datolim
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I am not speculating.
I am just stating the facts at the present time and asking you what future looks like to you.
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Reality is the present state of the cruise industry at this moment in time.
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Reality is there whether you want to see it or not.
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There are 12 cruise ships waiting outside Manila, Philippines waiting to disembark their crew.
Last news about 100,000 crew in 100 cruise ship still waiting to disembark worldwide.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:5851240/zoom:13
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18 minutes ago, Jimbo said:
That's exactly the issue, the medical staff on these cruise ships and shore side management really lacks the training to handle these kinds of medical issues. If they don't assure the CDC they can handle these kind of issues it will still be under a NO SAIL ORDER.
So until they upgrade that it will be hard for the ship staff to handle REAL issues on that arise on cruise ships.
Agree with you 100%. Zero chance CDC will let them cruise again.
Even IF CDC let them which country would let them dock in their country.
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16 minutes ago, Biker19 said:
Pretty sure most of the area crew was dropped off more than a week ago when Spectrum, Voyager and Ovation docked in Bali.
No Sir, Crystal Serenity was trying to unload crew in Malaysia from 2 weeks ago without success.
Turn around to Indonesia, Jakarta but Indonesia ban all cruise ships yesterday. Looks like they are also playing the waiting game.
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11 hours ago, klfrodo said:
and if Royal goes into Administration (or Chapter 11 here in the US) for reorganization, the vouchers will have either 0 value or whatever value the court determines.
smart money is to get refund. If cruise line don't sail again your payment is gone as you would be deem an unsecured creditor
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1 hour ago, Biker19 said:
She's been sailing around Asia, like the rest of the ships, assume she's dropped off crew. She's at anchor off Singapore for the last couple of days.
Thanks Pal. Cannot drop off crew in Malaysia or neighbouring countries. How long are going to play this waiting game.
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On 3/18/2020 at 10:20 AM, The_Big_M said:
They also removed a cruise scheduled for the 11th April so their first point above isn't correct.
Can somebody update me on the status of Ovation OTS.
Sail on her last year and was surprised to sea it is presently anchored on the east coast of Malaysia.
Is she trying to unload the remaining crew still?
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With the CDC order I think the future of cruising is up in the air.
At the moment the cruise industry players just don't know how to comply with this order.
So their future is up in the air. So is your ability to cruise again.
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7 hours ago, chengkp75 said:
Classification societies, or class societies, or simply "class" in maritime parlance are surveyors who act as insurance underwriters, and they inspect ships for the things listed in the linked article, ranging from the construction of the vessel, it's current structural condition, it's safety equipment, the condition of all machinery, how the company does it's business (the ISM or International Safety Management Code), and a few other things. A "certificate of class" stating that the ship meets the class society's rules for ships, must be obtained before a "certificate of registry" (think of your car or home title) from the flag state can be obtained, and before the ship will be allowed to purchase hull insurance or enter into a P&I (protection and indemnity) insurance club that covers claims for damages to third parties. All class societies rules will follow SOLAS and other international conventions (MARPOL, STCW, ISM, ISPS) at the minimum.
I don't understand how relevant this is.
This is the same as the annual checkup and licencing for my apartment elevators.
But the elevators can still breakdown three times a day and trap people in the elevator.
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36 minutes ago, firefly333 said:
I'm not even seeing sales or lower prices out of Galveston for 2020, such as carnival has. Carnival had 6 and 7 day cruises for less than $200 pp. Someone grabbed a balcony on carnival for $650 including prepaid tips for 7 days. There was a inside for 170 x 2 plus taxes for this august, 50/50 chance? For 7 days. Even cheaper from florida.
People kept predicting cheap prices for rcl, I dont see them for Galveston which I follow.
Different management style.
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7 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:
Wow. Even if there was a muster drill, yes, the Master is always responsible, and the cruise line would be liable for claims. Would love to know what class society inspects these ships.
Don't understand 'what class society inspects these ships'
Yes these young handsome Swedish Captains would lose everything including their freedom.
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8 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:
This would not be up to the cruise line to initiate something like this, it would require a change in SOLAS through the IMO. The requirement for a passenger muster drill is not just to have passengers learn where their station is, it is to be a "drill" for the passengers, and SOLAS requires drills to be "as realistic as possible", so passengers meandering to their muster locations throughout the afternoon would not meet these criteria, and removes crew training from the passenger muster, and also requires staff to remain at an emergency station (taking those sea passes) for longer periods, so they would be unable to provide passenger services (their normal job). I don't see the muster drill going away anytime soon, any more than I do crew fire drills (which have been mentioned in lawsuits by crew recently).
Chief, the cruise line that I go on …… Genting HK......don't conduct safety drill.
Is the Captain or the cruise line boss personally responsible if there is some mishap.
I have always wondered why these Swedish Captains would accept these conditions.
Genting HK which started here 20 years ago never could get the local gamblers to do the safety drill.
But RCL ships here have imposed the safety drill on all guest.
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Too early for RCL to offer sale prices for 2021.
Some say wait for RCL to cancel or offer spectacular prices.
Some others say get your partial refund now in case they never sail again. Yes RCL. Then your payment will be lost as you are deemed an unsecured creditor.
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11 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:
I'm not saying that the CDC has stopped all merchant shipping, which it hasn't, because I'm still working on a tanker carrying oil around the US. What I am saying is that ports around the world are not allowing merchant ships to crew change in their ports, or restricting crew who fly into the port to join a ship, or crew getting off a ship to be quarantined in a hotel for 2 weeks without pay. Or, there are flight restrictions that won't allow the crew to fly home. Even here in the US, on a US flag ship, with US crew, we have had crew changes stopped for over a month, and they are just starting up again, but some ports are still not allowing US crew to leave a ship. The cruise ship crew are starting to get home via charter flights (a hundred or so crew at a time), or by the cruise line using their own ships to take them home. My point is, that there are over 9 times the number of "stuck" cruise crew that are "stuck" on merchant ships, whose companies don't have the resources to make charter flights or hire a cruise ship to take their crews home. Many of these crew are reaching the statutory time limit for working on a ship, 11 months, and when they start leaving the ships, and the ships cannot bring in new crew to replace them, the ships will stop moving, and the 80% of the world's trade that travels by sea will start to slow down, and then there will be a real recession.
So you agree the CDC order applies only to cruise ships.
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15 hours ago, chengkp75 said:
All of the cruise ship crew are merchant mariners, and everyone talks about all the cruise ship crew who are "stuck" on their ships, but there are far more than the cruise ship crews who are in the exact same situation.
And, besides, your thread title is about crew getting home, not starting up cruises.
Chief the CDC order refers to cruise ships only carrying 250 or more guests and crew.
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Fake News by...……...
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8 minutes ago, gatour said:
I agree with it having to do with issuing refunds etc.
However the CDC can lift the no-sail rule at anytime before expiration or as expiration approaches, they can extend it.
Read your statement as, whenever the cruise lines have complied with the CDC order.
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33 minutes ago, fdthird said:
I have yet to see any talk of the logistics of getting the ships ready to restart cruising. Imagine the logistics of starting up an entire cruise line??? I doubt very much if they'd be able to staff the entire fleet at a moments notice. Travel for thousands of ship's crew, hotel staff, bar and restaurant staff, rehearsals for entertainers...the thought is mind boggling! If and when cruising starts again, I'd expect to see it start with a few ships, with limited options on the ships and perhaps reduced staff. No doubt in my mind that it's going to be very different, whenever it starts!
Not to mention renovating the ship clinic to a mini hospital. Setting up the hospital ship and residence ship for quarantine.
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We believe Parks' profitability will be impaired for a longer period of time given the lingering effects of the outbreak and now assume an opening date of Jan. 1 as our base case," Hodulik wrote. "That said, the economic recession plus the need for social distancing, new health precautions, the lack of travel and crowd aversion are likely to make this business less profitable until there is a widely available vaccine."
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2 minutes ago, Biker19 said:
This - I mentioned this in a few other threads - it was a slow news day and the folks at the web site probably had some bored intern look up RCI's schedule and post it as to which ships and when RCI will resume sailing, nothing there is from RCI. They did the same for another cruise line a couple of days earlier.
Hey Pal, Can l ask what news is there about Host Bob. No more here in this boards.
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They must think we are all very stupid and clowns
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Still looking forward to cruising in coming month?
in Royal Caribbean International
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That is when the no sail order would expire.
But before the cruise industry can do anything to cruise again they have this horrendous problem about disembarking their crew.
They are stymied by this as the crew are getting sicker and sicker. Some would say I am an alarmist. So be it.