I know I can trust this board

[Unknotted]

I don't like it. The only thing close to "privacy" that a mom gets is when she is in the bathroom (and that doesn't always work either.) And with this chip some strange person could sit behind a RFWhatever monitor and say......OH MY GOD! She is in the bathroom again!!!!!

[chazzeek]

this is an interesting idea. I don't think RDFI can track a person like GPS, as far as i know it can only read you when you pass by a scanner. So unless the hall was lined with scanners the wouldn't know exactly where you were, only that you passed through door A at 1:30 and then ten minutes later you passed through door B at 1:40

 

but imagine how a company could use this technology to increase service.

 

they would know exactly how many people are in the buffet at a given time and could adjust staff levels accordingly, or even know how much food to be cooking.

 

know how many people on lido deck, to get enough drink servers.

 

determine popularity of different events by knowing how many people attend, and even how many people leave a show early.

 

red light when a kid tries to enter adults only areas

 

even cross reference the number of people on the dance floor at the disco with the DJ's play list and know which songs clear the floor.

[elcuchio24]

We already accept that your basic rights as a US citizen are given up as soon as you cross the border.

 

Sure....not saying it isn't possible or illegal, just saying that I WOULDN'T want it. I thought that was your question, asking opinions about your idea....

[klfrodo]

Sure....not saying it isn't possible or illegal, just saying that I WOULDN'T want it. I thought that was your question, asking opinions about your idea....

 

fair criticism. Mea Culpa

[shof515]

both my passport and driver license have some kind rfid chip it in. Lucky they are ways to demagnetize it just like a credit card

[Wyattcruiser]

know how many people on lido deck, to get enough drink servers.

 

 

LOL! That one made me laugh:D

[fourwaystreet]

Scenario:

A husband is looking for his wife. Crew looks her up and there she is, in another cabin. Husband goes to said cabin and finds wife with another man. Husband throws other man and wife over the balcony.

 

And the problem with this would be???

[friedshrimp]

LOL

 

2 things

 

Only Security would have access to the information

 

Security leaks happen all the time. Any computer is hackable!

 

 

Your privacy rights as a US Citizen stop at the border anytime and everytime already

 

 

True. Also, watch everyone who now books with Carnival start going on RCCL, NCL, HAL, Princess, etc. If a business does not want to provide the type of service I want, I take my money and spend it elsewhere. Capitalism does not stop at the US borders. And I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the US is the only country in the entire world that have privacy laws. There are even international laws at sea that are similar to most US laws. You cannot batter people, murder people, or drink alcohol at age 10 and think you can get away with it just because you are in international waters!

[klfrodo]

Well, it's been up here for 4 hours and I appreciate everyone's response.

 

If I read this correctly, the Number 1 detractor is perceived loss of privacy.

 

Doesn't matter that they already know your home address, your home phone and mobile phone numbers, your passport info, what flights your taking/which hotel your staying at, your credit card/debit card numbers, your age and your gender all thru filling out the Fun Pass. They know you were in the casino and bought a beverage at 10:30, then you went to the Piano Bar at 11:00 where you bought another drink. Your wife ordered room service at 10:45........

 

but the #1 detractor is "loss of Personal Privacy"

 

OK :confused:

I do appreciate the feedback

[Cristallo]

Well, it's been up here for 4 hours and I appreciate everyone's response.

 

If I read this correctly, the Number 1 detractor is perceived loss of privacy.

 

Doesn't matter that they already know your home address, your home phone and mobile phone numbers, your passport info, what flights your taking/which hotel your staying at, your credit card/debit card numbers, your age and your gender all thru filling out the Fun Pass. They know you were in the casino and bought a beverage at 10:30, then you went to the Piano Bar at 11:00 where you bought another drink. Your wife ordered room service at 10:45........

 

but the #1 detractor is "loss of Personal Privacy"

 

OK :confused:

I do appreciate the feedback

 

There is a difference between having basic information like an address, phone number, age and gender and knowing that I spent x amount of time in my cabin between the hours of this and that and that I went someplace without my DH. To me that's less about information gathering and more about personal tracking.

[Wyattcruiser]

Well, it's been up here for 4 hours and I appreciate everyone's response.

 

If I read this correctly, the Number 1 detractor is perceived loss of privacy.

 

Doesn't matter that they already know your home address, your home phone and mobile phone numbers, your passport info, what flights your taking/which hotel your staying at, your credit card/debit card numbers, your age and your gender all thru filling out the Fun Pass. They know you were in the casino and bought a beverage at 10:30, then you went to the Piano Bar at 11:00 where you bought another drink. Your wife ordered room service at 10:45........

 

but the #1 detractor is "loss of Personal Privacy"

 

OK :confused:

I do appreciate the feedback

 

Alot of what you listed on the fun pass is not mandatory and we don't include it.......and my dh buys most our drinks on his card so they must think he is a major alky:D And we use one s&s card to let us in our cabin so one of us might be lurking the hallways all night long:D They cannot really track someone with their s&s card.........

[klfrodo]

There is a difference between having basic information like an address, phone number, age and gender and knowing that I spent x amount of time in my cabin between the hours of this and that and that I went someplace without my DH. To me that's less about information gathering and more about personal tracking.

 

Fair argument but is that emotional security or logic?

I don't believe anyone said anything about "personal tracking". We're talking "Electronic Tracking".

 

I imagine you have a cell phone. That signal is being tracked. You may even have a GPS in your car. That signal is being tracked. You may have On Star in your car. That signal is being tracked.

Notice I said the "Signal" is being tracked. Nobody knows that the signal belongs to you personaly. UNTIL disaster strikes and law enforcement comes in. Then they can take that signal and get more information.

[ooomwizard]

OMG another techie device!

 

Damn it all! I go on a cruise to get away from it all. Telephones (dastardly devices, telephones) computers, Voicemails, texting, emails, internet, TV, the whole lot. I don't want to hear a beep, chime, ringtone, buzz, Windows startup or anything electronic. I get annoyed if anyone calls in the cabin.

 

If a RF device gets me through the board/dis-boarding much faster then I'd wear a wristband. I don't think it would because you've got thousands of people going the same direction at the same time, and then there's security.

 

Put a drink in my hand, take me to someplace interesting, and allow me to disconnect... that's my vacation.

 

Love and warm breezes.

[friedshrimp]

Fair argument but is that emotional security or logic?

I don't believe anyone said anything about "personal tracking". We're talking "Electronic Tracking".

 

I imagine you have a cell phone. That signal is being tracked. You may even have a GPS in your car. That signal is being tracked. You may have On Star in your car. That signal is being tracked.

Notice I said the "Signal" is being tracked. Nobody knows that the signal belongs to you personaly. UNTIL disaster strikes and law enforcement comes in. Then they can take that signal and get more information.

 

Yes, Electronic 'Personal' Tracking. You're initial post talked only about 'personal tracking' (grandma fell off ship or getting a quickly somewhere, where is Johnny now, etc). All of that is 'personal tracking'. Which only is valid if you put the chip on the person, not on their card which you are assuming someone will carry with them 24/7 while on/off ship. You want to differentiate between a signal being tracked and a person who that signal is attached to being tracked. Personally I call BS on that type of logic and I must say, your fervor in wanting people to agree with your point of view makes me now question why you would want to push so hard for this type of technology? I can see it being offered if someone wanted to use it, but I would cruise a different line or give up cruising all together if it were a "take it or leave it" type of option. All of the other things you list above are optional for people, an S&S card is not optional, you must have it to get on the ship and to leave it. I don't have On Star, I don't have a GPS, and the GPS function of my cell phone is deactivated. If I thought someone might track me anyway with my cell, I would get rid of that too.

[Cristallo]

Fair argument but is that emotional security or logic?

I don't believe anyone said anything about "personal tracking". We're talking "Electronic Tracking".

 

I imagine you have a cell phone. That signal is being tracked. You may even have a GPS in your car. That signal is being tracked. You may have On Star in your car. That signal is being tracked.

Notice I said the "Signal" is being tracked. Nobody knows that the signal belongs to you personaly. UNTIL disaster strikes and law enforcement comes in. Then they can take that signal and get more information.

 

That doesn't change the fact that there would be no need to track me while on a cruise. I'm not a missing 12 year old or currently suffering from Alzheimer's. Therefor you don't need to know my exact location on board just in case.

 

And I'm not buying you logic of them not tracking "you" they are tracking the cellphone or your car with onstar. Since I'm pretty sure my cellphone doesn't take my car for joy rides the only time they would need to be tracked would be when they were with me therefor tracking me.