Current Dress Code and Formal Night

[Treadonu]

I'm wearing a kilt next time.:cool:

[trock]

I'm wearing a kilt next time.:cool:

Us women -well most of us- love those kilts

 

do not tease!

[MrPete]

LOL! This thread will never die!

 

 

 

Not as long as the "I'M RIGHT" camps each continue to post.

[Cruise, J.D.]

There is actually no such thing as "different" denotations.

 

Oh, btw, you have incorrectly used "there" according to its denotative meaning. Its use as a pronoun to introduce a sentence or clause is inconsistent with the denotative meaning of "in or at that place". Since you place such importance on that issue, I thought you might want to know. Unless of course you believe the word has two or more denotative meanings?

 

Cheers!

[G'ma]

That is wrong. Many words are often listed with two or more denotations in a dictionary, both in common use. That is in addition to any connotative meanings to the words. The word "good" has 58 meanings listed. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/good. Are you saying that "good" does not have two or more obvious denotative meanings? "Good" is often defined in the law as an article of personal property. This is by definition a denotative meaning since it is defined.

 

The original meaning of "vulgar"? is "the general public". Is that the denotative meaning? If you used the word "vulgar", how would you expect the listener to intrepret it?

 

This ignores the arguability of whether denotative meaning actually exists and the use of idioms that take two or more words and combine them for a denotative meaning outside the underlying words.

 

I thought you would appreciate this link on semiotics for beginners. http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem06.html

 

The word up for discussion on the post is the word "denotation"........ which refers to a specific word and it's translation. Ya miss that part?:D

[G'ma]

Oh, btw, you have incorrectly used "there" according to its denotative meaning. Its use as a pronoun to introduce a sentence or clause is inconsistent with the denotative meaning of "in or at that place". Since you place such importance on that issue, I thought you might want to know. Unless of course you believe the word has two or more denotative meanings?

 

Cheers!

 

I believe that would be an error in grammar, not translation.

[MidlothianCruiser]

Oh, btw, you have incorrectly used "there" according to its denotative meaning. Its use as a pronoun to introduce a sentence or clause is inconsistent with the denotative meaning of "in or at that place". Since you place such importance on that issue, I thought you might want to know. Unless of course you believe the word has two or more denotative meanings?

 

Cheers!

 

 

[G'ma]

LOL! This thread will never die!

 

 

So, have we come to a decision on what is allowed in the dining room yet? :D :D :D

 

C'mon Dude.....aren't ya getting any fun out of it at all? I'd love to be sitting around the living room having a face to face with some of these folks......I love a lively debate.

 

Shoot, wear whatcha want........nobody's gonna pay any attention anyway unless your outfit is so outrageous that eyes are drawn to you.

 

Once sailed for a week with a guy that dressed for dinner every night......in full Elvis Presley regalia, different colors, complete with sequins and capes, monster sunglasses,false sideburns and a really, really bad wig. Some of us thought he was part of the entertainment..... Of course, he was, but not in the way we were thinking.

 

Another time, it was a very old woman who showed up for dinner completely dressed in the highest fashion - of the 1930's, complete with hat, gloves, fur wrap and jewelry..........

 

People; ya gotta love 'em.:p

[Cruise, J.D.]

I believe that would be an error in grammar' date=' not translation.[/quote']

 

Nope. I work with two retired English teachers. I checked with them and it was not an error in grammar to use "there". You were simply using the word under another denotation. "There is" is perfectly fine grammar, but it is using the word in a different sense than its original meaning.

[Cruise, J.D.]

The word up for discussion on the post is the word "denotation"........ which refers to a specific word and it's translation. Ya miss that part?:D

 

Nope. You claimed it was impossible for a word to have more than one denotation. I provided the words "good" and "vulgar" as a example that it is possible.

 

You handed me another on a silver platter with "there".

[rphx2nc]

I am a math/science person and have to admit I haven't the faintest what you two are debating. That being said, I have on question. What are you wearing right now?

[bakechef]

Once again' date=' there is a failure to comprehend the written word. My comments are NOT about Carnival's dress code policy, but, rather, the difference between "acceptable" and "appropriate".

 

As for the comments on my language choices, I am, like many others on this forum, a fully literate adult with a great command of the English language. I find those who are literate and well versed can usually get their point across without insults, without using offensive language and without aggression.[/quote']

 

Apparently there is a failure to comprehend that this is the Carnival section of Cruise Critic, and the thread is about the Carnival dress code.

 

I think you are confusing "literate and well versed" with pompous windbag.

 

MAC

[Mikel1733]

Yes it does apply. For some principles, society has attempted to remove ambiguity by establishing an official "appropriateness" (i.e., the law). Acts not unlawful depend on subjective views for appropriateness. This is why there are different cultures even within the same country. There is a lot of room within the law for groups to establish their own standards of behavior. One group does not own the meaning of appropriate.

 

Carnival has a dress code to resolve some ambiguity on appropriateness. Anything outside the dress code relies on mere opinion of appropriateness.

 

There can never really be an objective appropriateness for dress. Standards of appropriateness regarding dress change from one generation to the next and from one culture to the next. If there was a fixed definition, then why has fashion changed so much over time? Those from earlier times would surely think modern dress "inappropriate". Who gets to set the definition and how far back in time do you go to set the definition? I am thankful that past generations were not able to set the definition of appropriate dress for all time.

 

It is easy to grasp that all language has inherent ambiguity. Even a child understands the concept. I guess you have never had a situation where you said something and the person misinterpreted your meaning? Supposing both of you gave the same words different meanings based on different denotations of the words, who was wrong?

 

Do you write text books:D

[aVASTGrl]

sorry to butt into the ...erm..."discussion"...but I have another question about elegant night dress codes. (Sorry, I'm sure you guys are tired of answering these!)

 

I'm probably in the minority but I love dressing up and I'm really looking forward to formal nights on my first cruise next May on the Freedom. I know that in the Carnival FAQ's it states that it's ok to wear ball/evening gowns, but will I be the only one in the dining room in my ballgown gear? I normally don't care what I wear in relation to others, but I'd rather not be the only person in a big poofy dress in the middle of a huge dining room :p

[afcj1]

sorry to butt into the ...erm..."discussion"...but I have another question about elegant night dress codes. (Sorry, I'm sure you guys are tired of answering these!)

 

I'm probably in the minority but I love dressing up and I'm really looking forward to formal nights on my first cruise next May on the Freedom. I know that in the Carnival FAQ's it states that it's ok to wear ball/evening gowns, but will I be the only one in the dining room in my ballgown gear? I normally don't care what I wear in relation to others, but I'd rather not be the only person in a big poofy dress in the middle of a huge dining room :p

 

You go for it!! It's your cruise, so enjoy dressing up in your "poofy" dress. They'll be other ladies in evening "gowns", men in tuxes, ladies in cocktial dresses, business attire and men in suits, slacks/shirts and no ties, etc. Some want to cut back due to the airline fees for checked luggage, others because of Carnival's more relaxed dress recommendations for "elegent" dining.

Again, you wear what you want and enjoy every moment:D

[wentworth]

sorry to butt into the ...erm..."discussion"...but I have another question about elegant night dress codes. (Sorry, I'm sure you guys are tired of answering these!)

 

I'm probably in the minority but I love dressing up and I'm really looking forward to formal nights on my first cruise next May on the Freedom. I know that in the Carnival FAQ's it states that it's ok to wear ball/evening gowns, but will I be the only one in the dining room in my ballgown gear? I normally don't care what I wear in relation to others, but I'd rather not be the only person in a big poofy dress in the middle of a huge dining room :p

 

 

Wear what you feel comfortable in. Although I haven't seen many poofy

ball gowns in our eight cruises, there have been many beautiful elegant

dresses along with some just "dresssier dresses". These were all "appropriate' imho.;)

 

More importantly, have fun and enjoy your cruise!!!:)

[Kurbanfan]

I'm probably in the minority but I love dressing up and I'm really looking forward to formal nights on my first cruise next May on the Freedom. I know that in the Carnival FAQ's it states that it's ok to wear ball/evening gowns, but will I be the only one in the dining room in my ballgown gear?

 

No you won't be alone. The majority of women wear gowns and cocktail dresses. You will look great.:)

[G'ma]

Apparently there is a failure to comprehend that this is the Carnival section of Cruise Critic, and the thread is about the Carnival dress code.

 

I think you are confusing "literate and well versed" with pompous windbag.

 

MAC

 

If so, I'm certainly in the majority here. There's enough pomposity to cover 80% of these posts. Let me welcome you to the club.

 

[trock]

You go for it!! It's your cruise, so enjoy dressing up in your "poofy" dress. They'll be other ladies in evening "gowns", men in tuxes, ladies in cocktial dresses, business attire and men in suits, slacks/shirts and no ties, etc. Some want to cut back due to the airline fees for checked luggage, others because of Carnival's more relaxed dress recommendations for "elegent" dining.

Again, you wear what you want and enjoy every moment:D

No you will not be alone, I have worn gowns...or gown length dresses ;)

[bakechef]

If so' date=' I'm certainly in the majority here. There's enough pomposity to cover 80% of these posts. Let me welcome you to the club.

 

 

Aww come on, a wordsmith like you can throw a better zinger than that!:p

 

My response was a bit over the top yesterday, sorry about that, I was in a weird mood.

 

Let's just agree to disagree on this topic.:)

 

MAC

[Jack_Tar]

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[patches12]

Trock,

 

I just got off the Destiny, and every day I saw the same man wearing a "kilt". It may have been the same kilt; I don't know. Anyway, you would have changed your mind about kilts.

 

Others,

The dress code seems to be non-existent on the Destiny whether cruise casual or cruise elegant nights. I was so overdressed compared to the majority of the early diners. I would estimate that about 10% dressed up. I saw a T-shirt with "Jesus" on it, Hawaiian shirts, flip flops, short shorts, etc. One young girl (18-20) wore cut-offs rolled up as high as they could possibly go AND wore platform heels! I guess she thought she dressed the cut-offs up with the heels...I thought she looked like one of those hookers you see in movies! My opinion, sorry.

 

One man wore flip flops and Hawaiian shirts every night including the elegant nights. He was in his 50s so it is not like he was a teenager not knowing how to dress.

 

I was sad to see people not dressing up on my first cruise. Some didn't look like they had even washed their hair or showered before coming to dinner. Maybe the late dinner seating was better.

 

The worst "offense", if you want to call it that, was a 30 something woman wearing a white thong bikini in the hallways with a sheer cover-up. I don't know why she bothered with the cover-up. She wore it off the boat and into town. When you are behind her walking the same way, you can't help but see her butt! My husband pretended not to see! Smart man!! :D

 

I saw only 3-5 men with tuxedos and about 20-30 with suits or sport coats on. Most just wore khakis with a polo shirt for elegant night. I guess I can understand packing light with the airlines charging for luggage.

 

:confused:

[G'ma]

Aww come on, a wordsmith like you can throw a better zinger than that!:p

 

My response was a bit over the top yesterday, sorry about that, I was in a weird mood.

 

Let's just agree to disagree on this topic.:)

 

MAC

 

To quote one of my very favorite wordsmiths, the timeless Samuel Clemens:

 

"Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it".......:p

 

Hey, we all get heated up on here sometimes. I actually kind of enjoy the lively debate. Not the nastiness, you understand, but find the exchange of passionate ideas to be refreshing.

 

I must admit a certain vicarious enjoyment by stirring the pot a little. These forums and threads would soon fall into disuse and despair without a few subjects that awaken and touch the passion of us cruisers.:D

[jessemon]

The new Carnival dress code for formal/not so formal night is......

Gentleman are required to wear.....bib overalls, flannel shirt and work boots....

The ladies shall wear....Gunny sacks and flip flops...(note: gunny sacks should be worn at an appropriate lenght).......LMAO......:D :D

I just had to do this.......

And ...."YES" ......I was joking......:p :p

[24Alaska]

We just got off the Spirit southbound from Alaska. Far and away most men wore suits or sport coats. Many wore dress ****s without coats. I only saw 1 "gentleman" with a t-shirt and shorts in the dining room. He was rejected, but he did look out of place.