greykitty
-
Posts
760 -
Joined
Content Type
Forums
Store
Blogs
Downloads
Events
Gallery
Posts posted by greykitty
-
-
-
And this gives del Rio the opportunity to put friends and family on the ships as he said he would - see 'volunteers'. Kind of a win/win, yes?
That's a good point about the simulated cruises - will the lines have to demonstrate how they'd execute everything on both their 'best' ships and their 'worst' ships? I would think so. But maybe the first physical sailings can be on their 'best' ships?
And I know I still want to see signed sealed and delivered agreements and contracts with on land medical facilities.
Going to make a cup of tea and go through the document more slowly.
-
46 minutes ago, Pcardad said:
What date did I pick in our betting pool....April 10 from Miami to Miami?
I was curious and looked - and based on my quick skim of the new conditional sailing order, and looking at COVID rates, I'm conservatively thinking you're pretty spot on. If we're fortunate.
On 5/2/2020 at 12:39 PM, Pcardad said:April 1, 2021
-
Conditional sailing order - haven't gotten through the 40 page PDF yet.
-
Oh, sorry - this article shows Costa is also amending their schedule - now, supposing the Big 3 are utilizing the European sailings as 'beta tests' to gain data, as well as provide a product to European customers, I'm thinking this might give them some pause?
AIDA's sister line, Costa Cruises, which has also been sailing in Italy and had a cluster of COVID-19 cases emerge on board, does not plan to stop sailing, Frizzell said.
That said, the cruise line issued a schedule update on Wednesday, canceling some upcoming sailings. The adjustments come "considering the limitations still in place in some European countries, and in light of the current epidemiological situation," according to a news release.
-
AIDA put the breaks on in Germany. Honestly, and I realize the CDC is probably under enormous political pressure, I don't see how they scientifically or medically can lift the order. Lord knows we're still in a public health emergency in the US (and a lot of other countries).
I'm not even sure cruise lines would welcome a return to sailing - one major outbreak and they're really toast, I think.
Logistically, have the lines executed any of the 74 points in the NCL/RCL healthy panel? I thought the medical care, especially on line, points would be pretty high hurdles to get signed, sealed and delivered, but maybe they all are?
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/cruise-line-cancels-november-trips
-
RCL earnings call transcript - perhaps of interest for the heathy sale panel and since RCL and NCL seem to have been partnering quite a bit
-
The CDC doesn't control that activity? That said, go governor of whatever state that event took place in!
To be clear, second sentence was totally sarcastic.
-
Is Regent/NCL still supposed to provide updates at the end of each month? I've lost track, to be honest.
-
Any group can employ lobbyists, fair enough.
-
France and Germany appear to be back into substantial lockdown.
My own state had done well for a while...now, thanks rapidly rising rates and 'rebellion' by those who appear to be pandemic fatigued or just not willing to accept what's happening, IMO, we're plunging back into closures. And, haven't even hit the 'let's all get together without masks' holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas.
I wish professionals in so many agencies the strength to follow their principles, no matter what pressures they feel from 'higher up'.
-
Ok, it's Princess but this isn't a good sign, I think
Personally, I wouldn't be optimistic about cruise travel til second quarter 2021 at the earliest. Then again, 2020 has been filled with events that would have been unbelievable in the most far out Tom Clancy novels.
-
Nothing really new in this release, I think, summing up various lines' status and hopes at this point, but I did think it was a nice digest. I'm personally assuming we'll see some sort of hail mary pitch in the US prior to November 3 to start cruising from Florida, but with so many of VP Pence's staff in COVID positive restrictions, who knows what movement there might be, IMO.
del Rio said:
At Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings, President and CEO Frank Del Rio has said it would take at least 60 days to get a ship sail-ready.
Norwegian Cruise Line, Oceania Cruises and Regent Seven Seas Cruises have suspended service through November, and Del Rio has stated he's in ' no rush to be the first one out of the gate,' adding: 'I want to do things correctly.'
And health & safety panel chair Gottlieb said
Meanwhile, coronavirus cases and hospitalizations are on the rise stateside, with former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb, Healthy Sail Panel co-chair, warning Sunday on 'Face the Nation' that the US is at a 'dangerous tipping point.'
https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/ship-operations/us-based-cruise-industry-waiting-game
-
Cruise ship in Japan doing a trial run
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/10/26/national/japan-cruise-ships-resuming-domestic-services/
-
5 hours ago, TeeRick said:
The Astra Zeneca vaccine has been cleared by the FDA to resume the US Phase 3 trial. Very good news!
Is this after the Brazil report? Although it seems unclear about what exactly happened? I saw an article that said never before has vaccine development been parsed daily in the press....no wonder it's hard to keep track of real developments.
-
NCLH earnings report expected November 5.
-
From what I've read, several of the vaccines need to be transported and stored at extreme cold temperatures - I've seen numbers from -4 F to - 94 F. This is far more difficult that the usual cold storage needed for many vaccines. Not sure every local Walgreens will be able to manage -94 F temps. That said, a lot of companies are ramping up based on what they expect/hope will happen with a successful vaccine.
Also, if two doses are required, it'll be a logistical issue to track each person receiving the shot and ensuring they show up on time for shot 2. There were issues with Shingrix with people missing the recommended window for shot 2, especially the first year of availability.
Or, will they turn stadiums, schools, etc., into inoculation centers? Almost hearkening back to the polio vaccines and mass inoculations (sugar cubes back then). Will they expand who can give inoculations beyond the current personnel?
Lots of infrastructure to consider, even if all goes well.
Then you've got the whole probably tiered inoculation administration. I'm still guessing HCW and first responders, essential workers of whatever industry, then those 'civilians' with age and/or chronic conditions that put them more at risk, etc etc. How will those designations be assigned and verified?
I remember some years back when the flu vaccine was scarce - I have Type 2 diabetes so did get to 'skip to the head of the line', but had to show physician's statement.
A local pharmacy tech did tell me a month ago her nationwide chain was being kept in the loop and trying to work out best working practices.
I have read that Medicare will cover any vaccine for its recipients. Hopefully all the major US insurers will follow, and subsidized inoculations for those who cannot afford insurance in the US>
-
MSC Grandiosa as well?
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-malta-cruiseship-idUSL8N2H74VM
Costa
https://cruiseradio.net/mediterranean-cruise-ends-early-over-worsening-outbreak-in-france/
And another tragic story if confirmed
And an interview with MSC - wonder if they went back for an immediate follow up, but the MSC guy did say limited sailing
-
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9573390682
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-about-masks-citing-cdc-study-n1243562/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-about-masks-citing-cdc-study-n1243562
But I'm sure people did their own source verification....
-
2
-
-
A misinterpretation of the CDC study has gone virulent on some social media, further muddling facts. One of the people repeating the incorrect claim is Donald Trump.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-masks-194453508.html
-
-
@vera/lee, hopefully someone who knows for sure will weigh in soon, but I really thought the color coded charts and such dealt only with repatriation of crew. I would guess that getting crew onto ships in preparation for passenger sailings would be one of the items mentioned in the 74 point document submitted to the CDC, and hopefully all the lines have figured out the logistics and are ready to present the detailed plans to the CDC on request? But I thought the color coding for allowance of crew to transit the US was really a separate program - but could well be wrong
But, you're right I think that the cruise lines are taking baby steps toward what will be allowed regarding US ports with the safe sailing suggestions. Be interesting to see what the actual implementation measures are on the various ships, wouldn't it?
-
1
-
-
@vera/lee, I thought that site deals only with crew being safe to disembark, not a ship's readiness to sail with passengers to or from US ports?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html
A response plan under the No Sail Order that is complete and accurate
- This does not mean ships are allowed to resume passenger travel, but rather that they have met CDC’s requirements to provide a safe environment for crew members to work and to disembark crew safely by non-commercial travel.
- Cruise company officials must sign an acknowledgment of the completeness and accuracy of their response plan.
....
Meeting these criteria does not mean cruise ships can resume passenger operations. We don’t have enough information at this time to say when it will be safe to resume sailing with passengers. Cruise lines may need to establish additional safety measures before sailing with passengers is permitted to resume. CDC will continue to evaluate and update its recommendations as the situation evolves
-
Re legionella, from what I've read there's great concern especially as buildings are being reopened, if proper maintenance was not done along the way. I agree, so much news it's incredibly difficult to keep up, let alone verify how authoritative the news really is.
Also,
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/legionella-discovered-at-miamisburg-hospital/ar-BB19MXNG
CDC extends no-sail order for cruises until Oct. 1
in Regent Seven Seas Cruises
Posted
On page 24 does say none of the volunteers for the test sailings can have preexisting conditions that would place them at high risk re COVID. I know that would let me out - but guessing it also excludes a lot of people who would 'parallel' a big chunk of the typical cruise ship demographics. Am I reading and extrapolating correctly?
But makes sense, definitely, IMO.