Just off the Dream-Horrible cigar smell from room next door

[tnincy]

It always strikes me as odd how some smokers strongly fight for their rights to smell bad and kill themselves.

:confused:

 

why should we allow others to tell us how to live our lives? we all die from something. and i am sure that all smokers don't die from lung cancer. not everyone thinks cigars smell bad. i think a good cigar smells great. will have to agree about the cigarettes tho.

[markstudy]

exactly. amazing what a little courtesy will do.

 

Our 10-day New Years trip on the Ruby, was dominated by a large number of Russian and French passengers. Lots of heavy smokers and no American style courtesy. Seems like sometimes rules are necessary. Not that they would follow them. LOL They really enjoyed smoking in the casino on non-smoking night. It was a bad day, to be a staff member on that ship. :D

 

 

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[graphicguy]

It all boils down to courtesy. No different from "chair hogs", "line cutters", "loud people on balcony next door at 3am", etc.

 

But also remember to enjoy your cruise and don't let small issues ruin it. If you expect perfection, you WILL be disappointed!

Good points, all!

 

I kind of view it as, if you don't like Carnival's smoking policies, there are other cruise lines out there that perhaps have a policy you'd like more.

 

I'm sure Carnival would rather have a customer who's likely to be happy on their ships (spending more), than those who are likely to be unhappy (spending less).

 

Bottom line, they aren't going to be able to please all of the people, all of the time, no matter what they do. This is one of those instances.

[tnincy]

We had a trip that was dominated by Russian and French passengers. Lots of heavy smokers and no American style courtesy.

 

Seems like sometimes rules are necessary. Not that they would follow them. LOL

 

They really enjoyed smoking in the casino on non-smoking night. It was a bad day, to be a staff member on that ship. :D

 

when you board a ship, you have to remember it's not just american's and our ways aren't others. the ship isn't even registered in america.

it is carnivals responsibilty to enforce the policy if they have particular nights that are designated non smoking. it is rude of those people not to observe the rules, but carnival is to blame for that.

[halos]

! The complaints about the balconies are exagerated.

 

Not always.

I am not one of those rabid-non-smokers who gets their nose in the air and coughs when I walk into one of those 'stink clouds'....I will hold my breath and quicken my pace to get out of it. :p

 

Logic would tell you that being on a balcony with that wind blowing at warp speed, that any cigarette odor would dissipate...and I think most of the time it does, especially if the ship is racing along over 20-knots...but if the wind is wrong, and the ship is gliding slowly that odor can linger and chase me off my balcony.

It's only happened twice out of numerous cruises...but it is possible.

 

I do suck it up and deal with it...but it is a bummer.

 

It all boils down to courtesy. !

 

 

 

Absolutely...on BOTH sides.

 

I agree 100%

[markstudy]

when you board a ship, you have to remember it's not just american's and our ways aren't others.

 

It was a fascinating trip. Because it was 1/3 Russian passengers, 1/3 French passengers, and 1/3 everything else.... it was a lot of fun in the elevators. The French folks wouldn't stop talking, and the Russians never said a word. :D (I'm not trying to make fun of anyone, just my observation from riding the elevators) :D

[tnincy]

It was fun trip. By being 1/3 Russian pasangers, 1/3 French pasangers, and 1/3 everything else.... it was a lot of fun in the elevators. The French folks wouldn't stop talking, and the Russians never said a word. :D

 

i am sure there was a lot of culture clash for some. :eek:

[LHP]

Of course, this won't help with cigars and pipes...

 

but friends of mine use the e-cigarettes so that they can smoke anywhere they want to...and they love it....

 

they get to smoke anywhere and no one else is bothered.....a win-win situation....

[yogimax]

until carnival changes its policy, people should stop complaining.

 

Huh? To change policy, you have to complain. People are complaining here all the time about numerous issues. Sometimes a corporation will take those complaints into consideration when formulationg policy and guidelines.

[yogimax]

non smokers are still no more important than smokers.

 

Actually they are. 75-80% of the U.S. general population are non-smokers. That means the potential market is much greater for non-smokers than smokers.

[tnincy]

Actually they are. 75-80% of the U.S. general population are non-smokers. That means the potential market is much greater for non-smokers than smokers.

 

you are NOT more important than me! as i don't consider myself more important than you. what happened to everyone being equal.

[TxBubba]

why should we allow others to tell us how to live our lives? we all die from something. and i am sure that all smokers don't die from lung cancer. not everyone thinks cigars smell bad. i think a good cigar smells great. will have to agree about the cigarettes tho.

 

All good points. The same ones made by heroin and crack addicts.

 

Nothing personal.

[halos]

Actually they are. 75-80% of the U.S. general population are non-smokers. That means the potential market is much greater for non-smokers than smokers.

US....

In many other countries the majority of people smoke....unfortunate but that's the way it is.

ALSO, for some odd reason, smoking is actually on the rise again in the US, after 10 years of it being on the decline.

 

It goes to show you that people are idiots.

 

Knowing what we know now, who the heck would be stupid enough to start these days?? *shakeshead*

[tnincy]

Huh? To change policy, you have to complain. People are complaining here all the time about numerous issues. Sometimes a corporation will take those complaints into consideration when formulationg policy and guidelines.

 

precisely complaining on here. see how much business carnival will lose by not allowing smoking. 25% adds up when you exlclude the smokers. i know of peeple who only smoke on vacation or while indulging in a cocktail. not entirely sure carnival takes everything on here seriously. i know i don't.

perhaps i should start my complaint list of things i don't like.:rolleyes: im to layed back to complain about people following policy or how my vacation was ruined because of someone enjoying a cigar on their balcony.

[tnincy]

All good points. The same ones made by heroin and crack addicts.

 

Nothing personal.

 

 

youre equating smokers reasons/rights to heroin and crack addicts?? im confused.

[saharaga]

you are NOT more important than me! as i don't consider myself more important than you. what happened to everyone being equal.

 

This is not a matter of one group of people being more important than the other. Smoking, is frankly, a potentially deadly habit. It not only affects you but the people around you. If you (figurative you, not you specifically) want to run the risk of developing the diseases that smoking causes, fine. But, others who choose not to smoke should not have to be subjected to it and put at risk.

 

This is a situation where the solution will not please everyone. Since we know all the risks associated with cigarette smoke, I think it's pretty clear which side will prevail.

 

All good points. The same ones made by heroin and crack addicts.

 

Nothing personal.

 

youre equating smokers reasons/rights to heroin and crack addicts?? im confused.

 

I think the point he is trying to make is that addicts use the same rationalizations no matter what drug they use. I know it's a bad habit and I know it can kill me but darn it, it's my "right" to smoke sort of rationalization. Cigarette smokers seem to be more vehement about their "right" to smoke because it's legal. That's the only disctinction I see between the two groups.

[saharaga]

I completely agree with both of these comments. And if some people consider me a whiner, I'll wear that label proudly.:D

 

When people use the word "whining" it is a common tactic which adds nothing to these debates.

 

I come to a chat-site to chat. And when a subject gets into a good debate you have a choice. You can state your points and counter-points or you can toss-out a statement, like- "stop whining"

 

The only way things get done in this world is when people speak-up. I encourage anyone who has had to leave their balcony because of a smoking issue to let their voice be heard. And I encourage anyone who is a smoker fighting for the rules to stay as they are, to also add their point of view. But I've always thought it was a bully tactic to come on these threads and accuse people who are debating something that is important to them, of just- "whining"

 

It always strikes me as odd how some smokers strongly fight for their rights to smell bad and kill themselves.

:confused:

[tnincy]

This is not a matter of one group of people being more important than the other. Smoking, is frankly, a potentially deadly habit. It not only affects you but the people around you. If you (figurative you, not you specifically) want to run the risk of developing the diseases that smoking causes, fine. But, others who choose not to smoke should not have to be subjected to it and put at risk.

 

I think the point he is trying to make is that addicts use the same rationalizations no matter what drug they use. I know it's a bad habit and I know it can kill me but darn it, it's my "right" to smoke sort of rationalization. Cigarette smokers seem to be more vehement about their "right" to smoke because it's legal. That's the only disctinction I see between the two groups.

 

the previous poster said "Actually they are." meaning more important. when in fact i don't see any one person more important than another. if they feel so subjected,to people smoking as allowed, perhaps they should find vacations that accomodate their wishes. many foreign countries allow you to smoke anywhere.

 

addicts use a far different rationalization than smokers. i know, i have a family member who has had addictions. you can't compare drug addicts to smokers.

[saharaga]

Smoking is a public health concern and is not Ok whether it's legal or not. And to use your logic, all the smokers should take their vacations where people are allowed to smoke anywhere so they can feel accommodated. Perhaps, in one of those foreign countries you referenced. It goes both ways.

 

I also have addicts (drugs and alcohol) in my family and yes, I have heard them use some of the same rationalizations I've read here and elsewhere.

 

the previous poster said "yes they are". meaning more important. when in fact i don't see any one person more important than another. if they feel so subjected,to people smoking as allowed, perhaps they should find vacations that accomodate their wishes. many foreign countries allow you to smoke anywhere.

 

addicts use a far different rationalization than smokers. i know, i have a family member who has had addictions. you can't compare drug addicts to smokers.

[tnincy]

Smoking is a public health concern and is not Ok whether it's legal or not. And to use your logic, all the smokers should take their vacations where people are allowed to smoke anywhere so they can feel accommodated. Perhaps, in one of those foreign countries you referenced. It goes both ways.

 

I also have addicts (drugs and alcohol) in my family and yes, I have heard them use some of the same rationalizations I've read here and elsewhere.

 

 

obesity is also a public health concern, but i don't complain about that.

i can empathize with the addicted family members. i think the rationalizations on drug abuse goes far deeper than a smokers rationalization.

most places i vacation allow smoking. or have designated areas.

i guess we all will have to agree to disagree.

[nrdsb4]

 

addicts use a far different rationalization than smokers. i know, i have a family member who has had addictions. you can't compare drug addicts to smokers.

 

Actually, studies have been done on the brains of all kinds of addicts. The brain changes seen in smokers and heroin addicts are quite similar. This information doesn't mean that smokers and addicts are bad people, it simply illustrates the power of nicotine from a habit forming perspective. In fact, heroin addicts often assert that it is easier to quit that drug than nicotine.

[tnincy]

And to use your logic, all the smokers should take their vacations where people are allowed to smoke anywhere so they can feel accommodated.

 

not my logic at all. i feel non smokers have rights as smokers have rights. but one should not be favored over another. i don't think i should be allowed to smoke anywhere, but if i am in designated areas, why is it such a probelm?

[tnincy]

Actually, studies have been done on the brains of all kinds of addicts. The brain changes seen in smokers and heroin addicts are quite similar. This information doesn't mean that smokers and addicts are bad people, it simply illustrates the power of nicotine from a habit forming perspective. In fact, heroin addicts often assert that it is easier to quit that drug than nicotine.

 

 

you can do a study on anything and relate them. :o but i get your point.

[nrdsb4]

obesity is also a public health concern, but i don't complain about that.

 

Someone overeating next to you won't transfer their excess calories into your body. I mean, let's be honest here.

 

I think there are many ways to accommodate both smokers and non smokers on cruises. There are some pretty sophisticated ventilation systems available that the cruiselines could purchase which could improve things for smokers and nonsmokers alike. Using a little common sense and creativity in ship design and/or when designating smoking/nonsmoking venues would go a long way towards creating better harmony.

 

I think most cruisers are willing to compromise in order to enjoy their own vacations without infringing on the ability of others to enjoy themselves as well. The radicals on either side are probably in the minority.

[tnincy]

Someone overeating next to you won't transfer their excess calories into your body. I mean, let's be honest here. i know. just making a point that a good percentage of health issues today can be related to obesity. making it a public health concern.

I think there are many ways to accommodate both smokers and non smokers on cruises. There are some pretty sophisticated ventilation systems available that the cruiselines could purchase which could improve things for smokers and nonsmokers alike. Using a little common sense and creativity in ship design and/or when designating smoking/nonsmoking venues would go a long way towards creating better harmony. maybe cruiselines should look into this when building future ships.

 

I think most cruisers are willing to compromise in order to enjoy their own vacations without infringing on the ability of others to enjoy themselves as well. The radicals on either side are probably in the minority.

i know i am. im not looking to bother anyone, but just to enjoy my vacation as i am sure they are.