How are the other LA people taking the news?

[MBprincess]

I was very sad to see that the Star would be leaving LA after May this year...

[spacewoman]

Thought I just read somewhere that Carnival is pulling out as well....... Not good for you Californians

[debt]

I'm hoping NCL will consider wine country cruises (LA, Santa Barbara, Oregon, San Francisco, San Diego, and back to LA) rather then just bailing altogether.

[newmexicoNita]

Thought I just read somewhere that Carnival is pulling out as well....... Not good for you Californians

 

According to our paper this morning all the cruise lines are pulling out. RCI is going to Galveston I think and NCL to Tampa. Carnaval will be headed to Austrailia and I am not sure about Princess. They mentioned in the article how much this will cost Calif or just Asn Diego alone cause that is where the Carnival ship is.

 

Apparently there are two reasons, well actually only one, but 2 reasons for it: they are loosing money as 1-people do not want to travel to Mexico because of the crime and the other (my thoughts, not the articles) is there are just not enough ports. unless you cruise just to be cruising how many times would you want to do the Mexican Riv?

 

Nita

[sdmike]

We just opened a brand new terminal in San Diego, just in time for Carnival to pull out of the SD market. :(

[fergusonvt]

Sorry for the West Coast folks but I for one am happy because I get to sail on her out of Florida.

[electricron]

Disney is going to own the Southern California market with the arrival of the Disney Wonder. I guess Holland America and Princess, with longer duration cruises that reach further away ports, will be their only major competitors left. Although I expect Carnival will keep a Fantasy class ship around for the 2 and 3 night short cruises.

 

There just aren't that many docks in the L.A. area for basing cruise ships. Long Beach is controlled by Carnival Corporation, and San Pedro will be controlled by Disney.

[sjbdtz]

I'm hoping NCL will consider wine country cruises (LA, Santa Barbara, Oregon, San Francisco, San Diego, and back to LA) rather then just bailing altogether.

 

 

They won't. It's a violation of the Jones act. They cannot pick people up in the US, and return them to the US without a stop at a DISTANT foreign port.

[scapino]

I'm hoping NCL will consider wine country cruises (LA, Santa Barbara, Oregon, San Francisco, San Diego, and back to LA) rather then just bailing altogether.

 

Can't just hit US ports

[bob brown]

They could do a coastal cruise as long as it hits a NEAR foreign port and returns to the same city it started from.

For example....San Diego-Ensenada-Catalina- San Francisco-Santa Barbara-San Diego, or some variation would be legal according to the Passenger Services Act.

[bob brown]

Or they could repo the US registered Pride of America over for a few coastal cruises before returning home to Honolulu.;)

[electricron]

Or they could repo the US registered Pride of America over for a few coastal cruises before returning home to Honolulu.;)

 

They would have to be very careful where the Pride of America sails.

1) No Alaskan ports allowed under its PSA exemption.;)

2) Sailing "mainly" (believe it or not, that's the actual word in the exemption) in Hawaii should allow Hawaii to Pacific Coastal cruises and vice versa, but one could argue that Pacific Coastal cruises without a Hawaiian port wouldn't be allowed under the PSA exemption, definitely not for a prolonged period of time.

 

Another disadvantage using the POA on Pacific Coastal cruises is its lack of a casino, and the resulting loss revenues. It was designed specifically for Hawaiian cruises with a port every day, it wouldn't necessarily be a great ship with some "at sea" days.

[debt]

Can't just hit US ports

 

Ooops! You're right. I missed Ensenada. :o

[USNUZULOOSE]

I am bummed because it is very costly to travel to the east coast just to cruise. I wouldnt mind doing a cruise to no where. Just as long as I could cruise.

[swedish weave]

They won't. It's a violation of the Jones act. They cannot pick people up in the US, and return them to the US without a stop at a DISTANT foreign port.

 

Do you know how the CTN's get around the Jones act ?

[Micchi]

Do you know how the CTN's get around the Jones act ?

 

They have no ports of call.

[woody73]

 

Disney is going to own the Southern California market with the arrival of the Disney Wonder.

The Disney Magic will not dock at the Port of Los Angeles year round. It arrives in L.A. on January 21, then leaves three months later for Alaska.

 

Woody

[SteelCruisin]

You can get around the Jones act by making your ship a U.S. flagged ship ,it must be registered in the USA but that opens up another can of worms.

[roger001]

Today's newspaper had an aritcle about cruise ships, pointing out that the Mexican port cruises are low demand and hard to fill resulting in low profits.

[SeattleCruiselover]

I'm hoping NCL will consider wine country cruises (LA, Santa Barbara, Oregon, San Francisco, San Diego, and back to LA) rather then just bailing altogether.

 

Princess already has plans to do that route, so NCL would not be likely to move into that market, even if they could, not enough call for it (Princess only plans to do a few a year). This was in response to people not being happy about them cutting down the number of MR sailings. I believe that Ensenada was included for one day, in order to meet the PVSA requirements.

[debt]

Princess already has plans to do that route, so NCL would not be likely to move into that market, even if they could, not enough call for it (Princess only plans to do a few a year). This was in response to people not being happy about them cutting down the number of MR sailings. I believe that Ensenada was included for one day, in order to meet the PVSA requirements.

 

Thanks for the info. It might be time to check out the Love Boat!

[Pszaffveauhraunne]

You can get around the Jones act by making your ship a U.S. flagged ship ,it must be registered in the USA but that opens up another can of worms.

 

One of the "minor" details is that you first have to BUILD your ship in the U.S. ... :eek:

[newmexicoNita]

Today's newspaper had an aritcle about cruise ships, pointing out that the Mexican port cruises are low demand and hard to fill resulting in low profits.

 

Probably the same story or similar as was in our paper a couple days ago.

 

Nita

[newmexicoNita]

I am bummed because it is very costly to travel to the east coast just to cruise. I wouldnt mind doing a cruise to no where. Just as long as I could cruise.

 

Hey, think about all of us who have to fly or drive a couple of days to get to any embarkation port. We are just accustom to doing it and accept what has to be.

 

Nita

[electricron]

The Disney Magic will not dock at the Port of Los Angeles year round. It arrives in L.A. on January 21, then leaves three months later for Alaska. Woody

Guess where it moves to? Alaska! Guess where NCL's L.A. based Star traditionally moved to for the summer? Alaska again. Guess where the Disney ship will move to this fall? Yes, back to L.A., just like the Star used to do.

So, for all practical purposes, the Wonder has already kicked the Star out of L.A.