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1 hour ago, GA Dave said:
The news is encouraging and as a larger for the best interested of community or humanity if and when we get some agency's certifying them as safe then I'd think many should get it if available
But how anyone knows something last a year when it isn't even been out a year is laughable.
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1 minute ago, sgmn said:
We are in middle of a four week lockdown in England. No salons, gyms, essential shops only, work from home if possible, essential trips only, no pubs, restaurants or coffee shops open. Take away only. But not as strict as the first lockdown. In France my cousin says they are only allowed one hour exercise within a kilometer of home and have to print off a timed form before the walk which has to be shown if asked by police to explain why they are out. Fines of 135 euro for non compliance
So how does the general population feel about this, exhausted and accepting, or in rebellion ?
I know the US with the love of freedom/liberty that this would cause a lot of friction especially as you know 47% of the population feel it is a hoax or were cheated.
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Vaccine is still going to be another 9 months or so, winter looks worst than grim. Leadership won’t make a change till February at the earliest.
Ships lined up for the junkyard and I could see Carnival debt become junk status.
Any predictions when real cruising will start w/o an outbreak killing the party ?
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4 hours ago, Earthworm Jim said:
It could just be a fluke thing. But the fact that they still had a case despite all the pre-cruise testing is worrisome for the prospect of larger ships resuming Caribbean cruises.
the whole pandemic is a fluke, yeah do you understand biology and disease math?-
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13 hours ago, Calnev1 said:
The Sea Dream, a smaller ship sailing out of Barbados. Interesting that they require two COVID tests before boarding, but after boarding do not require masks.
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1 hour ago, Laszlo said:
Keep in mind people their is very likely to be at least a half dozen more vaccines coming online in the next 2-3 months. The big question will be is which one to get with all things being equal
More interesting is short term press doesn't imply long term health effects or efficacy will hold. Sadly the one that is first gets all the press but hopefully doesn't detract from the other efforts. Unlike somethings there might be more than one good cure.
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1 hour ago, yogimax said:
There's a difference between "growth" and "speculative." To me, growth is defined as something taking place over a period of years.
Tesla is purely speculative.
How about BeyondMeat, AMD, Nvidia, Amazon, the list is long, LOL
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4 hours ago, Baron Barracuda said:
CCL took advantage of yesterday's vaccine driven price jump to file for $1.5B stock sale. CCL down 15% today on that news. Wouldn't be surprised if RCL follows suit.
Easy money, hope somebody was greedy and not to greedy, LOL
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On 11/8/2020 at 10:32 PM, caribill said:
The death rate may be about the same, but the number of cases is significantly higher for Covid-19 and thus many more deaths at the same death rate.
So far in about eight months 238,000 people in the USA have died from Covid-19 and its complications. Per the CDC in 2019 there were about 22,000 deaths in the USA from flu and its complications. So Covid-19 is killing over 10 times the number of people that flu does.
In about eight months time it is if the entire population of cities such as Lubbock, Texas or Irvine, California or Winston-Salem, North Carolina or Baton Rouge, Louisiana had disappeared.
And how many of those studies were about masks being of little use against Covid-19 which did not exist for all but one of the last 70 years of studies you are referencing?
The actual impact of COVID is far higher, look at the statistics of historical deaths compared to deaths in 2020 and almost in every country the number is far higher than the stated COVID deaths. There is so much collateral damage, sick people avoiding going to get treatment resulting in early death, to miss-diagnosis, etc. etc.
Regardless world travel, leisure travel will forever be a little different as well cruising and self serve buffets, all for the better. Sad it took such a impact to get people to change, but such is it.
Hopefully wearing a mask will become more accepted in the West as it is in the East
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9 hours ago, Daniel A said:
People who drive drunk and get caught are arrested and criminally prosecuted. Are we going to start jailing people who don't wear a mask? What if they still don't wear a mask while in jail? Fining people just puts more money into the government's hands and fines are really more of a tax on unlawful conduct.
So, how do you suggest we enforce a mask mandate?
People who don't want to risk their health by being in a smoking environment generally just don't go to places where smoking is permitted.
I think in normal times, like on a plane when not wearing a seat belt, you are nicely asked, or entering a store w/o shoes or shirt, asked nicely to leave
During times like now where there is a pandemic and people dying, I think fine/arrest is appropriate.
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15 hours ago, caribill said:
What others do concerning masks can make the difference for you to catch the virus or not.
When others decide not to wear masks, you could die from it.
Isn't it nice that now we have leadership that is a little more promoting of good behavior!
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3 hours ago, franktown said:
Down today over 12% as Carnival plans to raise more cash by selling stock. Not good news for investors as it dilutes the shares but I guess they need the funds.
LOL, the fundamentals are terrible thru middle of next year, those looking for a quick buck, how you got out.
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2 hours ago, sfaaa said:
Agree considering Taiwan receives no assistance and is repeatedly snubbed by WHO. It's quite remarkable Taiwan manages to pull it off all on its own.
Leadership, discipline and the fact they are isolated by most countries, makes for resilience that most western societies are notably lacking.
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23 hours ago, lenquixote66 said:
I heard on the radio today that people are flocking to the Chatham Islands because they have not had one case of Covid.Is anyone planning to go there ?
They will have cases soon, tell me a place nobody is going, that is safer, beside the US of course or any Western European country, LOL
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Reality suggests that a widely available vaccine where enough of the population get vaccinated won't happen till middle of next year, I think there will be some travel/cruising before that.
Western countries have shown failure to be able to be disciplined as we are seeing with the new spikes everywere, so there will be cruises.
No the reality is there will be a very large group of anti vaccinators enough so such that unless there is testing as well as vaccine requirements we most certainly have outbreaks again and again till 2022.
Now would I cruise before getting vaccine, yes. I've already made a handful of flights, would go to Canada if allowed, and plan to do Hawaii shortly, of course take the test too.
But I can see how many the older, obese and unhealthy should be cautious, after all if they catch it their chance of death, pretty high, stay home and wear that mask!
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On 10/21/2020 at 12:05 PM, bigrednole said:
MSC cruises did this exact thing for their cruises. Everyone on the shuttle was denied boarding when 1 person on the shuttle tested positive. I expect ports in the US to have to do the same thing. Shuttles will be required to have a manifest that is loaded into a database for all cruise ships at a port. If any one person tests positive, the cruise ships will need to block boarding of those passengers. It will be interesting to see how they manage this when cruising does restart. It could be that the ports do not allow shuttles with guests from multiple ships. One shuttle, one ship type thing.
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18 hours ago, Cruzaholic41 said:
I think that is true of the world, not just specifically Americans.
There seems to be a problematic trend with most western cultures where freedom/liberty and selfishness becomes blurred versus sacrifice for the larger society of many eastern cultures-
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On 10/28/2020 at 8:17 AM, c-boy said:
" There is always hope, but we as a country need to unify and start TODAY to put mitigation in place, it ain't going to be mitigated by WARP speed vaccination, it will be suffocated by unification of purpose of the people."
since it appears that " mitigation " is not working and the public in general refuses to be corralled, I'm going with mandatory vaccinations.
Vaccines alone will NOT be enough, efficacy, need for multiple dose, and the large # of people who refuse putting something in their body versus on their body. I am more sympathetic to the people who are skeptical of the WARP speed results and less so those who shun masks for science, and those for freedom, just call them selfish and stupid.
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47 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said:
From what a lot of posters here have indicated,, and from the fact that there are very many throughout the US who seem to deny the reality of COVID (as evidenced by reluctance to wear masks or practice social distancing) I believe that with attractive pricing many cruise ships could sail next week as fully loaded as might be permitted.
I personally believe that such sailings would lead to further spread - but that only a massive uptick in hospitalizations and deaths (as might already be coming) will change the minds of COVID-deniers on a large scale.
The overflowing hospital during the first half of the year along the East coast and Southern US, and now Mid-West, hmm all made up
Who needs test to see the impact, amazing lack of deduction, people are like mushrooms.
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17 hours ago, Cruzaholic41 said:
That’s a pointless chart. It only says they know people, but it doesn’t take in to account where the people are with symptoms. I live in FL and always wear my mask in public, but all the people I know with symptoms are in other states (CA, NY, and OH). I don’t know anyone in FL with symptoms.
And even so, it just says symptoms. That could mean anything. Again, pointless chart.
I leave it to the readers ability to think and deduce, your concusion is interesting and says it all, LOL
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On 10/20/2020 at 8:40 AM, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:
They indicate you and anyone in your group will not be allowed to board if you or anyone with you test positive. If you park off site and take a shuttle or bus to the ship and you are tested positive. They indicate everyone on the bus or shuttle will not be allowed to board. Will they have the names of everyone that were on the bus or shuttle? What happens to everyone then? I see a lot of what if's. We always park off site. Guess to play it safe we will park at the pier next time.
Think this thru and you realize testing is only one leg of a much larger required mitigation / containment strategy. The holes are larger as you noted and for such large group as thousands, if one tested there are likely other infected that go undetected on the ship and viola you got a Zandaam or Diamond repeat. What has happened in Europe already.
Biology can't be cheated, there is no warp speed and rejection of science that can evade the facts of the pandemic. There is NO economy or Pandemic choice, there is only one choice, the longer people and governments think there is a choice, the longer this mess continues and the longer I have to wait to do international travel and vacation/cruise, sigh
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2 hours ago, sail7seas said:
Many places of business have posted signs on their entry doors, " No mask/ face covering: No service"
'DO NOT enter without wearing a mask or face covering."
And many liberty / freedom believers think they are strong, brave, and protectors of liberty and thus have the right to ignore those posted signs or rules in private establishments, how sad and low some minority extremist have been brainwashed to believe.
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6 hours ago, Hlitner said:
Whenever anything bad happens we all have this tendency to find a scapegoat. The government often gets the blame. In the case of COVID it is just against the trend to accept that any virus goes wherever it pleases and there is little any government can do unless you are on an island that can be isolated from earth (like New Zealand). If you look around the world none of the other approaches (lock downs, no lock downs, more testing, etc) has done much good. The various efforts only seem to delay or shift the inevitable coming of COVID. The blame game makes us all feel a little better (it is always somebody else's fault) but does little to forestall the fact that the virus wins.
I have suggested from last March that we must learn how to live with COVID just like we have learned to live with other bugs. With COVID not only do we have to deal with the virus but now must deal with the fallout from letting the world economy go to hell. So here we are more then 10 months into this pandemic with many ruined economies and we still have the virus! Whether any of what society has done really saved any lives is a question for historians. But much of what we do now is so silly as to defy logic...and yet most do it without question. Take masks. Wearing a N95 or KN95 mask does help prevent the spread of any virus. Wearing these silly single layer fabric masks are near worthless (viruses can go through that stuff without any problem). Social distancing is fine, but 6 feet of separation is not nearly enough (this has been proven by real experiments and tests) but even the authorities cannot figure out how to run the world if we had to keep 15 feet from all souls.
How can we possibly have a safe cruise environment? Social distancing (to the extent necessary) is impossible on a large cruise ship. The only certain way would be to somehow be 100% sure that everyone was virus free when they boarded and then not allow anyone off the ship anywhere. Everything else is high risk and we can see the result in Europe where just about every cruise ship that is operating has had instances of COVID.
So now, most of us must wait patiently for a safe/effective vaccine. The anti-vaxers also wait for a safe/effective vaccine and pray that everyone else gets it and they reap the benefit. If there is never a safe/effective vaccine the world will ultimately have no choice but to adjust to a COVID world and most of us will get on with our lives. Actually, many of us have already gotten on with our lives while others continue to "hide in their basements" until there is a vaccine or they finally get tired of their basements. DW and I do live our life but we also follow the crowd and wear our masks (which are either N95 or KN95), social distance, and also use a lot of common sense. Going out to restaurants where we live is quite safe (plenty of social distancing) and we can enjoy those moments while feeling bad for places like NYC where the government attitude is to bankrupt 10s of thousands of restaurants, their owners, and their employees. Some travel is fine as long as folks use lots of common sense, follow the rules, avoid the demonstrators (who never follow any rules), etc. But I do think that cruises are a big no-no until (and if) there is a decent vaccine.
Speaking of masks (keep in mind that we do wear them per requirements) there apparently is a very interesting study (done in Denmark) that calls into question all the mask wearing standards. But this particular study has been rejected by all the major medical publications (JAMA, Lancet, etc) without comment. This seems to be another case where a few have decided that "they know best" and "censorship is good." and the public needs to be kept in the dark. Assuming this study shows that most mask wearing is worthless the publication of the study would cause a worldwide fiasco. So when we finally get a real scientific study that information is withheld (for now) from the world. Go figure.https://www.rt.com/news/504219-danish-mask-study-rejected-coronavirus/ . To be very blunt, what scares me a lot more then COVID is this international trend towards censorship and the rejection of debate/discussion and anyone with whom we disagree (i.e. cancel culture).
Hank
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4 hours ago, ColeThornton said:
Well, you know what they say about hindsight. It's not like many had practice with this previously. Live and learn.
The mark of intelligence is to be able to self realize mistakes and admit and correct. We all know how it has gone and if any of the leadership admit it could be done better, if you can't admit it can be done better, will you even try?
SAPPHIRE PRINCESS Redeployment to Taiwan in Spring-Summer 2021
in Princess Cruises
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Cool, I'm lookin forward to doing some bookings on it. I have some great memories on the Sapphire!
A worthy reward for a country and people who got their at together and can now get about and about and enjoy life, sometimes when you band together and sacrifice you are rewarded!