Dress code.....

[PS90]

Yup!

 

 

 

This whole dress code issue revolves around several concepts, for example:

 

1. It's MY vacation and I'm going to do what I want to do

2. Screw the rules I'm going to do what I want to do

3. I don't really care about what people think I'll dress however I want to

 

Simply put most people who don't want to abide by the suggested dress codes are in reality just being:

 

(A) selfish

(B) self-centered

© rude

(D) ignorant (meaning they don't know)

(E) all of the above.

 

Sorry but I don't buy the argument that one can only be comfortable in shorts and a t-shirt. I can be just as comfortable sitting in slacks/kakki's with a polo shirt/short sleeve shirt.

 

As for formal night - I understand people NOT wanting to wear tux's/gowns and as long as they look presentable and business casual I don't have a problem. Heck I UNDERSTAND some people can't dress up for medical problems - it doesn't make my food taste any differently.

 

What I can't stand is the ATTITUDE moreso than the clothing.

 

Standards are established for a reason - not everyone can live up to them. To those people who want to live below the standard go ahead - just do it somewhere else and stop pulling the rest of us down! :cool:

 

PS I hope you're on my Solstice cruise - I wanna show you my croc boots I bought in Cozumel - love em! :)

 

I actually completely agree with you!

 

I just think that some CC posters (not you) automatically go on the defensive, because, as soon as anyone asks about jeans in the MDR (for example), they picture someone who wants to wear saggy, holey jeans and a t-shirt with a naked lady straddling a beer can.

 

And sometimes it's easier to group people into that category (just as it's easy to stereotype "old people" as people who always wear a cardigan and slacks up to their armpits) when you don't know them, than to realize that they are people who may want to follow the rules and may even want to look nice, but may simply not have the same idea of formality as other people do.

[eandj]

On Sols the maitre d's at all the speciality resturants told me there is NO FORMAL enforced in them I saw t shirts in Murano....just as long as they pay

 

The dress guidelines for all specialties is smart casual. In Murano's, being a sedate French type atmosphere, many men and women tend to dress up.

T shirts in that restaurant are rare I'd say. Never saw them.

[PS90]

Maybe X should just split the MDR into two separate rooms - and put labels on the front doors, one that says "Slobs", and one that says "Stuffed Shirts". That way, everyone can both be offended by the stereotyping and be comfortable hanging out with other people in their same stereotype...:D

[eandj]

I completely agree vacations are paid for with hard earned money. Not once did I ever say that i was going to wear my shorts and t-shirt in the MDR. I will be sitting at a Blackjack table with my legs under the table. I will only be conversing with only the Dealer, cocktail waitress and of course my beautiful wife when she comes by with words of encouragement. If the nosey people "hunting" for people dressed "inappropriatly" were not "hunting" for me, they would probably not even notice me.

 

As of late many here on CC have said they noticed a significant numbver of cruisers ignoring dress guidelines. Especailly summer and holiday cruisers. (side note..... I blame that on the fact that X has fantastic new ships which are attracting new cruisers to the line. THose cruisers are perhaps past cruisers on more casual lines. The TA is anxious to sell a cruise. Not match a line to a customer's expectations.)

The reason I "hunted" for those dressed casually during the evenings was to make this point....

 

The guidelines call for smart casual in the ship's public rooms. Shorts, tshirts,sandals etc. do not fit into smart casual wear. Some like you, say it's my vacation and I'm not going to worry about.. the atmosphere on Celebrity ships... what other passengers expect from Celebrity.... their dress guidelines or any other ideas I disagree with or find a nuisance.

 

My point being that on this particular ship, on this particular itinerary more than 95% of the passengers respected the guidelines and just added to the "nights out" atmosphere. Celebrity cruiselines markets a traditional image maintaining formal evenings and smart casual wear around the ship in the evenings. Many other lines don't. And many cruisers choose those lines for that "freedom."

 

Your shorts in the casino would not stop me in my tracks. And I would keep my thoughts to myself.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

I actually completely agree with you!

 

I just think that some CC posters (not you) automatically go on the defensive, because, as soon as anyone asks about jeans in the MDR (for example), they picture someone who wants to wear saggy, holey jeans and a t-shirt with a naked lady straddling a beer can.

 

And sometimes it's easier to group people into that category (just as it's easy to stereotype "old people" as people who always wear a cardigan and slacks up to their armpits) when you don't know them, than to realize that they are people who may want to follow the rules and may even want to look nice, but may simply not have the same idea of formality as other people do.

 

We do agree. I can say that on my two Celebrity cruises in 2010 the OVERALL level of dress and decorum was higher than on my NCL & RCCL cruises.

 

I've posted pictures of people dressed smart casual and others dressed in ill-fitting tux's and from a fashion perspective the well fitting models looked much better than the more formal ill-fitting people.

 

I'll say again I'd rather dine with a couple who displayed proper manners but dressed business casual then a couple who dressed to the 9's but were pompous a***.

 

Fortunately I haven't meet very many of the later but I've enjoyed meeting many of the former

[Ma Bell]

Yes, the truth is most Celebrity cruisers do look good every night and there are very few who completely push the envelope. As you said, when someone does they are definitely noticeable, but everyone keeps their opinions to themselves.

[sarahc78]

Ok, I have a relatively simple question that will probably recieve negative responses. My wife and I are booked on a cruise in March, I have been reading about the evening dress code. Smart casual and formal, both make sense to us, we understand the need for a dress code in the MDR. Does the dress code also go for the casino or the outside bars?

 

I have seen many posts that Celebrity caters towards a different class of people. In my opinion, dress code does not seperate people by class. I can dress up for dinner, but if I am in the casino having a few beverages and gambling I think I should be able to wear nice shorts, t-shirt and flip flops. After all, I am on vacation in the Caribbean, it is a little warm down there.

 

I was surprised when I went on the Summit last year how many people didnt adhere to Celebrity rules re: dress code, no kids in thallosotherapy pool (sp), etc... On non formal nights the men sitting at the table next to us wore shorts, polo shirts, and sandals. On formal nights it was khakis and a hawaiin type shirt.

 

This was a far cry from what I had read hear on board. I expected everyone to be in ball gowns and tuxes/suits. It could have been our sailing. I enjoyed dressing up because we were without our kids so everynight was date night for us ;)

 

I would say 70% of the people on our cruise wore shorts/skirts/skorts/capris w/ nice shirts and sandals or flip flops no matter what evening in the casino or bars. Again could have just been our sailings itinerary.

[Joedog]

As of late many here on CC have said they noticed a significant numbver of cruisers ignoring dress guidelines.

 

The guidelines call for smart casual in the ship's public rooms. Shorts, tshirts,sandals etc. do not fit into smart casual wear.

 

My point being that on this particular ship, on this particular itinerary more than 95% of the passengers respected the guidelines and just added to the "nights out" atmosphere. Celebrity cruiselines markets a traditional image maintaining formal evenings and smart casual wear around the ship in the evenings. Many other lines don't. And many cruisers choose those lines for that "freedom.".

 

eandj, I quoted from you post your comments that specifically deal with the dress code.

 

From your post I would conclude that "smart casual" does not include shorts and tshirts and that in the evening cruisers are supposed to follow the smart casual guidelines (as a minimum) when in the ship's "public rooms" (like the casino).

 

However, when I go to the Celebrity website and read the actual guidelines I find something a little different.

 

"Smart Casual and Above

 

Ladies: Skirt or pants (no holes, rips or tears) complemented by sweater or blouse.

 

Gentlemen: Pants (no holes, rips or tears) with sports shirt or sweater. Shirts must have sleeves.

 

Note: T-shirts, swimsuits, robes, bare feet, tank tops, baseball caps and pool wear are not allowed in the main restaurant or specialty restaurant at any time. Shorts and flip flops are not allowed in the evening hours. Additionally, guests are asked to follow the "Smart Casual and Above" dress code in the Celebrity Theater for all evening performances."

 

Specifically, from the Celebrity website I read that shorts, etc (not "Smart Casual" dress) are not allowed ONLY in the MDR, specialty restaurants and the Celebrity Theatre (evening performances only). There is no mention of other public areas of the ship in general or the Casino specifically.

 

Is it just me, or is Celebrity being purposely vague here? Is the above stated policy clear or is it written in such a way that someone looking for justification to support their opinion of proper or acceptable evening dress (at least for the areas other than the MDR, specialty restaurants or theatre) can find it, no matter which way they think it should be?

 

I am of the opinion that it is written the way it is so that cruisers who like the more "refined" evening atmosphere will think that that is what is required and cruisers who want a more relaxed atmosphere (shorts) will think that is acceptable.

 

If the current dress code on the Celebrity website is different from what it was in the recent past I would conclude that Celebrity is indeed relaxing their standards. For good or for bad, we all have our opinion about that.

[dkjretired]

eandj, I quoted from you post your comments that specifically deal with the dress code.

 

From your post I would conclude that "smart casual" does not include shorts and tshirts and that in the evening cruisers are supposed to follow the smart casual guidelines (as a minimum) when in the ship's "public rooms" (like the casino).

 

However, when I go to the Celebrity website and read the actual guidelines I find something a little different.

 

"Smart Casual and Above

 

Ladies: Skirt or pants (no holes, rips or tears) complemented by sweater or blouse.

 

Gentlemen: Pants (no holes, rips or tears) with sports shirt or sweater. Shirts must have sleeves.

 

Note: T-shirts, swimsuits, robes, bare feet, tank tops, baseball caps and pool wear are not allowed in the main restaurant or specialty restaurant at any time. Shorts and flip flops are not allowed in the evening hours. Additionally, guests are asked to follow the "Smart Casual and Above" dress code in the Celebrity Theater for all evening performances."

 

Specifically, from the Celebrity website I read that shorts, etc (not "Smart Casual" dress) are not allowed ONLY in the MDR, specialty restaurants and the Celebrity Theatre (evening performances only). There is no mention of other public areas of the ship in general or the Casino specifically.

 

Is it just me, or is Celebrity being purposely vague here? Is the above stated policy clear or is it written in such a way that someone looking for justification to support their opinion of proper or acceptable evening dress (at least for the areas other than the MDR, specialty restaurants or theatre) can find it, no matter which way they think it should be?

 

I am of the opinion that it is written the way it is so that cruisers who like the more "refined" evening atmosphere will think that that is what is required and cruisers who want a more relaxed atmosphere (shorts) will think that is acceptable.

 

If the current dress code on the Celebrity website is different from what it was in the recent past I would conclude that Celebrity is indeed relaxing their standards. For good or for bad, we all have our opinion about that.

 

Bottom line is, excluding discussion of the restaurants Smart Casual applies only to the theater, no other rooms. Has been that way for at least a year.

[Joedog]

Bottom line is, excluding discussion of the restaurants Smart Casual applies only to the theater, no other rooms. Has been that way for at least a year.

 

If this is true, as seems to be per the Celebrity website, why do so many diehard Celebrity fans seem to be insisting on this thread that it isnt and why do they insist on posting insulting and demeaning posts criticizing other posters who only state that they intend to follow the current policy?

[Mr. Luckytoo]

If this is true, as seems to be per the Celebrity website, why do so many diehard Celebrity fans seem to be insisting on this thread that it isnt and why do they insist on posting insulting and demeaning posts criticizing other posters who only state that they intend to follow the current policy?

 

Joe, there is truth, and perception.

 

In your earlier post you accurately noted that Celebrity keeps their dress guidelines vague so that they can please both the strict 'formal' crowd while at the same time giving some 'wiggle room' for others.

 

It's been my personal observation that the dress code is much more strict here on the CC boards than on the actual ship(s). It's also my personal observation that the older the crowd the more nicely dressed - that's just my perception.

 

As for posts criticizing others for wanting to wear what they wear I'll take it that you may be referring to my prior use of the word slob? If so I'll post the definition for you:

 

World English Dictionary

slob (slɒb) — n 1. informal a slovenly, unattractive, and lazy person

 

So given the definition above I would consider a person who wears shorts, a t-shirt and flip-flops on formal night: informal, unattractive and yes lazy, i.e., a slob. :cool:

 

Let me ask you this - if you were to go to the sympony, theatre, opera, etc., would you consider wearing shorts and a t-shirt? No because it wouldn't be appropriate...unless you're on a cruise ship?

 

Oh well....X the rules right?

[Bridge Maven]

Joe, there is truth, and perception.

 

In your earlier post you accurately noted that Celebrity keeps their dress guidelines vague so that they can please both the strict 'formal' crowd while at the same time giving some 'wiggle room' for others.

 

It's been my personal observation that the dress code is much more strict here on the CC boards than on the actual ship(s). It's also my personal observation that the older the crowd the more nicely dressed - that's just my perception.

 

As for posts criticizing others for wanting to wear what they wear I'll take it that you may be referring to my prior use of the word slob? If so I'll post the definition for you:

 

World English Dictionary

slob (slɒb) — n 1. informal a slovenly, unattractive, and lazy person

 

So given the definition above I would consider a person who wears shorts, a t-shirt and flip-flops on formal night: informal, unattractive and yes lazy, i.e., a slob. :cool:

 

Let me ask you this - if you were to go to the sympony, theatre, opera, etc., would you consider wearing shorts and a t-shirt? No because it wouldn't be appropriate...unless you're on a cruise ship?

 

Oh well....X the rules right?

 

Speaking of vague...Has anyone ever tried to find an official definition of "smart casual"? There are so many variations of it that it is possible to find one that will support whatever a specific passenger would like to wear. "country club casual", on the other hand, is more specific, as well as understood, and maybe that is why Celebrity chose to use the term "smart casual" instead of "country club casual"....just a thought

[Ma Bell]

It's really very simple. Every day there is a program delivered to your cabin. There is a title called "evening attire" and it says either smart casual or formal, depending on the day.

 

There are casual decks where the buffet and pool areas are that are always casual. Shorts and flip flops are not allowed in any of the restaurants in the evening, except the buffet. They are also not allowed in the theater. Most people who are dressed smart casual don't change their clothes to shorts and flip flops unless they are going up by the pool. It's very unusual to see anyone on the other passenger decks dressed that way.

[Can'tstopcruising]

I have seen people up at the buffet in shorts, flip flops, etc. Actually, it surprises me because I would find it too cold on the ship.

[Bridge Maven]

I have seen people up at the buffet in shorts' date=' flip flops, etc. Actually, it surprises me because I would find it too cold on the ship.[/quote']

 

Can'tstopcruising, I think I may the only person who has never had a pair of flip flops since I was a child and they were called "thongs", because I think they are very uncomfortable. Even then I only wore "thongs" on the beach so I wouldn't ruin my regular shoes.

[lvcruiser]

Can'tstopcruising, I think I may the only person who has never had a pair of flip flops since I was a child and they were called "thongs", because I think they are very uncomfortable. Even then I only wore "thongs" on the beach so I wouldn't ruin my regular shoes.

 

No, you're not the only one. I have always found flip flops to be not only uncomfortable, but also quite visually unappealing.

[Redtravel]

I was on Millenium last week and my friend was on Equinox. We were both amazed at how poorly some people dressed. You can only dress yourself. Those slobs looked badly. My guess is that in the interest of making money, Celebrity is Xing the rules and the dress codes. You should have seen the poorly dressed people who were invited to dine at the Captain's Table...some were fine, but others did not wear jackets or ties. The woman in cotton wrinkles capris and flip flobs at the Captains Table on formal night is poor. Those people who didn't bring formal clothes could have declined the invitation.

[Joedog]

No, you're not the only one. I have always found flip flops to be not only uncomfortable, but also quite visually unappealing.

 

I lived in Hawaii a few years and used to go down to Waikiki regularly to hang out and I dont think I ever said to myself "Wow, look at those ugly flip-flops on that girl in the bikini".

 

If someone said to me "Did you see the ugly flip-flops on that girl in the bikini?" I would probably answer "She had feet?".

 

I guess it's a matter of taste and perspective.

[PS90]

I lived in Hawaii a few years and used to go down to Waikiki regularly to hang out and I dont think I ever said to myself "Wow, look at those ugly flip-flops on that girl in the bikini".

 

If someone said to me "Did you see the ugly flip-flops on that girl in the bikini?" I would probably answer "She had feet?".

I guess it's a matter of taste and perspective.

 

LOL! I agree. Flip-flops aren't designed to be the center of attention...

[Presto2]

I find this thread really worrying - have never been the 'formal' wear types but have always dressed in smart casuals at hotels abroad (not jeans though). We booked Celebrity for hubby's special birthday because we thought it was a 5 star cruise line and that extra bit special. We even got our posh gear to wear on formal nights to fall in line with the dress code -

 

Last August we found ourselves on a P&0 cruise (wasn't planned, long story) and loved the novelty of dressing for formal nights ------ we did freedom dining but still went with the dress code.

 

We now read that Celebrity dress code seems to be less formal and that a lot of people don't bother ------------ have to say we're really disappointed. Celebrity was to be our SPECIAL cruise ----- I really hope that we won't be paying double the price for a cruise that doesn't feel as special .....................................................

 

:mad:

[sarahc78]

I find this thread really worrying - have never been the 'formal' wear types but have always dressed in smart casuals at hotels abroad (not jeans though). We booked Celebrity for hubby's special birthday because we thought it was a 5 star cruise line and that extra bit special. We even got our posh gear to wear on formal nights to fall in line with the dress code -

 

Last August we found ourselves on a P&0 cruise (wasn't planned, long story) and loved the novelty of dressing for formal nights ------ we did freedom dining but still went with the dress code.

 

We now read that Celebrity dress code seems to be less formal and that a lot of people don't bother ------------ have to say we're really disappointed. Celebrity was to be our SPECIAL cruise ----- I really hope that we won't be paying double the price for a cruise that doesn't feel as special .....................................................

 

:mad:

 

It will be special, trust me. We had a great time on Celebrity. You really shouldnt let others actions or attire dictate what type of evening you will have.

 

Even though not everyone dressed up on our cruise, we did and loved every minute of it. :D

[redridinghood]

I find this thread really worrying - have never been the 'formal' wear types but have always dressed in smart casuals at hotels abroad (not jeans though). We booked Celebrity for hubby's special birthday because we thought it was a 5 star cruise line and that extra bit special. We even got our posh gear to wear on formal nights to fall in line with the dress code -

 

Last August we found ourselves on a P&0 cruise (wasn't planned, long story) and loved the novelty of dressing for formal nights ------ we did freedom dining but still went with the dress code.

 

We now read that Celebrity dress code seems to be less formal and that a lot of people don't bother ------------ have to say we're really disappointed. Celebrity was to be our SPECIAL cruise ----- I really hope that we won't be paying double the price for a cruise that doesn't feel as special .....................................................

 

:mad:

 

We cruised on Ventura 2009 and found it to be better dressed than Eclipse a few weeks ago. Having said that, we thought Eclipse has FAR more going for it than any P&O ship, so it makes up for it in other areas, and then some. We did dress up on formal nights, me in long dresses, hair up and diamonds and husband in a tux getting lots of approving nods from the ladies! It is a shame that the whole ship doesn't make the effort, but it didn't spoil our cruise and I am sure it won't spoil yours. We dress for each other, not the other passengers.

 

We also did QM2 last year and everyone was dressed to the nines, it ended up being my least favourite cruise of them all (not for that reason but for many more than I won't start in this thread!).

 

We felt very special on Eclipse, the staff are wonderful and the ship is stunning. Enjoy your cruise, you won't be disappointed!

[rlsii488]

Ok, I have a relatively simple question that will probably recieve negative responses. My wife and I are booked on a cruise in March, I have been reading about the evening dress code. Smart casual and formal, both make sense to us, we understand the need for a dress code in the MDR. Does the dress code also go for the casino or the outside bars?

 

I have seen many posts that Celebrity caters towards a different class of people. In my opinion, dress code does not seperate people by class. I can dress up for dinner, but if I am in the casino having a few beverages and gambling I think I should be able to wear nice shorts, t-shirt and flip flops. After all, I am on vacation in the Caribbean, it is a little warm down there.

 

 

Who would have thought that from my original post of SIMPLY ASKING about the dress in the casino, so many people could get so bent! It doesn't take rocket science to know what the dress "should" be in the MDR or in the specialty restaurants. That wasn't the question!

 

Unless someone wishes to pay for someone elses cruise and all the extras that are involved, we should all dress in a manner that makes us comfortable OUTSIDE THE MDR!

[Mr. Luckytoo]

Nothing gets the responses like a dress code question...unless you consider the chair hogs! :rolleyes:

 

My answer to your original question, based on my experience with Celebrity is this:

 

If you want to go to the casino in shorts, t-shirt and sandels you will be allowed to gamble. I seriously doubt any of the casino people will ask you to leave. (my opinion from what I've seen)

 

On sea days you will not be alone - many people dress like that in the casino. At night 95+% of the men will be wearing long pants and either polo/short sleeve silk/jackets. On formal nights you will be very noticable dressed like that because a high percentage of Celebrity cruisers like to get dressed up.

 

PS Have a great cruise!

[Spf12]

Who would have thought that from my original post of SIMPLY ASKING about the dress in the casino, so many people could get so bent! It doesn't take rocket science to know what the dress "should" be in the MDR or in the specialty restaurants. That wasn't the question!

 

Unless someone wishes to pay for someone elses cruise and all the extras that are involved, we should all dress in a manner that makes us comfortable OUTSIDE THE MDR!

Many of the responders have nothing else to do with their time,the pollyanas and the pollypuritans.