Thanks for the insights, Russiamomm! We typically get balcony or mini-suites then buy Vibe passes so thats money we'd be saving on Vibe! Bummer there's no hot tubs though we like the quite area and the bar so that still sounds like a win for us! Plus we are doing Caribbean so it should be warm. We must sail Joy one day, we got covid when we were booked on her to Bermuda, we were sure that would have been the time we were able to upgrade to Haven. - LoL!