Typical cruise ship scams in the casino

[ParrothdJH]

Snarky to the end...you must work at Terribles or the Vegas Club with that attitude.

 

When I used to get lots of invites to the Harrah's & MGM's BJ tourneys I spent too much time and $ in Vegas/AC/Biloxi. Fortunately I've been able to stop that addiction.

 

My problem with a lot of dealers is this - like waiters they are in the customer service industry but most don't act like it. Being a heartless robot isn't really the best way to gain tokes. Besides everyone knows that's why the casino's hire the pit critters anyway :cool:

I've played in over 150 casinos over the years and have had very few problems with dealers and pit personnel. In fact I've found the majority of them to be very nice and friendly. Did you ever stop to think YOU ARE THE PROBLEM?

[Mr. Luckytoo]

I've played in over 150 casinos over the years and have had very few problems with dealers and pit personnel. In fact I've found the majority of them to be very nice and friendly. Did you ever stop to think YOU ARE THE PROBLEM?

 

Then you are obviously not a AP. If you gotta ask well....

[Casino Player]

Snarky to the end...you must work at Terribles or the Vegas Club with that attitude.

 

When I used to get lots of invites to the Harrah's & MGM's BJ tourneys I spent too much time and $ in Vegas/AC/Biloxi. Fortunately I've been able to stop that addiction.

 

My problem with a lot of dealers is this - like waiters they are in the customer service industry but most don't act like it. Being a heartless robot isn't really the best way to gain tokes. Besides everyone knows that's why the casino's hire the pit critters anyway :cool:

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Mr. Luckytoo: Actually, MrCO9 works for a Boyd Group Casino. The Boyd Group runs really nice casinos. Before he worked there he worked at another Boyd Group property.

The Boyd Group besides having good casinos has nice hotels. Their food is the best in Las Vegas. If you go to downtown Las Vegas try the Main Street Station and/or the California Hotel. I think the Main Street Station has the best downtown buffett.

The Las Vegas Club wasn't that bad. The craps tables were always crowded.

[ParrothdJH]

Then you are obviously not a AP. If you gotta ask well....

You're really good at non answers. My experience has been people treat you the way you treat them. Sounds to me like YOU are the problem. Don't know what you consider an AP.

[wjasond]

I mean everyone on the table needs to place their bet, sure you weren't in lala land while this was done? :D On a related note, do dealers often detect systems? I think it would be difficult to keep track with many players at the table...

[Casino Player]

I mean everyone on the table needs to place their bet, sure you weren't in lala land while this was done? :D On a related note, do dealers often detect systems? I think it would be difficult to keep track with many players at the table...

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO wjasond: Who cares if a "betting system" gets detected. Depending on the game people have a choice to make a bet or not make a bet. No game requires a player to make a bet on every outcome.

[MrCo9]

Do dealers often detect systems? I think it would be difficult to keep track with many players at the table...

Yes, we see and detect them all the time. And the only system we care about and put an end to is the "Placing a bet after the ball has landed" system.

[Dicenator]

To the best of my knowledge there is no system that can beat the casinos in any game for the long term. Sure you can win short term with some systems, but if you play it long enough you will lose.

 

On my vacation in Puerto Rico my wife was playing with a young couple form Indiana at a Blackjack table. They were telling her how Uncle Eddie had taught them this system to play. I asked her to describe it. She said that they start at the table minimum which was $5. If they lose, on the next hand they double the bet to $10. They keep doubling the bet until they win and then they start over. I told her that is a Martindale system which can't win. She said why not, look at how much they've won. I told her to keep doubling the $5 start and tell me how many hands it would take until they hit the table maximum which was $500. The answer is 7 hands.

 

The next day we saw the same couple at blackjack and they had lost it all.

 

Dicenator

[ParrothdJH]

Because you admit you didn't. You walked with $202 from the craps table, remember?? Anyone that tips would have left at least the $2 if not more for the dealers.

 

Betting straight up on a number is not an even money bet it's a 35:1 bet where the table minimum of $5 would apply.

 

To quote Tommy Lee Jones in "The Fugitive" "Care to change your B.S. story, now?"

Great reply to oa guy who seems to know it all but does back it up with BS ane won't answer a question(probably doesn't know the answer). BTW I alwys thought a George was a good tipper and a Tom ( as in Tom Turkey) was a bad or non tipper.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

You're really good at non answers. My experience has been people treat you the way you treat them. Sounds to me like YOU are the problem. Don't know what you consider an AP.

 

Parrot you're the typical player casinos love - the one they make $$$ off of each and every time.

 

I don't look at playing in the casino as entertainment - I go there to make $. Each and every game comes with a house advantage. There are however methods in which people can turn that advantage around - not by much but enough to pay for their cruise.

 

Unfortunately many pit critters don't like it when AP are in their midst and they get threatened. Look at the crap Dicenator had to endure in his latest trip report.

 

Dealers aren't your friends unless you're a donk - sorry but its true.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Mr. Luckytoo: Actually, MrCO9 works for a Boyd Group Casino. The Boyd Group runs really nice casinos. Before he worked there he worked at another Boyd Group property.

 

The Boyd Group besides having good casinos has nice hotels. Their food is the best in Las Vegas. If you go to downtown Las Vegas try the Main Street Station and/or the California Hotel. I think the Main Street Station has the best downtown buffett.

 

The Las Vegas Club wasn't that bad. The craps tables were always crowded.

 

The craps table when I was there was like cork. Plus the Vegas Club was very confrontational to DI players. It's funny most Vegas pit critters say DI is smoke and mirrors but darn if they don't give a DI a difficult time.

 

 

BTW I agree that Main Street St. has a great buffet.

[ParrothdJH]

Parrot you're the typical player casinos love - the one they make $$$ off of each and every time.

 

I don't look at playing in the casino as entertainment - I go there to make $. Each and every game comes with a house advantage. There are however methods in which people can turn that advantage around - not by much but enough to pay for their cruise.

 

Unfortunately many pit critters don't like it when AP are in their midst and they get threatened. Look at the crap Dicenator had to endure in his latest trip report.

 

Dealers aren't your friends unless you're a donk - sorry but its true.

Yes, I'm the type of player casinos love. I bet big,tip good, yet I treat everyone with respect, whether I'm winning or losing. And no they don't make money off of me each and every time I go. Over the years I've won a whole lot more than I've lost and it's not because of some system, it's because I've increased my bets when I find myself at a hot table and decrease them or leave when at a cold one. It only takes two or three good shoes or one long roll to win big or wipe out a lot of losses . I guess this is my method to have an advanatge.There is no system ( other than card counting at BJ) that can overcome the house edge at any game. The only advanatge players have is being there when the table is hot and taking advantage of it by betting big. It is called timing,not luck. And just what did diceanator have to endure? It didn't effect him. I only play on cruises once or twice a year, and at land based casinos 20-30 times a year. I too don't treat gambling as entertainment, but as a business, one that has been profitable, without being an AH. if you have to ask...never mind.

[MrCo9]

BTW I alwys thought a George was a good tipper and a Tom ( as in Tom Turkey) was a bad or non tipper.

Never heard or used the term Tom in the 12 years I've been dealing. A non-tipper is a "Stiff" in Las Vegas. A "flea" is someone who seems to play only to annoy the dealers or other customers. "I'm working all my bets but the 5" "Take my 9 down to $5 and put $6 on my 6 and 8, O and I'm off this roll". "Anyone mind if I light up this cigar?".

[terbear_4u]

I believe that the Continuous Shuffle Machines at Blackjack are a bit of a scam.

 

They give the house a LOT more advantage as apposed to a regular shoe and cut card with the dealer shuffling after the shoe is spent.

 

One reason being , Is the fact that All the cards are back in play being shuffled before the next hand.

 

Card counters are at a loss for sure.

 

 

I never seen so many losing hands against the dealer hand in my casino life, as there was on my last cruise, each and every day .

 

The cruise lines have turned more greedy with these machines .

[Silverscreencruiser]

I believe that the Continuous Shuffle Machines at Blackjack are a bit of a scam.

 

They give the house a LOT more advantage as apposed to a regular shoe and cut card with the dealer shuffling after the shoe is spent.

 

If you don't count cards (and there's very few people on cruise ships who are good card counters), the automatic shuffler actually lowers the odds against the player slightly. The reason is that when a lot of low cards come out early in the shoe (which makes the remaining deck more favorable for the player), you wind up playing fewer hands until you get to the reshuffle point. On the other hand, if a lot of high hands come out early in the shoe, the remaining deck is less favorable for the player, but there tend to be more hands played until the reshuffle point.

 

The real advantage that the shuffler gives the house is that you wind up playing more hands in any given period of time (shuffling eight decks takes about as much time as it would take to play two hands at a full table). The more hands that are dealt every hour, the more the house wins.

[terbear_4u]

Silver screen cruiser:

 

I'm not sure if you know the operation of a CONTINUIOS SHUFFLE MACHINE.

 

There is NO SHOE with a CSM.

 

The machine has ALL the cards of the 8 decks shuffling all the time . except when a player reqests a card or the dealer needs to hit.

 

The dealer simply pulls out cards from the machine , as needed , while it is constantly reshuffeling every card left of those 8 decks .

 

After each hand is done, and the pay and take is done ,then the dealer will place all the cards that were used for, that particular hand , BACK INTO the CSM machine for to be shuffled back into ALL 8 decks again and then the start of a new hand will be dealt to all players again, from ALL cards of 8 decks again.

 

 

 

CSM"S are a whole different system from any other system of shuffling and despensing cards.

 

With a CSM, you could consevablely get the same exact cards each and every hand dealt back to you. ( of course Highly unlikely) But never the less that IS possible.

 

You might be thinking of a automatic shuffler machine that will shuffel one set of 8 decks ( red backs) while a second set of 8 decks (blue backs) are being dealt from a regular SHOE.

 

A card counter can have an advantage with this system of play.

 

But NOT with a CSM. ( Hence Real House advantage against ALL Players) [CSM's are boarder line SCAM with Real House Greed built in]

 

 

But I agree with you on your last statment. Machines Do speed up the number of hands that can be dealt in an hour as apposed to the dealer shuffeling by hand.

[Silverscreencruiser]

I do know the difference between a continuous shuffling machine and other types of automatic shufflers.

 

When you play using a shoe (regardless of how it's shuffled), the dealer stops dealing at a predetermined spot approximately 2/3 to 3/4 of the way through the shoe. A counter can gain an advantage (though not as big as it's portrayed on TV and in the movies) later in the shoe by increasing his bets when the shoe is favorable.

 

However, for those that do not count, the more low cards that are left in the deck, the more hands in general will be dealt before the dealer reshuffles. The more high cards that are left in the deck, the fewer hands in general will be dealt before the dealer reshuffles. So, when the count favors the house, the house will play more hands out of the remainder of the shoe than when the count favors the player. With the continuous shuffler, the count is always zero. It's not a big advantage (.03) but it is a slight advantage if you don't count (and it's been my experience that almost no one gambling on a cruise ship can count cards reliably... if they could, they'd be playing somewhere else).

[johneeo]

Parrothd,

 

Respectfully disagree about what the dealers are paid. I've got friends who are dealers and some made six digits a few years back - I know minimum wage isn't that good.

 

 

A friend of mine is a BJ dealer for one of the largest global casino organizations. He is paid $5 / hour.

[johneeo]

Just finished reading the entire thread:p, thanks for the laughs.

 

As for those that have the ability to win money in a casino, they are all $Billionaire$. Hey, if you can go to the casino and win, why not go all the time, win all the time, and become a billionaire?

 

As said by Steve Wynn "the only way to win in the casino is to own the casino".:cool:

[evergladesgator]

The last thread is Living proof that there is one in every crowd.

[ParrothdJH]

The last thread is Living proof that there is one in every crowd.

Well said

[canuckcruiselover]

This is not really a scam but one of the cashiers on Jewel of the Seas last year could not count. Twice she shortchanged me $100 when I cashed in. She also shortchanged me with the cashback at the end of the cruise. So, watch out for dimwit cashiers!

[johneeo]

This is not really a scam but one of the cashiers on Jewel of the Seas last year could not count. Twice she shortchanged me $100 when I cashed in. She also shortchanged me with the cashback at the end of the cruise. So, watch out for dimwit cashiers!

 

Same goes for Texas Hold em dealers.

[yellowbird23]

Just finished reading the entire thread:p, thanks for the laughs.

 

As for those that have the ability to win money in a casino, they are all $Billionaire$. Hey, if you can go to the casino and win, why not go all the time, win all the time, and become a billionaire?

 

As said by Steve Wynn "the only way to win in the casino is to own the casino".:cool:

Thanks for your 2 cents! Greatly appreciated.:confused:

[AndyTheK]

Same goes for Texas Hold em dealers.

Nothing to worry about on an ever-increasing number of cruise ships. The PokerPro® electronic hold 'em machines are taking over.