nice. Maybe on one of our vacations alone, we will try it out. Try to enjoy your future cruises!

[LittleBit]

The Mom made it worse by yelling to us in the hot tub, wait till you have children. Some of the group said they did have children and still follow the rules. The Mom continuded till the family left the area.

 

Why do people who have children think they get special exemptions? I've run into this many times - last Sat. afternoon I was at a large chainstore picking up 2 items I need that night (so I couldn't just get them some other time). I got onto the 12 items or less line which was heavily populated with people holding one or 2 items. When we asked the manager why they didn't open another fast line she said the one next to us (no light on) was open and it was a 12 or less line. So several of us moved. Much to our surprise there was one woman, husband/whatever, and sleeping child in her cart. And about 27 items. When it was pointed out to her that she was waaay over the limit she responded that well she had the baby and couldn't be bothered to wait on the long lines. Her child was more important than that. When it was pointed out to the clerk, her response was she just checked out anything put in front of her (and that she was too busy to bother with her light, she never put it on anyway). A brief word with the manager revealed that they had had several complaints about this clerk with the implication that she was not long for this company because of her attitude.

 

Why is it a problem for her to bend the rules because she had her baby with her? In the time that it took the clerk to check out the woman with 27 items, at least a dozen people on the express line with one or two items each could have been taken care of. Instead of one happy customer and 20 unhappy ones, the store would have had 12 happy customers and 1 unhappy customer.

[Mamacruisediva]

Why do people who have children think they get special exemptions? I've run into this many times - last Sat. afternoon I was at a large chainstore picking up 2 items I need that night (so I couldn't just get them some other time). I got onto the 12 items or less line which was heavily populated with people holding one or 2 items. When we asked the manager why they didn't open another fast line she said the one next to us (no light on) was open and it was a 12 or less line. So several of us moved. Much to our surprise there was one woman, husband/whatever, and sleeping child in her cart. And about 27 items. When it was pointed out to her that she was waaay over the limit she responded that well she had the baby and couldn't be bothered to wait on the long lines. Her child was more important than that. When it was pointed out to the clerk, her response was she just checked out anything put in front of her (and that she was too busy to bother with her light, she never put it on anyway). A brief word with the manager revealed that they had had several complaints about this clerk with the implication that she was not long for this company because of her attitude.

 

Why is it a problem for her to bend the rules because she had her baby with her? In the time that it took the clerk to check out the woman with 27 items, at least a dozen people on the express line with one or two items each could have been taken care of. Instead of one happy customer and 20 unhappy ones, the store would have had 12 happy customers and 1 unhappy customer.

 

I don't know if the baby had anything to do with her attitude. If she didn't have the baby she probably would have had some other excuse. If the baby were fussy or there were some apparent reason she needed to get out fast, I am sure the patrons would have helped her out! There is always a nice person willing to forgo a turn to help someone in need. :)

 

I think we need to remember that some people have good manners and some do not. There are always extenuating circumstances that we need to forgive and try to understand (tolerance). There are other situations where people are just rude and do not care. We will never teach them to behave as adults but it's our job to control our own behavior! ;)

[chorder]

This is one of my pet peeves. We were on the AOS trying to get in one of the hot tubs in the Solarium, and there was a woman in the hot tub with a little girl about the age of 7 or 8 with a snorkel mask on-snorkeling in the hot tub =0.

I agree with you on this one. I don't think small children should be allowed in the hot tubs at all.But in defense of the parents probably the only way to get a little relaxation in a hot tub is to take your child in it with you,although letting your child snorkle seems to be pushing it.

[tuff2]

SunnieD,

Guess what. There are some people who will say that they don't care about the no children allowed on the ship. "I paid my money, I'll do what I want", then criticise or try to sue the cruise line because when the are refused boarding.

[dfgf]

But in defense of the parents probably the only way to get a little relaxation in a hot tub is to take your child in it with you,although letting your child snorkle seems to be pushing it.

 

There is no defense for these parents. 'No Children In Hot Tub' = no children in the %&!# hot tub. Otherwise, it would say 'No Children In Hot Tub ...... Unless You Really Need To Relax And The Only Way You Can Do It Is To Bring Your Child - Who Is Much Better Behaved Than All Other Children, We're Sure - In The Hot Tub With You'

 

This thread is amazing. At the local grocery stores there are carts all over the parking lot because people can't be bothered to put their carts back where the signs tell you to. (Annoying when one of your cars is expensive because you are restricted from driving it to the grocery store for fear of damage.) I used to chalk it up to just a bunch of illiterates.

 

After reading this thread, I now surmise that it's actually people that just can't be bothered by all of the rules that suckers like me actually follow.

 

As much as that gets me down, the next time I cruise I'm going to continue following the rules and the laws and even the 'suggested attire' guidelines in the hopes that there are a handful of other people on the cruise who will appreciate my efforts.

[superjerryw]

There is no defense for these parents. 'No Children In Hot Tub' = no children in the %&!# hot tub. Otherwise, it would say 'No Children In Hot Tub ...... Unless You Really Need To Relax And The Only Way You Can Do It Is To Bring Your Child - Who Is Much Better Behaved Than All Other Children, We're Sure - In The Hot Tub With You' - I think it actaully says that on the sign in small print....

 

This thread is amazing. At the local grocery stores there are carts all over the parking lot because people can't be bothered to put their carts back where the signs tell you to. (Annoying when one of your cars is expensive because you are restricted from driving it to the grocery store for fear of damage.) I used to chalk it up to just a bunch of illiterates. - Not illiterate, just too freakin lazy to bother, even when the cart return is right next to their car. Who cares if the cart rolls around when they leave, it won't damage their car....

 

After reading this thread, I now surmise that it's actually people that just can't be bothered by all of the rules that suckers like me actually follow. No need for them to follow the rules as they are special and the rules don't apply to them...

 

As much as that gets me down, the next time I cruise I'm going to continue following the rules and the laws and even the 'suggested attire' guidelines in the hopes that there are a handful of other people on the cruise who will appreciate my efforts. - Please let me know how you enjoy dining with the Captain. Since you probably be the only people dressed appropriately they will have no choice but to invite you to dine with the Captain...[/quote]

 

You're 100% correct about everything. There are just too many people that think the rules don't apply to them simply because they don't want to follow them. It's OK for them to bring their kids in to the adults only hot tub, but they would probably be in an uproar if a bunch of us adults went over and sat down in the kiddie pool.....:rolleyes:

[Disneycruisers]

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As much as that gets me down, the next time I cruise I'm going to continue following the rules and the laws and even the 'suggested attire' guidelines in the hopes that there are a handful of other people on the cruise who will appreciate my efforts.

 

Count me as one of them.

[Jeanie821]

Why do people who have children think they get special exemptions? I've run into this many times - last Sat. afternoon I was at a large chainstore picking up 2 items I need that night (so I couldn't just get them some other time). I got onto the 12 items or less line which was heavily populated with people holding one or 2 items. When we asked the manager why they didn't open another fast line she said the one next to us (no light on) was open and it was a 12 or less line. So several of us moved. Much to our surprise there was one woman, husband/whatever, and sleeping child in her cart. And about 27 items. When it was pointed out to her that she was waaay over the limit she responded that well she had the baby and couldn't be bothered to wait on the long lines. Her child was more important than that. When it was pointed out to the clerk, her response was she just checked out anything put in front of her (and that she was too busy to bother with her light, she never put it on anyway). A brief word with the manager revealed that they had had several complaints about this clerk with the implication that she was not long for this company because of her attitude.

 

I think my favorite cashier's response to such an event has to be, "Good afternoon. And which of these twelve items are you purchasing today?"

[caribbean dreams]

I agree with you on this one. I don't think small children should be allowed in the hot tubs at all.But in defense of the parents probably the only way to get a little relaxation in a hot tub is to take your child in it with you,

 

Or take your child to the Childrens play room for an hour and relax in the spa without them so other adults can do the same thing.

 

I was in the ships casino and this woman had 4 kids with her, 2 on her lap and 2 others sitting at the slots next to her messing with the machines, they were all under the age of about 7, all could have been in the playroom (its free) so mom could go to the casino alone, but instead she chose to have them in a smoke filled area where they should not have been in the first place.

I take my children on vacation with me but would never even think about letting them in an adult area, hot tub or casino.

[Daycare Provider]

:mad: I will be very angry if there are kids in the Solarium when I am on vacation. I work with little people everday/all day M-F. I love working with little. When I am on vacation, I want adult time. Not Kiddie time. I will have NO PROBLEM telling a parent to ditch the kid.:mad: I paid just as much as they did for my cruise, so I would like to enjoy the amenities that are offered to ME.

To Bad RCI didn't have a person standing guard at the entrance of the Solarium to avoid many of these issues. If they did many cruisers wouldn't have anything to complain about.;)

[caviargal]

:mad: I will be very angry if there are kids in the Solarium when I am on vacation. I work with little people everday/all day M-F. I love working with little. When I am on vacation, I want adult time. Not Kiddie time. I will have NO PROBLEM telling a parent to ditch the kid.:mad: I paid just as much as they did for my cruise, so I would like to enjoy the amenities that are offered to ME.

To Bad RCI didn't have a person standing guard at the entrance of the Solarium to avoid many of these issues. If they did many cruisers wouldn't have anything to complain about.;)

 

The crew is put in an unpleasant situation because the parents are the ones who are supposed to know better and be respectful of others.

 

This has turned me away from RCI.

 

On an Enchantment cruise, 900 kids were aboard. They were everywhere and there were so many complaints lodged that the Purser put up a sign saying basically saying that they were aware of the problem but were relying on the parents to resolve it.

 

I can tell you that the adults in the Solarium were highly aggravated! It was like this for a week with no resolution.

 

So, it is the luck of the draw with the individual ship and crew.

[GrandySm]

Be forewarned Explorer 4/30

 

If you bring your kids in to adult only areas expect to meet me up close and personal........Expect me to complain to everyone and do everything I can to emabarrass and humiliate you.........I will be screaming at every staff person I come in contact with about you and your children.........I want to start a movement called the get your kid out of here movement.......The simple solution for parents DO YOUR JOB

[Julienatul]

I have never been on an RCCL ship before but isnt the solarium which is "adult only" where the hamburgers, fries and pizza are? How do the children on board get this food if they are not allowed in? I am just wondering since that is what most children eat. I am a parent bringing my baby on a cruise next month. I would NEVER bring her into a hot tub, first of all it is unhealthy for children, it raises their body temp too high and has actually caused heart arrythmias before. I would also never disturb adults trying to relax in an adult only area. Nor would I ever let my child out of my sight at all times. However, I do feel that cruises in general are not just adult only. We are all in close quarters on the ship and have to tolerate both obnoxious children and obnoxious adults on board in the public areas just as we do at home in public places. Parents should watch their children and not let them run wild. But parents do have the right to bring their children on a ship. If you are someone that does not want to travel with children I would say do not book a cruise during spring break (march/april) as their will be more kids than you can imagine on board. I dont agree with letting children run wild. On the last ship we went on I had to pull a child off a stairway banister who was climbing because they could have fallen several stories down and their was no parent in sight. I think I put the fear of God in him but I have no idea where his parents were.

[pcur]

Yes, children can come and go to get the food in the Solarium. The irritation is when they are using the pool and the hot tubs. Usually, it's the parents that bring them in there with them.

 

Some Solariums have a designated time that children are allowed with their parents, and some do not. If there isn't a time posted, then children are NOT allowed at ALL.

 

However, if there are 900 kids on one cruise, there's not much that can be done to control the situation. That's why DH and I cruise during traditional school times, and avoid March-August. Some people can't because of their job situation, so the best to be done is call the cruise line and ask the ratio of children on your cruise.

 

One place we go where there are NEVER children is Deck 5. There are loungers out there and very few people. It's protected from the sun and you have a great view of the ocean out there.

[chorder]

OK, I have read all the responses to this post and others like it. I am going to open myself up to a flaming. I think children are annoying ,they are loud they play on the elevators, they swim in the hot tubs, they conregate on all the stairways they are a genuine pain in the arse. But guess what OF COURSE THEY ARE THEY ARE KIDS, that is what kids do they test us adults 24/7 I know ours could be a pain ,they live by the rules we set for them, and if we don't enforce them no one will .

[Daycare Provider]

I would love to travel on an adult only cruise. That way unruly children that have parents that don't follow rules, won't be on the ship. We will be on the AOS April 29,2007. Since Spring Break will be over and school isn't out for the summer...I am keeping my hopes up.

I have found one way to get parents to take thier kids away, begin a very loud adult conversation. This always embaresses parents when thier children are hearing sex talk.:eek: Don't forget to have a cocktail in each hand.:D

[chorder]

 

Or take your child to the Childrens play room for an hour and relax in the spa without them so other adults can do the same thing.

 

I was in the ships casino and this woman had 4 kids with her, 2 on her lap and 2 others sitting at the slots next to her messing with the machines, they were all under the age of about 7, all could have been in the playroom (its free) so mom could go to the casino alone, but instead she chose to have them in a smoke filled area where they should not have been in the first place.

I take my children on vacation with me but would never even think about letting them in an adult area, hot tub or casino.

I could be wrong about this but aren't children allowed in the hot tubs under parental supervision? Now the casino is a whole different story, I do know that is for 18 and older, the staff should have asked to to take the children out immediately.

[Merion_Mom]

On each of my cruises, I have seen ship's personnel ask under-18s to leave the casino. If they can do it there, they can do it in the solarium, in Chops, in Portofino's, in hot tubs......................

[RickandSusan]

I am so THERE!!!

[Mamacruisediva]

you should have to take test to become a parent.

 

I failed the test 6 times and they STILL let me have three!! lol :D

(Just tryin' to keep things light - still love to cruise!) :)

[airbornewilly]

the SeaPass isn't swiped when going into the disco.

 

They use their Punch system....

 

0 Punch = 21+

1 Punch = 18-20

2 Punch = -18

 

I'm not sure how they punch it when the waiver has been signed.

 

I think it depends on the ship! I was in one of the bars on voyager of the sea and I saw a bouncer with a laptop and a swiper. He was swiping the younger kids cards to make sure it was really them. When he ran the sea pass through the reader it showed a picture of the person. I don't remember if it provided specefic information in addition to the picture.

[Clarkk W Griswald]

I think it depends on the ship! I was in one of the bars on voyager of the sea and I saw a bouncer with a laptop and a swiper. He was swiping the younger kids cards to make sure it was really them. When he ran the sea pass through the reader it showed a picture of the person. I don't remember if it provided specefic information in addition to the picture.

 

When the waiver is signed, 18-20 year olds get 1 punch, if not signed, they get 2 punches. My kids, 18 and 20, had the waiver signed and had to provide picture id's (driver's license or passport) before entering the disco, no exceptions. This was on the Serenade last month.