Non-Smoker Living in a Smoking World

[L2J]

But really folks to say something to a smoker as far as "it's bad for your health".. that's plain rude.

 

 

I always try to be polite when it comes to smoking and would never think of lighting up in a non-smoking area and if I did it would be nice to hear "excuse me...where you aware that this is a non-smoking area" instead of all the snotty remarks.

 

But the thing that really gets me is when someone comes into the casino, sits down at the same table as me and then tells me to put my smoke out or most recently grabbed a lounge next to mine by the aft pool and complained about the smoke.

[yogimax]

I agree with the above post. Comparing smoking to murder or rape is ludicrous.

If anyone lives in someone else's world it's the smoker.

You can't smoke anywhere anymore. Not planes, taxis, trains, public buildings, restaurants, work, schools etc.

I respect that it is harmful for someone who doesn't smoke to have breathe second hand smoke and I agree wholeheartedly that the non smoker shouldn't have to put up with that. But the majority of the smoking areas on the ship are outside.

I don't allow smoking in my own house and I smoke!

But really folks to say something to a smoker as far as "it's bad for your health".. that's plain rude. I don't say things to people who are drinking or gambling their houses away or are grotesquely overweight!!!

 

Donna

 

Donna,

I think you have come up with a good compromise for cruise ships - smoking only in designated outdoor areas. A similar issue is non-smoking cabins. My wife is highly allergic to cigarette smoke and if we are unfortunate to follow a chain-smoker, you can imagine the discomfort. I can't imagine why cruise ships can't designate a small portion of cabins to be non-smoking, issued on a first-come, first-served basis

[ColoradoJuli]

On the Conquest class of ships, is there a lounge that is non-smoking? I would love to be able to enjoy the piano bar without any smoke.

 

Also, someone mentioned one side of the ship being smoking. Is this true on the Carnival ships? I was recently on NCL and they did not have one area or the other designate for smokers. They allowed smoking everywhere outside.

[glrounds]

In regard to casinos, it may not be that non-smokers gamble less, but rather gamble less when surrounded by obnoxious smoke!

 

As proven in the gambling revenues of the PARADISE when it was a non-smoking ship, NON-SMOKERS gambled LESS even when NOT SURROUNDED by "obnoxious" smoke. :cool:

 

Let's face it. Cruise ships are not for the health fanatics: Cigarette smoke, Diesel smoke, BOOZE, Dirty Casino chips, Noro Virus, Food served around the clock, long periods with no sleep, and those pesky pigeons trying to crap on us all the time. :D

[Greengirl]

"Let's face it. Cruise ships are not for the health fanatics: Cigarette smoke, Diesel smoke, BOOZE, Dirty Casino chips, Noro Virus, Food served around the clock, long periods with no sleep, and those pesky pigeons trying to crap on us all the time."

 

Yet...we still cruise - repeatedly!! :)

[F5Loar]

Non-smokers gamble less because they are not gamblers by nature.

It takes a drinking smoker to do some heavy gambling. What I am saying is by nature a non-smoker is also a non-gambler so they are not going to book a non-smoking ship and hang out at the casino. It's not in their blood to do so. Now put out some heavy horesdorves and free liquor drinks by the slots and those same non-smokers will gladly sit and pull the levers.

[Greengirl]

So you're saying there's a correlation between smoking/drinking/gambling By "nature"? "Nature" dictates my personal choices?

 

Just curious where you get your information.

[derf5585]

So you're saying there's a correlation between smoking/drinking/gambling By "nature"? "Nature" dictates my personal choices?

 

Just curious where you get your information.

 

You forgot "horesdorves"

 

Generalized Correlation Formula

from

http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/Stats/multicorr.htm

 

Computing Pearson's correlation coefficient

from

http://davidmlane.com/hyperstat/A51911.html

[Greengirl]

derf - LOL

 

I didn't forget it, just chose to ignore it - both the comment and the spelling!! ;)

[Valentinecruiser]

Non-smokers gamble less because they are not gamblers by nature.

It takes a drinking smoker to do some heavy gambling. What I am saying is by nature a non-smoker is also a non-gambler so they are not going to book a non-smoking ship and hang out at the casino. It's not in their blood to do so. Now put out some heavy horesdorves and free liquor drinks by the slots and those same non-smokers will gladly sit and pull the levers.

 

I AGREE with you! Whatever it is that is in a smoker's personality or gene pool also causes them to be gamblers and drinkers. Come on, Look at VEGAS!

 

I think it's because they are bold enough to gamble with their life, so gambling with their money is nothing in comparison.

 

I *JUST* returned from Las Vegas & was shocked that they still allow smoking in the airport (designated smoking rooms.....open on top, so the smoke just drifts throughout the airport.....pretty much useless to non-smokers).

That was the first time I had been to LV in ten years....I avoid it as much as possible due to the smoke.

There, the smoke is horrible. I have no intentions of

returning, EVER!

 

Personally, I have a *SEVERE* diagnosed, medically tested allergy to cigarette smoke. I have been unable to gamble in the Elation casino, or even walk by it because the smoke is so horrible. But most of the rest of the ship wasn't too bad. On my most recent cruise, I actually went up to a smoker who was smoking in the non-smoking section and tried to tell her about the situation.....she didn't speak English, so I don't think I ever got through to her though.

 

NOTE: My husband and I have also noticed another personality trait in the smokers we know personally.......all are divorced or have been.

 

Personally, I would LOVE to travel on a non-smoking ship!

[derf5585]

Personally, I have a *SEVERE* diagnosed, medically tested allergy to cigarette smoke.

 

Smoking does not just harm smokers but also those around them

from

http://adam.about.com/care/allergy/allergy_smoke.html

 

Tobacco allergy claims are classic junk science

from

http://www.forces.org/evidence/carol/carol2.htm

 

Many people enjoy perfume but have no idea what they are exposing

the adults and children around them

from

http://www.ameliaww.com/fpin/let_cynthia_norman.htm

[Valentinecruiser]

***QUOTE:Tobacco allergy claims are classic junk science

from <A href="http://www.forces.org/evidence/carol/carol2.htm"" target=_blank>http://www.forces.org/evidence/carol/carol2.htm"

END QUOTE>>>>

 

 

For the record: I did read some of the information located on the above link. I beg to differ with her opinion.

Her opinions are just that. Opinions.

 

I notice that the person writing the information is a smoker.

Surely, her personal bias did not come into play when she

wrote her so called, FACTS. ???

 

These are facts, NOT opinions: I always knew cigarette smoke bothered me as I am extremely sensitive to it. I can smell it if it's anywhere close to me.

 

Unfortunately, I wasn't tested for allergies until

I was 37 years old. It wasn't until then that I KNEW,

for a fact that I actually had a medical allergy to it.

For me, it didn't change a thing......it had always,

does always, and apparently, WILL always bother me.

 

I wish it didn't. I can't help it.

 

The above link just goes to show that smokers will do

or say anything to justify their addiction.

[GoinCruisin]

Um, what does smoking and being divorced have to do with "personality traits"??? Doesn't make sense... but going with it, are the only divorced people you know smokers? Didn't think so... Being a smoker or non-smoker has no bearing on whether or not you will be divorced. Insane!!!!!!!!!!

[Valentinecruiser]

Um, what does smoking and being divorced have to do with "personality traits"??? Doesn't make sense... but going with it, are the only divorced people you know smokers? Didn't think so... Being a smoker or non-smoker has no bearing on whether or not you will be divorced. Insane!!!!!!!!!!

 

MY ORIGINAL QUOTE:"NOTE: My husband and I have also noticed another personality trait in the smokers we know personally.......all are divorced or have been."

 

Question: Are you saying I am insane?

 

If you will take the time to actually read my post, you will notice that I said my husband and I have noticed....in the smokers we know personally.....

 

I never said ALL smokers.....I never said EVERY smoker on earth.....I simply said the smokers we know personally.

That is, within our circle of acquaintances, neighbors, relatives, etc.....OK?

 

Actually, going with it, the only smokers we know ARE DIVORCED! So, THERE!

 

Furthermore, it is my husband's opinion that there is some connection to a personality trait of smokers being divorced and vice versa. I happen to see the connection, also.

 

OK? It's just our opinion.......just as you have your opinion. Yet, I would NEVER dream of accusing YOU of

being INSANE just because you happen to disagree with me!

[GoinCruisin]

MY ORIGINAL QUOTE:"NOTE: My husband and I have also noticed another personality trait in the smokers we know personally.......all are divorced or have been."

 

Question: Are you saying I am insane?

 

If you will take the time to actually read my post, you will notice that I said my husband and I have noticed....in the smokers we know personally.....

 

I never said ALL smokers.....I never said EVERY smoker on earth.....I simply said the smokers we know personally.

That is, within our circle of acquaintances, neighbors, relatives, etc.....OK?

 

Actually, going with it, the only smokers we know ARE DIVORCED! So, THERE!

 

Furthermore, it is my husband's opinion that there is some connection to a personality trait of smokers being divorced and vice versa. I happen to see the connection, also.

 

OK? It's just our opinion.......just as you have your opinion. Yet, I would NEVER dream of accusing YOU of

being INSANE just because you happen to disagree with me!

 

No, you IMPLIED it in your post. And my question to you was, are all the DIVORCED people you know smokers? And I NEVER ONCE called YOU insane. Yes, what you implied in your post, in my opinion was insane. I don't see where "personality trait" comes into play at all. And trying to connect "smoking and divorce" in my opinion, IS insane. What connection? People that smoke get divorced, people that don't smoke get divorced. Trying to imply that smokers out there are more likely to get divorced than non smokers is in my opinion, ridiculous. Sorry, I just don't see it. I know plenty of each, and divorce affects all people... you are not apt to get divorced because you smoke, LOL.

[jckvpa0]

[quote name='F5Loar']I think you got it when saying smokers are also heavy drinkers and gamblers.

Oh & I bet all Irish people are drunks too!!! What a simple way of thinking :eek:

[GoinCruisin]

[quote name='jckvpa0'][quote name='F5Loar']I think you got it when saying smokers are also heavy drinkers and gamblers.

Oh & I bet all Irish people are drunks too!!! What a simple way of thinking :eek:[/QUOTE]

I SO agree!!! I know plenty of smokers that have never touched a drop of alcohol and don't gamble. I know plenty of non smokers that are stumbling drunks... I personally have been both!!!! LOL! And drink as much as a non smoker as I did as a smoker... and have never been a gambler, smoking or non. It's not always black and white.

[Valentinecruiser]

QUOTE" Sorry, I just don't see it. I know plenty of each, and divorce affects all people... you are not apt to get divorced because you smoke, LOL."[END/QUOTE]

Of course, just because YOU can't see it, it's not possible, right?

This is not an opinion. It is a fact: ***QUOTE" NOTE: My husband and I have also noticed another personality trait in the smokers we know personally.......all are divorced or have been."END QUOTE***

Are you this opinionated in your relationships too?
I can't help it if you are so narrow minded that you
can't respect another person's opinion.

[BrendaB1]

So glad to see I have been put into a CLASS! :rolleyes: Divorced, smoker, drinker, gambler & cruiser.Carnival loves me! Oh, did I mention that I am having the time of my life.

Just my opinion, but maybe judgements & opinions like those are sometimes better kept to ourselves.

[GoinCruisin]

[quote name='Valentinecruiser'] ***QUOTE" NOTE: My husband and I have also noticed another personality trait in the smokers we know personally.......all are divorced or have been."END QUOTE***

Are you this opinionated in your relationships too?
I can't help it if you are so narrow minded that you
can't respect another person's opinion.[/QUOTE]

My question remains... what is the personality trait? Maybe you are just using the wrong term perhaps? I am far from narrow minded... By making the statement you did, you inferred that smoking and divorce have some sort of connection... I am simply saying, that is not true. I am sure that smoking was not the root cause of your friends divorce. I respect your opinion... but trying to make this connection is just a reach, and I still don't see how being divorced and a smoker is a "personality trait"...

[BrendaB1]

For the most part.....most smokers are considerate of others around them or atleast try to be. Too bad we don't all live in a perfect world....but there will always be smokers, some who drink too much, some who are too boring, some who complain too much, etc. etc. And yes, even divorced people. Variety is the spice of life. It takes all kinds to make up this life as we know it. Otherwise, think about how boring it would be if every little thing was perfect and we all had nothing to disagree about. :D

[jckvpa0]

[quote name='Valentinecruiser']QUOTE" Sorry, I just don't see it. I know plenty of each, and divorce affects all people... you are not apt to get divorced because you smoke, LOL."[END/QUOTE]

Of course, just because YOU can't see it, it's not possible, right?

This is not an opinion. It is a fact: ***QUOTE" NOTE: My husband and I have also noticed another personality trait in the smokers we know personally.......all are divorced or have been."END QUOTE***

Are you this opinionated in your relationships too?
I can't help it if you are so narrow minded that you
can't respect another person's opinion.[/QUOTE]


[color=black]I really think we need to look at[/color] [color=red]who[/color][color=black] is being the narrow minded one here. I think anyone that labels people has a very small view of the world![/color]

[BrendaB1]

[quote name='jckvpa0'][color=black]I really think we need to look at[/color] [color=red]who[/color][color=black] is being the narrow minded one here. I think anyone that labels people has a very small view of the world![/color][/QUOTE]

[font=Arial Black][color=black]I agree. Lots of nice cruise people here with lots of different personalties & opinions. [/color][/font]

[BlueHerons]

As a former smoker (19 months!!), I am happily married and have been for quite a while, I don't gamble, and I drink like a fish.


The generalizations are silly. Maybe smokers sometimes exhibit addictive personality traits.

I know as a former smoker I felt like a social outcast.

It is an addiction, nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs known to man.

[F5Loar]

Well come to think of it I just returned from an Irish Pub in Atlantic City on last St.Pat's day and it was packed full of Irish smokers who were drunk.
Same goes for a crusie casino which is what we are speaking of here. If you go in there you will notice the majority of the people (not all) that are gambling will have a cig. in one hand, a drink in the other and if you asked them they are either currently divorced or have been in the past. Sorry odds are in our favor on this subject. What I hate is those slotters that have the cig. in one hand , the drink in the other and pull the lever with their foot as the swear cuss words about their ex's out loud when they loose!