19 minutes ago, mugtech said:

Pretty grim view of cruising starting up, such as:  Required, more expensive insurance.  Theatre turned into extra charge dinner theatre.  All kinds of social distancing restrictions including eliminating elevators.  No masks?

You watch to this one hour of video?

It is just one man opinion given it is we'll made.

You cannot buy insurance as the virus is a known risk.

Eliminating elevators, no mask are all matters that is yet to be decided by the cruise industry. Theatre turn extra charge dinner theatre is just bizarre. 

6 hours ago, beerman2 said:

Funny he's already denied being Seaman 11 on another thread. Claims he's new.

7 hours ago, hamrag said:

Yep, looks like Uncle Albert in a new guise. I wonder for how long cc have banned him this time!

8 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

 

You left the 11 off of your new screen name...


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Yea, notice the name Seaman 11 a lot but not recently.

I thought CC would only allow one username from one IP address.

Chief, the CDC has label cruise ships as 'incubator' of the virus but not any other class of ships.

They outwardly advice people not to go on the cruise ships.

So their order for cruise ship guests is in line with their policy.

What if the other countries don't accept their ships.

There are already indications of this from Canada and Australia.

The US would continue to host their ships because of their strong lobby group, CLIA.

Would the benefits of accepting their ships outweigh the scourge from the virus.

On 5/29/2020 at 3:59 PM, Mrdodgy said:

Scientific and medical discoveries and advances will dictate any changes and protocols that Carnival Corporation and its nine cruise lines implement before they return, CEO and President Arnold Donald said

 

In an exclusive interview with Cruise Critic, Donald said it's too soon to tell what exact changes cruisers will see on ships once they return to service, but he vowed that whatever protocols are put in place would follow guidelines put out by global health authorities such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization.

 

It is not news but the thoughts of a senior industry leader - Read the article it sums up the position but gives away they have no idea when the will start again in my view. I know its not NCL but it gives a flavour of what is going on behind the scenes. I just wonder what cruising will be when it returns?

Why do you start a thread and miss out the best quote

August 1 Return Announcement "Insightful Mistake"

a recent Carnival Cruise Line announcement turned out to be "one of the most insightful mistakes we've ever made," Donald said.

Since the CDC issued its "no sail" ruling in mid-April, Carnival Corp. has been working with the government organization to follow appropriate protocols, Donald said -- although he stressed that the CDC isn't the only health organization out there for a global organization to satisfy.

"We go to 700 destinations around the world," he said. "Everybody's got their own rules and regulations, and we have to abide by them all."

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The operator of short cruises between the Port of Palm Beach, Florida and Grand Bahama Island plans to resume cruises on July 25, just one day after the expected expiration of the Centers for Disease Controls’ current “no sail order.”

This is a lot of hot air. Assuming that CDC order will expire and just disappear. It is not going to happen.

40 minutes ago, Cruise Critic Chris said:

Wanted to update everyone here with our article. The economist said that it was an assumption for their model, and not a government policy. Also statement from NCL: https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/5371/

Thank You for your posting.

If I may comment on the article now,

the assumption was based on two factors: "(1) the projected COVID-19 pandemic will finish by the end of 2020 worldwide; (2) people are reluctant to travel via cruise for a few months after the ending of the pandemic.

I know as stated it is not government policy. But the assumptions made have certain weaknesses. 1) Nobody can predict when the pandemic will be finished. You must mean when a vaccine will be available and hence the virus will be ineffective. 2) People, cruisers are a die hard bunch and will get on the cruise ship whenever it is ready.

My only other comment is if the cruise industry players don't sail in early 2012 there may not be any cruise industry left.

1 hour ago, twangster said:

An update to the report.

 

It seems there was no decision made by the state of Hawaii to block cruise ships as this may have been interpreted, rather this was an economic forecast intended to warn the state that there won't be significant cruise visitors coming so they can plan accordingly for a loss of revenue from cruise ship visitors.

 

Regarding the cruise visitors to Hawaii, that is a pure assumption by a group of economists within the Hawaii State Department of Business, Economic Development & Tourism, the assumption is NOT a decision of government officials.  Our assumption is on the conservative side, the purpose is to provide the economic impact of a conservative scenario.  The assumption is based on two factors: (1) the projected COVID-19 pandemic will finish by the end of 2020 worldwide; (2) people are reluctant to travel via cruise for a few month after the ending of the pandemic.

This is based on the assumption that the No Sail Order by CDC is still in effect and a vaccine is available end of 2021. Otherwise we may not have a cruise industry anymore.

1 hour ago, Diver2014 said:

 

Well, I'm going to eat my words.....I think it would be best to change to November of 2021 so I won't be wondering and waiting until November of this year.  This is the second time we've had to cancel or postpone a POA cruise.  

If POA don't sail early 2021 we may not have POA or any cruise industry anymore.

3 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

Hawaii still requires anyone coming into the state or moving between islands to quarantine for 14 days. It is a true quarantine, go into a hotel room and never come out for 14 days after your arrival. And if you do, they arrest you, fine you, and put you on the next flight out of the state. 

 

NCL has not done themselves any favors in the eyes of the Hawaii government. Long after the shutdown of cruises (i.e., more than 14 days), there was an outbreak of COVID on the POA. 

So there were incidents that prompted this opinion by the Hawaii government.

NCL have only themselves to blame for this.

As they have to sign off on any future sail to and from Hawaii I read this as a No from them, the government.

25 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

Going to be a lot of unhappy people on here if that it true?

 Going to be  a lot sea days in a row from Vancouver to Singapore when you leave Hawaii out of the mix?

There is no telling if the SG government will allow the ship to dock.

Far too early to tell and too many things can change by then.

This is an interesting read. Expect no cruise tourist until second half of 2021.

They must be assuming that the CDC No Sail Order will be in place till then and hopefully a vaccine would be available then.

So don't see how it could be interpreted in any other way. Would other U S States adopt this same view.

You think CDC fighting a Pandemic in July will just collapse in August and let Carnival keep on sailing.

7 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

To be totally accurate, this is what the CDC requires going forward during the current pandemic.  It may or may not be what is required in the future.  It is an interim rule that can be changed, strengthened, or rescinded at any time.

Chief, we understand each other perfectly here, O.K.

https://cruiseradio.net/cdc-details-what-cruise-lines-must-do-to-sail-again/

When Carnival has complied with all these CDC No Sail Order

I remember that as well. 

For those interested in the CDC No Sail Order this is the requirement for the cruise industry going forward.

CDC Details What Cruise Lines Must Do To Sail Again 

“hospital” ship for the infected

quarantine” ship for the exposed,

“residential” ship for those providing care and treatment

Ship Clinic renovated to mini hospital  

The medical center onboard ships must provide a level of care similar to that a patient would find in a shoreside facility.

Detailed logistical planning for evacuating and repatriating guests, both U.S. citizens and foreign nationals, to their respective communities and home countries via foreign government or industry-chartered private transport and flights, including the steps the cruise ship operator will take to ensure those involved in the transport are not exposed.

https://cruiseradio.net/cdc-details-what-cruise-lines-must-do-to-sail-again/

4 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

If you read the article, the last paragraph states that all of the other Carnival ships will hopefully start back sometime in September.   This obviously  would include the Panorama.

 

The CDC no sail order is currently in effect until July 27.  Carnival and the other lines that hope to sail in August have a right to do so assuming that the CDC order does not get extended.  The way that the country is starting to open up it would not be inconceivable  that cruises could resume in some areas of the country  in 10 weeks.  At least Carnival has a game plan and is only starting out with a tentative plan of 8 ships and 3 ports.

The CDC will be extended. The demands in the Order will not just disappear in August. Hospital ships, Resident ships, every cruise ship clinic renovated into mini hospital etc etc will last until a vaccine is found.

Parts of the country opening up has nothing to do with the No Sail Order.

No chance RCL will cruise this year if ever again.

Don't throw any more money into RCL.

6 hours ago, sunonfire said:

 

https://cruisefever.net/dates-when-each-carnival-cruise-ship-will-resume-cruises/

This article by the TA is there to generate booking for them and Carnival.

Carnival is going nowhere as long as the CDC No Sail Order is in effect and extended.

This not what the OP is asking.

The hospital ship in NYC is not the same issue as that offered by Carnival.

The hospital ships required by the CDC is still a very real requirement under the No Sail Order.

Carnival has instead floated the idea of cruises in August to get people to book and thereby improve their cash position.

But hospital ships under the CDC Order is an insurmountable problem for Carnival for future cruising and is not just an issue that is currently discussed and publicised. 

It is a problem. But if you work on the assumption that the cruise will be cancelled then you don't want to spend any more money. You may lose your deposit and airfare.

But if Carnival cancel then you should get your money back eventually. They would surely want you to rebook for a later date with their 125% FCC offer.

Further complication is under the CDC rules presently you all need to be quarantine in US for 2 weeks before you can go on the ship. This is the CDC rules for all aliens i.e. Non US residents. Just how this quarantine is to be served is beyond me.

I myself think there is no way Carnival can cruise under the CDC No Sail rules presently.

No way Carnival can sail with CDC No Sail Order.

No Sail Order will be extended if there is no compliance by the cruiselines to all the conditions imposed by CDC

25 minutes ago, MsTabbyKats said:

Sheesh...same argument with same people over and over.

OP just wanted to know if people think there can be cruising with social distancing.

 

No...there can't be.  Besides being impossible it won't be fun.  After a few honest reviews...new bookings without OBC will be way down.

 

 

You answer it for me. I am asking whether we would have a cruising industry in 2021 if CDC Social Distancing rule is still in place. Don't think there will be any cruising in 2021without a vaccine. It would be too expensive to operate under compliance with CDC rules.

Too make myself clear here, if there is a vaccine then CDC would drop their No Sail Order.