Craps on the Celebrity Summit

[FishonEd]

Anyone been on the Summit lately and played craps? Just wondering what the odds were? How were the dealers?

I am sailing on the Summit this May and would like any info you can share.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

ed :D

[Casino Player]

Anyone been on the Summit lately and played craps? Just wondering what the odds were? How were the dealers?

I am sailing on the Summit this May and would like any info you can share.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

ed :D

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO FishonEd: I see you made it here. Have a good time.

[MrCo9]

The dealers get nicer the more you tip them.

[Dicenator]

I'll be on the Celebrity Summit sailing on 4/16/11. When I get back I usually post a comprehensive trip report. This should tell you what you are looking for.

 

Dicenator

[Casino Player]

I'll be on the Celebrity Summit sailing on 4/16/11. When I get back I usually post a comprehensive trip report. This should tell you what you are looking for.

 

Dicenator

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Dicenator: I have a friend on the Summit now. I am going on the new ship the Silhoutte later this year. Next year, hopefully, the Summit to NE/Canada.

[jech93]

I just got home from a week on the Solstice. I would expect Celebrity would have the same setup on both ships. The good news was that they had a full-size craps table with $5 minimum. The max was only $300 though. The bad news was that the table (along with the rest of the casino) was almost always empty and I find craps very boring if you don't have at least three people playing.

 

Most of the time they didn't even have staff at the craps table. I'm sure they would have sent them out if I wanted to play but I hate being the only one there.

 

They had a craps tutorial and I got all excited and grabbed my cash. 20 people were there for the tutorial and not a single one of them stayed to play. I did play about a dozen rolls hoping to bring others in. A couple people did show up and play 10 or 20 dollars before leaving. I ended up $27 down and cashed out.

 

A couple nights later there were about 6 others players at night and I stopped by long enough to win abour 50 bucks but it was late and the wife was expecting me back at the room so I dropped out.

 

The final night, the action heated up but I was exhausted and still needed to pack my bags. I won $115 in less than 20 minutes and cashed out again.

 

The tables were nice. The staff were helpful and friendly. But the banker at the table couldn't count chips and tried to explain how 7 $25 chips and 45 $5 chips was only $300. He had to count it a few times. So watch them like a hawk and keep track of what you hand them. I don't think he was trying to cheat me. I just don't think he was very good at math.

[cb at sea]

Most ship's have only 1X odds...it's not Vegas, by any means! Sometimes, they'll up the odds to 2X!!!! Exciting! (lol!)

[Casino Player]

Most ship's have only 1X odds...it's not Vegas, by any means! Sometimes, they'll up the odds to 2X!!!! Exciting! (lol!)

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO cb at sea: Celebrity Cruise Line has 3x-4x-5x odds on their ships. They used to have only single odds then they had double odds. I guess they found out with 3x-4x-5x odds they would get more serious craps players come on their ships.

[AndyTheK]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO cb at sea: Celebrity Cruise Line has 3x-4x-5x odds on their ships. They used to have only single odds then they had double odds. I guess they found out with 3x-4x-5x odds they would get more serious craps players come on their ships.

And to make it easier on the dealers who only need to multiply by 7 :rolleyes:

 

FYI Princess has double odds fleet wide. You're rated if you play a $25 spread for two hours a night. Not the greatest but we don't choose a cruise line for the craps odds.

[Casino Player]

And to make it easier on the dealers who only need to multiply by 7 :rolleyes:

 

FYI Princess has double odds fleet wide. You're rated if you play a $25 spread for two hours a night. Not the greatest but we don't choose a cruise line for the craps odds.

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO AndyTheK: Princess Cruise Line is part of the Carnival Cruise family owned by the Carnival Corp along with Cunard, Carnival, Holland America, Costa, and The Yachts of Seaborne. They all have double odds on their craps tables.

 

Each cruise line is different. They offer a slightly different product than their competitors. Otherwise you wouldn't need the different cruise lines just one instead.

[Feelin' Nauti']

I'll be on the Celebrity Summit sailing on 4/16/11. When I get back I usually post a comprehensive trip report. This should tell you what you are looking for.

 

Dicenator

Sailing on the Summit too.

Hope we come back winners. ;)..:D

[Casino Player]

Sailing on the Summit too.

Hope we come back winners. ;)..:D

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Feelin' Nauti': Good luck in the casino on your cruise which it seems is coming up soon. Next year' date=' with luck, I will be going on that ship to New England/Canada. My wife and I like the Millininium class ships. [/size']

[Dicenator]

Feelin' Nauti',

 

I'll be at the craps table every evening after dinner as soon as they open the table probably around 7:30 to 8:00. You'll recognize me because if at all possible I'll be at SR1 and I'll be most likely throwing the dice underhand.

 

Bob (Dicenator)

[Casino Player]

Feelin' Nauti',

 

I'll be at the craps table every evening after dinner as soon as they open the table probably around 7:30 to 8:00. You'll recognize me because if at all possible I'll be at SR1 and I'll be most likely throwing the dice underhand.

 

Bob (Dicenator)

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Dicenator: You will be on that cruise too? I wish you much luck. I have had an inordinate amount of good rolls on Celebrity ships. Of course, it may start catching up to me on my next Celebrity cruise later this year or there is something about the table that agrees with my style of rolling the dice. I have changed the way I roll the dice since my last Celebrity cruise so we will find out.

 

From past experiences on Celebrity Cruise Line ships the Craps table is open at 1900 hours or during the early seating. However, most nights other players don't arrive so early. Just hard core craps players like us.

[MrCo9]

And to make it easier on the dealers who only need to multiply by 7 :rolleyes:

Only true if you're taking full odds on every bet, otherwise dealer still has to think.

[FishonEd]

Feelin' Nauti',

 

I'll be at the craps table every evening after dinner as soon as they open the table probably around 7:30 to 8:00. You'll recognize me because if at all possible I'll be at SR1 and I'll be most likely throwing the dice underhand.

 

Bob (Dicenator)

 

Dicenator....... Feeling' Nauti

Hope you both do well and looking foward to a review when you guys get back.

ed :D

[Dicenator]

Fishon Ed,

 

My report will be posted most likely on Sunday 4/24 when I get home. I usually comment on the table, the length, the bounce characteristics and in general how playable it it. I also comment on the crew and what they are like and also the players if I'm seeing some regulars who are there every night.

 

I keep track of every throw that I make so I'll report on every hand that I throw: the total number of throws, come out winners and points made and whether or not I made money at the tables. I've been playing craps on my last 6 cruises and I broke even on one and made money on the other 5. My last cruise was on the Carnival Glory last June, it was only a 4 day cruise and I made $400 at craps.

 

I am really looking forward to this one because over the last year and a half I've been working on a Underhand throw and have finally worked out all the bugs. Since July of last year using this throw, covering about 3000 throws in casinos, my average roll length has been approximately 13.25. Average roll length I count the initial come out throw as throw #1 and continue the count until the 7 out. The average dice thrower averages 8.5 throws per hand.

 

Dicenator

[MrCo9]

I am really looking forward to this one because over the last year and a half I've been working on a Underhand throw and have finally worked out all the bugs. Since July of last year using this throw, covering about 3000 throws in casinos, my average roll length has been approximately 13.25. Average roll length I count the initial come out throw as throw #1 and continue the count until the 7 out. The average dice thrower averages 8.5 throws per hand.

Do you ever call your bets off? If the average shooter holds the dice for 8.5 rolls, do you call your bets off after the 6th or 7th roll? If you CONSISTENTLY roll 13 rolls or more, do you call your bets off after the 12th or 13th roll? I'm a hunch/superstitious player. I'll call my bets off after certain things happen. (Wife or girlfriend of any player approaches table, especially if same woman is wife of one player AND girlfriend of another) Coctail waitress FINALLY shows us, more than 2 or 3 craps numbers roll in a row.

 

When working I have a great feel for the table, some nights I can predict within a roll or 2 when 80% of the shooters are done. When playing I have been able to have my bets in action for an hour while only taking action for anywhere from 2 rolls to 20 rolls on different shooters before calling them off and missing many of the 7-outs. Granted I will quite often miss many paying opporunites when I'm off and the shooter rolls 3 or 4 8s in a row. All part of the give and take of calling your bets off. Try it sometime.

[Dicenator]

Mr Co 9,

 

I usually don't bet on random rollers and if I do it's only 1 unit on the 6 and 8. On myself I use a regression betting method usually starting with 3 units on the inside numbers regressed down to one unit after 2 paying hits or 7 throws. So 7 throws is my threshold for caution. Once I regress the bets they stay up until I 7 out. Since I record all my throws if I see that I'm hitting one or two numbers frequently in that hand I'll do a 1 unit press. As you can tell I'm a very conservative better and the strongest part of my craps game is my dice throwing.

 

I hope this answers your question.

 

Dicenator

[FishonEd]

Fishon Ed,

 

My report will be posted most likely on Sunday 4/24 when I get home. I usually comment on the table, the length, the bounce characteristics and in general how playable it it. I also comment on the crew and what they are like and also the players if I'm seeing some regulars who are there every night.

 

I keep track of every throw that I make so I'll report on every hand that I throw: the total number of throws, come out winners and points made and whether or not I made money at the tables. I've been playing craps on my last 6 cruises and I broke even on one and made money on the other 5. My last cruise was on the Carnival Glory last June, it was only a 4 day cruise and I made $400 at craps.

 

I am really looking forward to this one because over the last year and a half I've been working on a Underhand throw and have finally worked out all the bugs. Since July of last year using this throw, covering about 3000 throws in casinos, my average roll length has been approximately 13.25. Average roll length I count the initial come out throw as throw #1 and continue the count until the 7 out. The average dice thrower averages 8.5 throws per hand.

 

Dicenator

 

Dicenator,

You talk about dice throwing and how you been working on an underhand throw. How do you practice? Just by going to the tables or do you have a set up in your basement. It just seems that it would be hard to practice or expensive to practice if just by going to casino's.

ed :D

[MrCo9]

Dicenator,

You talk about dice throwing and how you been working on an underhand throw. How do you practice? Just by going to the tables or do you have a set up in your basement. It just seems that it would be hard to practice or expensive to practice if just by going to casino's.

 

ed :D

I'm pretty sure he practices in his mother's basement. ;-)

[Dicenator]

Fishon Ed,

 

I built a practice rig that I place on top of my dining room table. It is 4 pieces with none of them attached to each other. If we have company and need the dining room it takes me 2 minutes to take it down and put it away.

 

I probably practice on average 5 days a week making 30 throws per session. This usually takes me about 20 minutes. When I first started practicing about 3 years ago I was spending more time just learning how to throw the dice while attempting to exert some influence on the outcome. After you become fairly competent you usually work on only one aspect of the throw at a time. Right now my main focus is trying to maximize the percentage of throws that hit my 3 inch square target area.

 

Dicenator

[Dicenator]

Fishon Ed,

 

I put a 4 page word document together as a trip report but I don't know how to put it in this message board so I'll give you the highlights.

 

The craps table was 12 feet long with a micro fiber layout. Min. bets were $5 and the max was $300. The table opened at 7 in the evening but did not open during the day on the at sea day. The odds were 3X/4X/5X. They also had all the proposition bets on the layout. 90% of the time they operated the table without a boxman. In plain language the table sucked. It was the bounciest table I've ever played on. There were more dice bouncing off the table than any place I've ever seen. I was the only player who didn't make a throw that went off the table only because I was throwing Underhand. I knew I was screwed from my first throw which was underhand, 5 inches off the table landing about 24 inches from the wall. This throw bounced up into the top pyramids and came back almost to the stickman. I managed 3 really good hands with 29, 26 and 26 throws. I also had more Point 7 outs than I've ever had at any other table I've ever played. Despite all of this I managed to win $320 at the craps table for the 7 nights with a $100 buy in each night. These table conditions really inhibited my betting. A positive note is that they seemed to be fairly tolerant of short throws probably because they know that their table is unbeatable.

 

I would be very hesitant to book another cruise on Celebrity because of this. Other than the craps table Celebrity was a superb cruise line. The food and the level of service was exceptional. Now I am looking forward to a cruise the end of June of the Norwegian Jewel and I'm hoping for a normal bounce table where I'll have more of a chance to win.

 

Dicenator

[Yo Eleven]

Fishon Ed,

 

I put a 4 page word document together as a trip report but I don't know how to put it in this message board so I'll give you the highlights.

 

The craps table was 12 feet long with a micro fiber layout. Min. bets were $5 and the max was $300. The table opened at 7 in the evening but did not open during the day on the at sea day. The odds were 3X/4X/5X. They also had all the proposition bets on the layout. 90% of the time they operated the table without a boxman. In plain language the table sucked. It was the bounciest table I've ever played on. There were more dice bouncing off the table than any place I've ever seen. I was the only player who didn't make a throw that went off the table only because I was throwing Underhand. I knew I was screwed from my first throw which was underhand, 5 inches off the table landing about 24 inches from the wall. This throw bounced up into the top pyramids and came back almost to the stickman. I managed 3 really good hands with 29, 26 and 26 throws. I also had more Point 7 outs than I've ever had at any other table I've ever played. Despite all of this I managed to win $320 at the craps table for the 7 nights with a $100 buy in each night. These table conditions really inhibited my betting. A positive note is that they seemed to be fairly tolerant of short throws probably because they know that their table is unbeatable.

 

I would be very hesitant to book another cruise on Celebrity because of this. Other than the craps table Celebrity was a superb cruise line. The food and the level of service was exceptional. Now I am looking forward to a cruise the end of June of the Norwegian Jewel and I'm hoping for a normal bounce table where I'll have more of a chance to win.

 

Dicenator

Wonder if they made you use any of these dice? :rolleyes:

 

Shaved Dice - These dice have been shaved slightly on one particular side so that they are more rectangle than square. This has the effect of cheating a die with four sides that are shorter and thus have less surface area than the shaved side and it's opposite face. The shaved side and it's opposite face are more likely to show than the four shorter sides. These dice are also known as 'Bricks' or 'Barred' dice however there are specific names for the dice depending on what side has been shaved.

If the 1 or 6 side has been shaved the die is referred to as a 'Six-Ace Flat'. These dice will work against the shooter.

When a pair of dice have had either the 3 or 4 side shaved and the 6 or 1 side shaved this pair is called a 'Flat Passer'

If the 3 or 4 side has been shaved the die is referred to as a 'Flat Passer'. With these sides shaved dice totals of 4, 5, 9 and 10 will happen more often.

 

Sometimes by altering the edge of a die you can affect the outcome of the roll. Edge modifications can be difficult to spot and it is easy enough to assume that a die with rounded edges must be loaded. This is not the case, if all the sides are the same then the die is fair, if one edge of the die is different then the die is considered loaded. These dice are known as Trip dice. Trip dice will wear with use and will need to be replaced by the cheat.

 

Cut-Edge - A cut-edge die has one edge that has been shaved at 45 degrees while the other edges have a 60 degree edge. This will affect the roll of the die.

 

Raised Edge - This die has a lip on one or more sides. These lips increase the surface area of the particular side and also grip the table cloth when rolled.

 

Razor-Edge - These dice will have different edges making them more effective. One or more edges will be cut with a razor and the other edges will be rounded or turned. This will cause the die to roll on a rounded edge and grab on a razored edge.

 

Saw-tooth - These dice have had an edge scored with tiny cuts with the goal of having these cuts grab the table and come to rest on a certain number. Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to determine where the bias of these dice is located thus making them worthless to someone trying to cheat.

 

As with anything there are some less effective methods of cheating. The following examples are those which are fairly ineffective methods of cheating.

 

Raised Spots - The idea behind this idea is that the pip (or spot) on the dice are actually raised off the surface of the die instead of being level with the surface. When the die is rolled the Raised pip is supposed to encourage the die to roll off that side. This type of loaded dice is strictly used by amateurs as it is less effective than other types of load dice and is easily noticed by anyone that touches the dice.

 

Capped Dice - A Capped die is one that has been shaved down on one side and then had the shaved off area replaced with a similar looking material but that has a different elastic properties. The goal is to have the dice bounce off the capped side and settle on an uncapped side. The cap when done properly is initially invisible but with use it quickly becomes evident that the die has been doctored. A capped die can be spotted by pressing a fingernail into all sides of a die, the capped side will have some give to it.

 

Painted Dice - Perhaps painted is not the right term. These dice have had one or more side painted with a clear sticky substance that is activated by moisture. The cheat would activate the sticky substance by blowing on the dice immediately before throwing them. The sticky face will then hopefully stick to the table surface as they roll down the table. While the sticky sides might stick to the table, other things might stick to the face of the dice giving them away.

 

Slick Dice - These are dice that have been polished on one or more side and roughed up on others. The idea behind this is that the roughed up sides will grip the table and the polished sides will roll more easily. Any advantage gained here is hard to determine because even fair dice will become rough with regular use.

 

Bristles - These dice have been doctored with a pin that in inserted into the center pip on the five side of a die. The pin protrudes from the die only very slightly and will catch on the table cloth. These dice are easy to spot, are a very old method of cheating at craps and no longer used by cheats today. The term bristles comes from when a single pig or horse hair was used before pins.

 

Mis-spotted Dice - Normal dice have opposing sides that add up to 7, Mis-spotted dice are dice that have opposing faces that are identical when used as a pair it can be almost impossible not to role a 7 but these are very easy to spot and have become relegated to the realm of jokes and magic tricks. Other names for these dice are tops and bottoms, tops, mis-spots, horses and tees (T's).

[FishonEd]

Fishon Ed,

 

I put a 4 page word document together as a trip report but I don't know how to put it in this message board so I'll give you the highlights.

 

The craps table was 12 feet long with a micro fiber layout. Min. bets were $5 and the max was $300. The table opened at 7 in the evening but did not open during the day on the at sea day. The odds were 3X/4X/5X. They also had all the proposition bets on the layout. 90% of the time they operated the table without a boxman. In plain language the table sucked. It was the bounciest table I've ever played on. There were more dice bouncing off the table than any place I've ever seen. I was the only player who didn't make a throw that went off the table only because I was throwing Underhand. I knew I was screwed from my first throw which was underhand, 5 inches off the table landing about 24 inches from the wall. This throw bounced up into the top pyramids and came back almost to the stickman. I managed 3 really good hands with 29, 26 and 26 throws. I also had more Point 7 outs than I've ever had at any other table I've ever played. Despite all of this I managed to win $320 at the craps table for the 7 nights with a $100 buy in each night. These table conditions really inhibited my betting. A positive note is that they seemed to be fairly tolerant of short throws probably because they know that their table is unbeatable.

 

I would be very hesitant to book another cruise on Celebrity because of this. Other than the craps table Celebrity was a superb cruise line. The food and the level of service was exceptional. Now I am looking forward to a cruise the end of June of the Norwegian Jewel and I'm hoping for a normal bounce table where I'll have more of a chance to win.

 

Dicenator

 

Dicenator,

Thanks for the report.

 

I am not keen on the table not having a boxman but will hav eto deal with it.... or play cards.

At least you managed to get some good runs in and win some money.

Thanks again.

ed :D