Craps on the Celebrity Summit

[FishonEd]

Wonder if they made you use any of these dice? :rolleyes:

 

Shaved Dice - These dice have been shaved slightly on one particular side so that they are more rectangle than square. This has the effect of cheating a die with four sides that are shorter and thus have less surface area than the shaved side and it's opposite face. The shaved side and it's opposite face are more likely to show than the four shorter sides. These dice are also known as 'Bricks' or 'Barred' dice however there are specific names for the dice depending on what side has been shaved.

If the 1 or 6 side has been shaved the die is referred to as a 'Six-Ace Flat'. These dice will work against the shooter.

When a pair of dice have had either the 3 or 4 side shaved and the 6 or 1 side shaved this pair is called a 'Flat Passer'

If the 3 or 4 side has been shaved the die is referred to as a 'Flat Passer'. With these sides shaved dice totals of 4, 5, 9 and 10 will happen more often.

 

Sometimes by altering the edge of a die you can affect the outcome of the roll. Edge modifications can be difficult to spot and it is easy enough to assume that a die with rounded edges must be loaded. This is not the case, if all the sides are the same then the die is fair, if one edge of the die is different then the die is considered loaded. These dice are known as Trip dice. Trip dice will wear with use and will need to be replaced by the cheat.

 

Cut-Edge - A cut-edge die has one edge that has been shaved at 45 degrees while the other edges have a 60 degree edge. This will affect the roll of the die.

 

Raised Edge - This die has a lip on one or more sides. These lips increase the surface area of the particular side and also grip the table cloth when rolled.

 

Razor-Edge - These dice will have different edges making them more effective. One or more edges will be cut with a razor and the other edges will be rounded or turned. This will cause the die to roll on a rounded edge and grab on a razored edge.

 

Saw-tooth - These dice have had an edge scored with tiny cuts with the goal of having these cuts grab the table and come to rest on a certain number. Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to determine where the bias of these dice is located thus making them worthless to someone trying to cheat.

 

As with anything there are some less effective methods of cheating. The following examples are those which are fairly ineffective methods of cheating.

 

Raised Spots - The idea behind this idea is that the pip (or spot) on the dice are actually raised off the surface of the die instead of being level with the surface. When the die is rolled the Raised pip is supposed to encourage the die to roll off that side. This type of loaded dice is strictly used by amateurs as it is less effective than other types of load dice and is easily noticed by anyone that touches the dice.

 

Capped Dice - A Capped die is one that has been shaved down on one side and then had the shaved off area replaced with a similar looking material but that has a different elastic properties. The goal is to have the dice bounce off the capped side and settle on an uncapped side. The cap when done properly is initially invisible but with use it quickly becomes evident that the die has been doctored. A capped die can be spotted by pressing a fingernail into all sides of a die, the capped side will have some give to it.

 

Painted Dice - Perhaps painted is not the right term. These dice have had one or more side painted with a clear sticky substance that is activated by moisture. The cheat would activate the sticky substance by blowing on the dice immediately before throwing them. The sticky face will then hopefully stick to the table surface as they roll down the table. While the sticky sides might stick to the table, other things might stick to the face of the dice giving them away.

 

Slick Dice - These are dice that have been polished on one or more side and roughed up on others. The idea behind this is that the roughed up sides will grip the table and the polished sides will roll more easily. Any advantage gained here is hard to determine because even fair dice will become rough with regular use.

 

Bristles - These dice have been doctored with a pin that in inserted into the center pip on the five side of a die. The pin protrudes from the die only very slightly and will catch on the table cloth. These dice are easy to spot, are a very old method of cheating at craps and no longer used by cheats today. The term bristles comes from when a single pig or horse hair was used before pins.

 

Mis-spotted Dice - Normal dice have opposing sides that add up to 7, Mis-spotted dice are dice that have opposing faces that are identical when used as a pair it can be almost impossible not to role a 7 but these are very easy to spot and have become relegated to the realm of jokes and magic tricks. Other names for these dice are tops and bottoms, tops, mis-spots, horses and tees (T's).

 

Yo Eleven,

Is this for real these kind of things really happen. :eek:

ed :D

[Yo Eleven]

Yo Eleven,

Is this for real these kind of things really happen. :eek:

 

ed :D

When you play in a non regulated casino, anything can happen. :cool:

[FishonEd]

When you play in a non regulated casino, anything can happen. :cool:

 

Interesting.....

Thanks for the info.

ed :D

[Dicenator]

Yo Eleven,

 

I don't feel that the dice were weird in any way since the 7 out combinations fully covered all 3 combinations: 4/3, 5/2 and 6/1.

 

The pips on the dice were strange. Every casino I've ever been in has a solid filled in white circle for the pips. On the Summit each pip was 2 concentric rings of white. That first night playing craps they really looked weird but by the second night I stopped noticing it.

 

Dicenator

[Dicenator]

Fishon_Ed,

 

I wouldn't let the absence of the boxman stop me from playing craps. The dealers on the Summit were very competent. In Atlantic City the state legislature changed the casino rules around January 1 and I am now seeing casinos operating craps without a boxman. Of course the pit supervisors keep an eye on what is going on and if things are slow they will sit at the box for a while.

 

good luck,

 

Dicenator

[FishonEd]

Well got back on the 8th and just getting around to posting.

Needless to say it was the worse I ever did (in my short experiences) at craps. Had thoughts about trying the dark side but do not understand that just yet. Will be studing that for up and comming trips to the crap table.

Dicenator:

I see what you mean about a bouncy table. Never seen so may dice bounce off the table.

Hope to do better on my next trip.

ed :D

[Yo Eleven]

Well got back on the 8th and just getting around to posting.

Needless to say it was the worse I ever did (in my short experiences) at craps. Had thoughts about trying the dark side but do not understand that just yet. Will be studing that for up and comming trips to the crap table.

 

Dicenator:

I see what you mean about a bouncy table. Never seen so may dice bounce off the table.

 

Hope to do better on my next trip.

 

ed :D

Ed, the dark side is EASY!!!!!!!! You just need to keep your mouth shut, play your own game, and tip the dealers now and then to keep a helpful and watchful eye on you. Other than that, you will master it in a matter of minutes. You won't make many friends, if any, at the table, but who needs friends anyway? :p

[Casino Player]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Fishon Ed: When the dice aren't hitting numbers then it is time to play the other side of the t able. Just put your bets instead of on the Pass Line on the Don't Pass Line. Then keep your bets there until the shooter either makes his point, you lose, or sevens out, you win. Over all, have fun. You may not make too many friends, but, friends come and go anyway.