New fuel restrictions - U.S. and Canada

[swedish weave]

A United Nations agency that regulates the international shipping industry has adopted a plan to dramatically reduse air pollution coming from ships off the U.S. and Canada coasts.

 

The decision Friday by the International Maritime Organization will require all oceangoing ships, including oil tankers, cargo vessels, and cruise ships, to use cleaner burning fuel within 230 miles of the coast.

 

What impact will this have on cruise prices ?

[peg013]

I guess they'll have to tender us in the last 230 miles, LOL:D When does this go into effect?

[Richie2pies]

Government will screw up anything they touch. This has been proven.

[swedish weave]

I guess they'll have to tender us in the last 230 miles, LOL:D When does this go into effect?

 

The article says it is enforcable August 2012, and will add $30,000 to the cost of a ship stopping at California ports. Maybe it would be a good idea to invest in the new container terminal they are building in Mexico.

 

It would not be too unrealistic to see the cruise ships starting their trips from Ensenada instead of Long Beach, San Pedro, and San Diego. Thirty grand is a pretty good chunk of change !!

[njhorseman]

The article says it is enforcable August 2012, and will add $30,000 to the cost of a ship stopping at California ports. Maybe it would be a good idea to invest in the new container terminal they are building in Mexico.

 

It would not be too unrealistic to see the cruise ships starting their trips from Ensenada instead of Long Beach, San Pedro, and San Diego. Thirty grand is a pretty good chunk of change !!

 

 

$30,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it boils down to $10 or $15 per passenger on your typical size ship, and if the cruise lines have to raise their prices by that amount no one will ever notice.

[swedish weave]

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[swedish weave]

$30,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it boils down to $10 or $15 per passenger on your typical size ship, and if the cruise lines have to raise their prices by that amount no one will ever notice.

 

I see that the cruise lines used a little pressure on Alaska to get a reduction in the head tax up there. Some started pulling out, and Alaska came begging. Maybe they will use the same tactic on this.

[luddite]

Anybody remeber what happened when congress (never capitalize) tossed a huge tax on expensive boats?

They quit making expensive boats.

 

The UN makes enforcable law? Hmmmm.

[newmexicoNita]

I guess they'll have to tender us in the last 230 miles, LOL:D When does this go into effect?

 

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[jaja]

Government will screw up anything they touch. This has been proven.

 

:D LOL--and the UN is even worse:eek:

[CaptData]

Maybe they will bring back smaller boats like Pacific Princess to pick pax up and transfer us to the bigger ships. No cabins but would have a bar on each level.

 

Suites would have their level at top. Free drinks. There would be open deck with a pool and very nice furniture. Cabanas and of course a Spa rep to give a massage (ect $$). They will have waiters roaming around take drink orders. Since this level is serving maybe 400 guest there will be 40 waiters here for them.

 

Then the next level would be for those who have the top level of their cruise line thing. The pool would be opened to the sky. These two levels would have free booze for the trip out and treats, chocolate covered strawberries, little sandwiches etc. They would also have a spa rep. There would be 500 maybe. There would be open deck on this level too. There would be 30 crew here.

 

The next couple of levels would be for those who have had more then one cruise. They would get free water, tea and coffee. There is a pool here but not opened to sky. Lots of windows to see out of. They would pay for their booze including taxes ect. There would be 1000 here with 30 crew.

 

The bottom level with no windows would be for the new to cruise line people. They would get free water. They will have to wait until they get on board for a swim. This is by far the most people 1500. They would pay for everything you can think of after all they just want to try this cruiseline to see if they may like it. They would be allowed up to the next couple of deck to get drinks but they can not go swimming yet (after all you need a cruise to earn a rank).

 

Oh the life boat drill will now happen in the terminal after check in and before you enter the little boat to go to the big boat.:eek:;);)

[Planer's Edge]

:D LOL--and the UN is even worse:eek:

When was the last the UN enforced anything that they declared. With the possible exception of its' action against Israel.

 

PE

[saleandsail]

The International Maritime Organization issues the mandates, the member nations enforce them. As this rule was pushed by both the U.S. and Canada, you can be pretty sure it will be enforced. California has had this rule in effect since last summer. You can read about it here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100327/ap_on_bi_ge/us_ship_pollution

[swedish weave]

The International Maritime Organization issues the mandates, the member nations enforce them. As this rule was pushed by both the U.S. and Canada, you can be pretty sure it will be enforced. California has had this rule in effect since last summer. You can read about it here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100327/ap_on_bi_ge/us_ship_pollution

 

The fuel restrictions are the same, but the distance is 24 miles in Calif. The new regs will extend the distance much further.

[lambs2]

 

The UN makes enforcable law? Hmmmm.

 

 

 

HAH! That would be a first!!!!

[smeyer418]

most ships don't have separate fuel tanks. So they will use the same low sulfur fuel for the entire cruise. The difference is the price between low sulfur fuel(like diesel #2) and bunker(#6 or higher). The cost while significant isn't so much that it will bankrupt any of the cruise lines. The cruise lines already could have added a fuel surcharge but have chosen not to....but they will try to hold higher prices for cruises beginning next month.

 

Of course the benefit for us is cleaner air and less acid rain( the sulfur becomes sulfuric acid). The air is generally cleaner than it was 20 years ago...yes the horrible things the government does for us. Do you think the current cars would burn as clean if it wasn't for government intervention?

CA air is particularly a problem hence stricter controls...or would you rather more Californian's die?

[luddite]

most ships don't have separate fuel tanks. So they will use the same low sulfur fuel for the entire cruise. The difference is the price between low sulfur fuel(like diesel #2) and bunker(#6 or higher). The cost while significant isn't so much that it will bankrupt any of the cruise lines. The cruise lines already could have added a fuel surcharge but have chosen not to....but they will try to hold higher prices for cruises beginning next month.

 

Of course the benefit for us is cleaner air and less acid rain( the sulfur becomes sulfuric acid). The air is generally cleaner than it was 20 years ago...yes the horrible things the government does for us. Do you think the current cars would burn as clean if it wasn't for government intervention?

CA air is particularly a problem hence stricter controls...or would you rather more Californian's die?

 

I'm surprised that you kept that last line in your post! :D