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Agree, if you book now you know restrictions are coming and should plan for them. I'm referring to those of us that booked before the restrictions. A future cruise credit is useless if you don't plan on cruising until the restrictions are lifted, if they ever are.

I'll probably get flamed but I agree with the OP. With these changes that were not part of your original booking then you are not getting what you thought you were buying and should be entitled to a full refund. I wouldn't care if it was just changing the itinerary but changing the rules for excursions or being able to leave the ship on your own, masks, etc, is quite different. Many folks would have never booked with the restrictions that appear to be coming, us included, and therefore would not have paid those deposits to start with.

That being said, I canceled a November cruise a few days before final payment was due because I expect the restrictions and don't feel that is the kind of cruise we would want to take nor would we have booked. Carnival told me no refund unless they canceled the cruise so apparently we're SOL. If restrictions are still in place for our April cruise we will be canceling that one as well.

Our next booked cruise is to Bermuda in April. If there are restrictions on excursions, leaving the ship, etc, we won't be going. 

1 hour ago, SelectSys said:

I think it is natural for the industry to push for what is in their commercial interest.  I also believe the impact of the industry to certain economies such as South Florida is not insignificant when it all gets put together.  However, I just don't see cruising coming back in any big way for some time to come.  Maybe a demonstration cruise or two will be done by year end at best.  

 

Here is a graphic illustrating the cruise industry impact in the US as reported by the industry trade group - https://cruising.org/en/news-and-research/press-room/2019/november/cruise-industry-contributes-nearly-53-billion-to-us-economy-in-2018#:~:text=Direct Impact%3A %2423.96 billion in,of consumer goods and services -

But the cruise industry doesn't contribute much to the economy, at least according to some.

We are also a couple that has never been sick while on a cruise or shortly after. I guess both of us would be considered susceptible as I am diabetic and wife has COPD. And yes, we will continue to cruise even in todays environment. 

On 8/23/2020 at 3:54 PM, pinto18 said:

My son flew from CA to NYC after they made the requirement of 14 days quarantine with large fines levied...got off the plane..into the city with no questions asked, nothing to sign..

I also know of someone that has flown into and out of NY twice from NC  since this quarantine has been instigated and supposedly enforced. No questions were asked of him at all. Seems the NY authorities would obviously be aware the flight came in from Charlotte NC (a state on the list) but no one seemed to care.

On 8/16/2020 at 3:36 AM, sverigecruiser said:

 

If mask wearing is mandatory it doesn't matter for me if the cruise industry sinks because I won't cruise anyway.  

Bingo!

4 hours ago, sanger727 said:

I agree, but a reasonable follow up question is if cancelling was given to them as a choice. If you are past final

payment and get a notice a few weeks before sailing of the new rules; and they don’t give you the option to cancel for FCC and/or a refund; they will end up with people who have no intentions of following the rules. That’s not fair to find out at the last minute that there are rules in place that would have stopped you from booking had you known. Hopefully cruise lines will give people the option when they do the final roll out.

I agree with you on this, especially the high lighted line. What I don't agree with is FCC, you should get a full refund of any monies paid. An FCC is of no use to me if I do not intend to cruise again under the new rules. 

Well, you state that  you knew what you were buying, so if you don't agree with the contract then do as you suggest, don't sign it. I don't need the government to make that choice for me.

My opinion and mine alone. If people want to book far ahead to get prime upgrades on airlines, cruises, etc, then that's the chance they take and it is on them. No one is forced to book so far out by the company. If someone has multiple trips cancelled and continues to keep booking, that too is on them. Consumers have some responsibility for their own actions. It's not all on the seller.

According to the news, that ship did indeed sail on Friday.

Just looked, no problem finding a cruise. Might have been a temporary glitch.

If it was a non refundable, such as early saver, and you cancel, then you will lose the deposit. If Carnival cancels you should get it back since they are not providing the cruise you paid the deposit on.

No price drops for us. Our Nov cruise sold out a while ago and our April cruise has increased $200.

Amazing, apparently people that don't agree with your opinion must be stupid. Got a bit of an ego do you? Despite what you might think, like it or not, you are not the final word on what's what, nor are you smarter than everyone else.

Except no actual fact has been presented.

Some people seem to think they are the only ones informed and their opinion is the only one that counts. Oh well, too bad if they are annoyed. Their I'm right attitude is tiresome.

"but one way aisles do have SOME effect in reducing inter-personal contact." 

Again, where's the data that proves this? Pure speculation. Just because you, or someone else, claims it works doesn't make it so. It certainly doesn't appear to reduce contact in any store I have been in so... Do I do it, if possible yes, but with flexibility to not do it depending on circumstances. Do I believe it makes any difference, no, not really but I don't have any data either way.

Where do we find the data that specifically proves that one way aisles equates to a reduced infection rate? If one way aisles were the only thing being done then you could say it was data. Unless it can be proven its just speculation, not data.

In my opinion this whole one way aisle thing is ridiculous. We go down an aisle, (following the arrow) and there are a half a dozen others in the aisle, I'm not supposed to pass them because there will be less than 6 feet between us and they are standing there trying to decide what item they want. If I do pass them then  I'm taking the chance of getting the virus from being too close. Sorry, I'm not standing around waiting for the aisle to clear, I'll pass them or turn around and disregard the stupid arrows.

On a ship it's even more ridiculous. If my cabin is at the end, or even middle, of a dead end corridor how can I only go one way? Either I can go down to enter my room or reverse that to get out of my room. You can't do both if it's one way. If cabin corridors are not one way then why bother with other corridors? You'll be passing many other folks in your cabin corridor any way. Besides, on some ships, if the corridor you're on is one way then you have to go a different route to get to other areas because they are the only corridors that lead to where you are heading.

Sometimes rules, or whatever else you want to call them, are not thought out or truly beneficial, they're just a knee jerk reaction to make people think something good is being done.

JMHO

For a short while they did cut the final payment date for some trips to 30 days prior to your cruise. I have since tried to get that change and have had no luck.

Drive to the port. Whether we stay in a hotel or dine out pre cruise depends on when we go.

1 hour ago, BRWolf said:

PS: DH and I are booked on the Pride to Bermuda in April 2021. We should make it this time!!

 

 

We are booked on the 4/18/21 to Bermuda.  First Carnival cruise.

We're on that cruise as well, 40th anniversary gift to ourselves. If they bring back that thing about needing a Drs note if you are over 70, we'll just say, 'ask him, he's in the adjacent cabin.' 😃

It really is a personal preference but you can count us amongst the folks that stay at one of the hotels near the airport. Many have free shuttles from the airport to the hotel, but if not, taxis are inexpensive for such a short ride. We then then take Cortrans to the port in the morning at $20 per person. We find it to be cheaper and easier this way. 

We also use Cortrans to return to the airport after the cruise.

4 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

Gesundheit!

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