Cruiserbillyboo Posted January 16, 2017 #51 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I disagree, blackjack is a team sport. All players against the dealer. When someonedoesn't hit or stay when they 'should' it does affect your cards. Other player's play absolutely does affect your cards, on any one individual hand, there is no question about that. The point is, it just often helps as hurts. In long run, no effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirstyCruiser Posted January 16, 2017 #52 Share Posted January 16, 2017 When someonedoesn't hit or stay when they 'should' it does affect your cards. That's right. Someone playing a hand differently than you would results in 50% of the time its helps you win (or push) when you would have otherwise lost and 50% of the time it causes you to lose (or push) when you would have otherwise won. People remember pain more than gain. Its helps just as often as it hurts. After reading several books on card counting and analyzing the deviation from Basic Strategy based on the count, there's always a little part of me that wonders, is it A."They just stayed on 16 against a dealer 7 - what a clown." B. "Good act. Looks like they are playing BJ for the first time. The count must have justified that play." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mk-ultra Posted January 17, 2017 #53 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) For what it's worth -- shipboard casinos uniformly have pretty awful house advantages; way worse than even the sketchiest blackjack table you'll see on land. Dealers hit on soft-17. 6:5 blackjack payout. Super-restrictive rules on splitting and doubling. Even if you play a "perfect" basic strategy game, you're still going to lose a hell of a lot more than you would at a decent casino table in Vegas. You're always going to lose on land or sea (assuming you aren't an incredibly skilled card counter playing against a single deck -- good luck finding that). If I play blackjack on a ship, it's to socialize, not gamble. In Vegas, I know I'm going to lose (slowly). On a ship, I know I'm going to get raked over the coals in minutes rather than hours. In Vegas, at least the free drinks act as an offset. Not so on a ship. Edited January 17, 2017 by mk-ultra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahannah Posted January 17, 2017 #54 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Other player's play absolutely does affect your cards, on any one individual hand, there is no question about that. The point is, it just often helps as hurts. In long run, no effect. I'm not superstitious and understand that bad play affecting my game is a fallacy, but it is very distracting to play with bad players. Not only that, it slows the game down to a miserable crawl while someone tries to decide what to do with a hard ten hand against a dealer's six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted January 17, 2017 #55 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I'm not superstitious and understand that bad play affecting my game is a fallacy, but it is very distracting to play with bad players. Not only that, it slows the game down to a miserable crawl while someone tries to decide what to do with a hard ten hand against a dealer's six. Everyone has to start as a beginner and cruise casinos are always going to have newbies trying it for the fun. There are better venues for people who are serious players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserbillyboo Posted January 18, 2017 #56 Share Posted January 18, 2017 For what it's worth -- shipboard casinos uniformly have pretty awful house advantages; way worse than even the sketchiest blackjack table you'll see on land. Dealers hit on soft-17. 6:5 blackjack payout. Super-restrictive rules on splitting and doubling. Even if you play a "perfect" basic strategy game, you're still going to lose a hell of a lot more than you would at a decent casino table in Vegas. All true. However, the effect of dealer hitting soft 17 is actually pretty small - an additional 0.22% house advantage. The 6:5 BJ is more of an issue, giving the house an additional 1.4% advantage. My experience on most cruise ships is that they still mostly pay BJ at 3:2, except for the lowest minimum tables, where it is indeed often 6:5. See here for an explanation of all this: http://www.blackjackage.com/rule-variations-and-their-percentages.php My guess - just a speculation - is that someone who understands the game as well as the above poster is probably not playing at the lowest minimum tables. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahannah Posted January 26, 2017 #57 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Everyone has to start as a beginner and cruise casinos are always going to have newbies trying it for the fun. There are better venues for people who are serious players. Too true. That is why I tend to patronize the larger minimum tables. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdestructo Posted January 26, 2017 #58 Share Posted January 26, 2017 The 6:5 payout is usually only on single deck blackjack in RC casinos. It has been 3:2 on all the tables I have played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorman23 Posted January 26, 2017 #59 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I've never understood how winning at blackjack depends so much on the skill of the other players at the table. So what if they play stupidly? :confused: I have to agree, bj has much better odds of winning vs the house edge then 3 card will ever have. With all the decks in use and constant shuffles machines (bigger ships seem to use these) the impact of bad play by a neighbor on your cards is very small although it can screw with your mojo or attention as can a smoker or drunk. Jmoho Mine Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troykahack Posted January 26, 2017 #60 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I love the Casino and like a good game of BJ once in a while. However, if it looks to serious, I don't play. I don't play by conventional wisdom. I use the Casino strictly as entertainment. Play no more money than I can afford to use. Everyone has different limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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