Total ban on smoking? Yes or no

[oldguysandgalls]

A very disturbing trend is developing in our world again in what is tolerated, acceptable, legal, and I believe we are threading on dangerous grounds if we "go after" certain groups. Is history about to repeat itself?Here it is:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

 

"First they came ..." is a popular poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of (edited out) intellectuals following the ( edited out ) rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. In Niemöller's first utterance of it, in a January 6, 1946.

 

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;

 

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;

 

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;

 

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[MMCS Cruiser]

My advice?

Re-Read my post under PS. something about too much cruise critic causes high blood pressure.

 

No problem here.:D

 

Nothing on an internet message board can raise my blood pressure.

[oldguysandgalls]

However....your last line read: quote " Sorry but post like yours makes me very angry " end quote. Thus as we all know anger raises blood pressure. Thus...?

 

No problem here.:D

 

Nothing on an internet message board can raise my blood pressure.

[Captain Jake]

A very disturbing trend is developing in our world again in what is tolerated, acceptable, legal, and I believe we are threading on dangerous grounds if we "go after" certain groups. Is history about to repeat itself?Here it is:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

 

"First they came ..." is a popular poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of (edited out) intellectuals following the ( edited out ) rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. In Niemöller's first utterance of it, in a January 6, 1946.

 

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;

 

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;

 

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;

 

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

:D:D:D:D so whats your point?

You cannot equate this to 1930's fascist.In fact its the opposite.We are saving lives not taking them

:cj

[oldguysandgalls]

My point is simple. Don't put your nose in my business and I will stay out of yours. I am considerate where I smoke for example, because I believe in tolerance and respect for others and I do not impose my will on others who do not share in my pleasure of smoking.

 

It's called mutual respect, tolerance and understanding, and yes Captain Jake, I can equate that what happened in the 1930's/1940's because....I lived through it.

 

If you really wanted to save lives, then STOP the insane, unjustified, by lies promoted war in Iraq. So don't talk to me with that "oh we care for you, we want you to live" but only if you abey OUR rules. Not this time Captain Jake, not this time old chap.

 

 

 

:D:D:D:D so whats your point?

You cannot equate this to 1930's fascist.In fact its the opposite.We are saving lives not taking them

:cj

[oldguysandgalls]

And just one more thing Captain Jake;

 

Smokers have rights too.

 

My point is simple. Don't put your nose in my business and I will stay out of yours. I am considerate where I smoke for example, because I believe in tolerance and respect for others and I do not impose my will on others who do not share in my pleasure of smoking.

 

It's called mutual respect, tolerance and understanding, and yes Captain Jake, I can equate that what happened in the 1930's/1940's because....I lived through it.

 

If you really wanted to save lives, then STOP the insane, unjustified, by lies promoted war in Iraq. So don't talk to me with that "oh we care for you, we want you to live" but only if you abey OUR rules. Not this time Captain Jake, not this time old chap.

[VAL57SMITH]

non-smoker voting NO.

[Captain Jake]

My point is simple. Don't put your nose in my business and I will stay out of yours. I am considerate where I smoke for example, because I believe in tolerance and respect for others and I do not impose my will on others who do not share in my pleasure of smoking.

 

It's called mutual respect, tolerance and understanding, and yes Captain Jake, I can equate that what happened in the 1930's/1940's because....I lived through it.

 

If you really wanted to save lives, then STOP the insane, unjustified, by lies promoted war in Iraq. So don't talk to me with that "oh we care for you, we want you to live" but only if you abey OUR rules. Not this time Captain Jake, not this time old chap.

 

but you are imposing your will on other and are showing a blantant lack of respect when you do.I don't give a darn if you want to risk your health smoking but I do care if your recklessness imposes on mine ol gal

[MMCS Cruiser]

However....your last line read: quote " Sorry but post like yours makes me very angry " end quote. Thus as we all know anger raises blood pressure. Thus...?

 

Sorry, I ment fantasy land internet message board angry.

 

Not real life angry.

 

Sorry again for the mix-up.

[DC2OC]

I find it mind boggfling that someone who equate smoking restrictions to 1930 Germany.Reminds me of the person who said they were starting a group called DAMM-Drunks Against Madd Mothers

[MMCS Cruiser]

And just one more thing Captain Jake;

 

Smokers have rights too.

 

Not at a non US business like a RCI cruise ship.

 

Why don't you try going the pursers desk and demand your Smokers Rights.:D

 

Please come back and let us know how it works out.

[oldguysandgalls]

Actually the majority of the Cruise Lines are very accomodating towards smokers. Surprised? Simple...smokers have money too and they can still take a cruise as well and gamble and drink. Sorry to bust your bubble fellow.

Not at a non US business like a RCI cruise ship.

 

Why don't you try going the pursers desk and demand your Smokers Rights.:D

 

Please come back and let us know how it works out.

[oldguysandgalls]

It's not just about smoking and if you had lived during the 30's / 40's like I did you too would see the dangerous path we are on. You can BAN all you want and ultimately, watch my words, it will also affect something YOU enjoy doing. Just keep that in mind.

 

 

 

quote=DC2OC;23311137]I find it mind boggfling that someone who equate smoking restrictions to 1930 Germany.Reminds me of the person who said they were starting a group called DAMM-Drunks Against Madd Mothers

[S10Catman]

Wow, you don't really believe all that stuff?

 

If smoking is so good for you why not let your kids smoke too.

 

Start them young, that's what I say.:mad:

 

Because wisea** both my children are dead.:mad: One from a brain tumor (genetics) and the other due to a firearms issue. Before you start attacking my children pull your head out of your keister and stop drinking the Kool-aid. :eek:

Yes I firmly believe the UN should be shut down, send all the jerks to their home country, cut off all their foriegn aid, and leave the US alone. We were founded on the principles of a republic not a freaking democracy! They are nothing more than a bunch of socialists that one to create a one government world. Why would five of the vetoing countries happen to be either socialist democracies or communists?

[davekathy]

Actually the majority of the Cruise Lines are very accomodating towards smokers. Surprised? Simple...smokers have money too and they can still take a cruise as well and gamble and drink. Sorry to bust your bubble fellow.

 

To accommodate the smokers even further the Cruise Lines will also have oxygen hook ups.

[oldguysandgalls]

I respectfully disagree with you Captain Jake.

 

A) Yes, we show respect by smoking in designated areas

B) No, we DO NOT impose our will on others

C) Yes, people like YOU impose YOUR will on US

D) Yes, we care about your health, we have designated smoking areas.

 

Got to go, it's my smoke break...on my patio. It's freezing out there though.

 

 

but you are imposing your will on other and are showing a blantant lack of respect when you do.I don't give a darn if you want to risk your health smoking but I do care if your recklessness imposes on mine ol gal

[S10Catman]

:D:D:D:D so whats your point?

You cannot equate this to 1930's fascist.In fact its the opposite.We are saving lives not taking them

:cj

Just because you are saving lives does not make it right when you are taking away my choice to smoke or not smoke. This starts to become the beginning of Fascism/communision/socialism. First make all guns illegal, make certain religions illegal, make everybody buy this (health care), make what you eat or do in life illegall, it is the beginning of a very slippery slope.:)

[S10Catman]

To accommodate the smokers even further the Cruise Lines will also have oxygen hook ups.

Where, I'll need that to cure my massive hangover from all the DODs. Those are for anybody that needs O2 therapy not just smokers, There are asthmatics and plenty of folks with lung disorders totally unrelated to smoking.:)

[marci22]

If you want guaranteed health care, move to Canada or England and let us know how it works out for you! How and what I do with my body is NOYFB!

 

Huh? What did I miss?

[Jimsedge]

I respectfully disagree with you Captain Jake.

 

A) Yes, we show respect by smoking in designated areas

B) No, we DO NOT impose our will on others

C) Yes, people like YOU impose YOUR will on US

D) Yes, we care about your health, we have designated smoking areas.

 

Got to go, it's my smoke break...on my patio. It's freezing out there though.

I agree 100%

[SargassoPirate]

I saw a first started outside a Hospital ER when someone tossed their cigarette into the mulch.

 

Here's my comment to those who compare other vices (drinking, gambling, overeating, etc) to smoking: when someone forces me to eat, drink or gamble I will complain about that also.

 

Smoking around anyone FORCES those people to breath in that smoke (including outside areas). NO ONE should be FORCED to breath in cigarette smoke.

 

Until they figure out how to replace the revenue lost from banning cigarettes (you can't tell me there is a good use for tobacco) this will be an ongoing argument. It is NOT about a person's rights. It's about money.

 

Well said. I think anyone should have the right to smoke if they want, as long as they don't exhale anywhere indoors or upwind from me. Their right to smoke does not preempt my right to breathe smoke free air and to wear clothes that don't reek of old tobacco fumes.

[Captain Jake]

Huh? What did I miss?

 

something about socialist want us to pay for smokers health care like they do in Canada and something about fear that smokers will be put in camps:rolleyes:

:cj

[DC2OC]

Well said. I think anyone should have the right to smoke if they want, as long as they don't exhale anywhere indoors or upwind from me. Their right to smoke does not preempt my right to breathe smoke free air and to wear clothes that don't reek of old tobacco fumes.

agree 100%