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2 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

That is not know and in all likelyhood it will be good for much longer.

 

I am really tired of people presenting the unknown as fact.

This ^1

2 hours ago, coffeebean said:

It is recommended to get vaccinated after you have had Covid

And that actually quotes the CDC. And they say wear 2 masks. You believe one but not the other?

2 hours ago, cruisinggrandma57 said:

The shot is only good for a year and you can also get it with the shot.

 

We really don’t know that yet. Same with how long your Antibodies last. It would be nice to know. 
 

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2 hours ago, cruisinggrandma57 said:

I didn't get the vaccine because I had the virus. The shot is to prevent you from getting it. So why should I have to get the shot to cruise when you don't need the shot to fly.

 

Have you been checked for Antibodies?  Might be a good idea to check them on a regular basis. I’d be interested in finding out how long they last. 
 

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2 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

antibodies from having the virus do not last very long and then you are susceptible again.

Actually, I think the data is beginning to show it’s longer than originally thought. Having said that, I still think they should get vaccinated. 
 

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3 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Listen to yourself please. On the one hand you're saying get over it but on the other you're on pretty much every single thread here whining about unvaccinated kids still being allowed to cruise. Time for a long look in the mirror. 

Bravo!!!!

12 minutes ago, molly361 said:

The numbers on our county don't seem to be declining

They are not spiking either. Saw 200 positive yesterday. Haven’t seen today’s numbers yet. 
 

Edited to add. 216 for Volusia 

25 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Actually, as of yesterday, NY was 14th best, Florida 13th worst.  I have many friends in Florida.  I worry about their well being.

What about the business in your State?  What about all the unemployed?  What about those losing their home or apartment? Can’t pay bills? Don’t they matter?

We are safe and sound and I appreciate you being concerned for us. Thank you. 
 

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46 minutes ago, Dawniepoo said:

I have come to learn that yes, we in Florida appear to be living differently than other states. Everything is open. Masks may not be mandated, but every establishment that I have been to over this whole pandemic requires a mask to enter. The only time I've seen people without masks was last weekend when I made the mistake of visiting I-drive where the tourists are in Orlando. I never go there and I was shocked at the amount of people congregating without masks. 

We wear our mask for the most part indoors at a business. Two weeks ago Bikeweek, we saw very few masks. We had nearly 500k people in town for both Bikeweek and Spring Break. Still waiting for that surge to happen. 😇

22 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

And why should it matter how many people are in that vaccinated group? It is either safe or it isn't for vaccinated to be together unmasked.

 

Then they wonder why many people question or ignore the CDC recommendations.

But wait. That wouldn’t be following the control. 

43 minutes ago, yogimax said:

As of yesterday, Florida had a positivity rate of 13th worst out of 50 states.  That means 37 states are doing the same or better.  Not very successful if you ask me

Thanks you for proving my point. The FACTS are, Florida is the 3rd most populous State based on 2010 census and will gain significant numbers off 2020 census. Look at this list. Look at the list of States in lockdown. Great to be 13th in this case. We have not been in lockdown so why are we 13th?

Edited to add. Actually Florida is ranked 15, not 13. 
 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-covid-19-test-positivity-rates-july-14.html

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9 minutes ago, TheMastodon said:

 

I just don't see that population of folks being large enough to make a negative impact.  Most of us are reasonable people who follow regulations/directives with Covid... Just think about your life - how many people do you know who are anti-mask?  I hang/do business with a lot of different folks and everyone I know wears masks and follows guidance.  Yes, I question some of this stuff because I don't believe it really makes a difference but I still mask up and do my part.  

 

Again, the media blows up the anti-mask, anti-science, covid denier crowds but I just don't think overall there are that many of those people amongst us.  

 

 

 

 

I’m not anti mask and I wear one where appropriate or required by business. Their store, their rules. I’ve also been vaccinated. W3 choose to get vaccinated so we could get out and travel and take a vacation. 

About the only thing helpful is since we haven’t traveled this year, we saved a bunch of money and are putting it towards our new home build. We had a $40k River Cruise all in cancelled due to Covid and to date, a couple of cruises now cancelled. 
 

We typically spend the week before Christmas in NYC. That didn’t happen and not sure when we will do it again. 
 

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10 minutes ago, broberts said:

 

I don't suppose you think some of the blame rests with the anti mask, anti lockdown prosthelytizers?

Just use Florida as an example. Been unlocked since Summer 2020. Almost a year. Florida is an example of what works. No mask mandate by State. No penalty or fine for not wearing one. Restaurants and Bars open.  ICU bed availability is normal for this time of year (snowbirds). 
 

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52 minutes ago, TheMastodon said:

 

Hopefully soon everything is out the window and we can get back on the ocean!  Such a tease sitting down in Ft. Lauderdale Marriott Beach Club looking at the ships coming and going last week 😞 

I hear Michigan is having a huge spike. Isn’t Michigan in a partial lock down?  Florida has been open and handled Speed Weeks, Bikeweek, and ongoing Spring Break. I do see Miami with issues with Spring Breakers. Miami is unlike most other areas in Florida. 
 

Here is Michigan current restrictions. 
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-100467_100913---,00.html

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For those vaccinated, it doesn’t appear the viral load is enough to infect others for COVID19. 
 

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37 minutes ago, WxNerd said:

Passport is required for everyone reentering the US by air. Different rules of you enter the country by land or sea. 
 

https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-3618?language=en_US

Thanks. Looks like Air travel is different that by boat (Sea). 

39 minutes ago, mek said:

Well I certainly have never wanted to exclude kids because I don't want them on a ship - perhaps some people feel that way, but I don't.

Any summer cruises this year will require passports and I wonder just how many children have them?  My guess is most people haven't got them for children to cruise from the US in the past and now suddenly they will have to spend extra money for one and I think that will prevent a lot of people sailing with their children this summer outside of the US.

People here on CC may respond back that they have passports for their kids, but I don't think that is the norm.

I’m not sure what the requirements are for kids to cruise out of Nassau. I thought the Bahamas didn’t require a passport for kids. I used to travel by boat to the Bahamas and my kids didn’t require a passport. Matter of fact, I didn’t have a passport at the time. Just a driver’s license and I “think” my kids just required a birth certificate. Rules may have changed. 
 

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1 hour ago, crewsweeper said:

And neither of the current administrations policies are backed by science or actual historical experience data.  All based on early  supposition of how other types of viruses have behaved. 

It’s called control. 
 

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1 hour ago, CILCIANRQTS said:

 

So you think it’s a conspiracy??

Would that be Deep State or just regular??

Why require vaccinations at all if you’re also going to board unvaccinated carriers?

Not a conspiracy. Look at the data from the CDC about school age kids. The cases show that it’s the teachers and staff that have issues and infect others. If you are vaccinated, it shouldn’t matter. 

Also, a mask shouldn’t be required. 
 

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1 minute ago, coffeebean said:

Actually no if the 70+ is vaccinated. Vaccination is a game changer for everyone, including seniors.

What about the 5%?  You even mentioned it. Very few kids get sick but 5% of adults vaccinated could get sick and a 70+ is more likely to have a more severe reaction than a kid. 
 

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15 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Gotta look for silver linings. Yours is probably banning smoking in casino😉

Royal is a family oriented cruise line. Smoking banned in the Casino would be a great thing.  I fully expect kids to sail regardless of vaccine or not. 

28 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Let's not forget that the 70+ year olds will be vaccinated. 95% of vaccinated people will NOT become infected and of those who do contract the disease, many will not have any symptoms. I think I would bet my money on the vaccinated older folks to have less infection transmission than children under 18.

But if someone was to get sick, isn’t the 70+ more likely to struggle with Covid than a 10 year old?

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24 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

I can't seem to find any data that states children have less viral load than adults. I would imagine there must be some tests that have that data you speak of otherwise children would not be able to go back to in person learning in schools.

 

BUT........What about these?...

Children as silent spreaders of Sars Cov2

 

Kids have more viral rna in their ariways than adults

 

Viral loads in young children.........

 

 

 

Two of these links are from August 2020. If you’re vaccinated, it shouldn’t matter if kids are onboard. 
 

Here is the CDC’s current position of Covid and kids. Read down for the part how has Covid spread in schools. The data seems to show that it’s the teachers and staff responsible for most outbreaks in schools. 
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/transmission_k_12_schools.html

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9 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Many folks feel unvaccinated children are a problem, not just Ace. 

 

Just sayin 🤷 

I wonder how many of those “folks” are using this just to keep kids off the ships. That maybe they don’t ever like kids on the ship. It’s going to be summer cruises and summer vacation. Expect kids. 

46 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

I think you missed my point that those 16, 17 and 18 year olds are mature enough to have kids of their own. Those "kids" can have the same viral load as any un-vaccinated adult, IMHO.

I don’t believe that and the current data doesn’t support your opinion. 
 

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