DocF Posted June 5, 2012 #876 Share Posted June 5, 2012 A book which might be of interest to some who are following this sinking is Eastland, Legacy of the Titanic by George W. Hilton. Hilton is a retired Professor of Economics at UCLA and is a long time student and author of matters concerning railroads and Great Lakes Shipping. His scholarship is beyond question. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted June 5, 2012 #877 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I've got that in my favorites list. For a closer look, go to The Last Salute. have you the link for the *the last salute*??? Thanks for your help! AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocF Posted June 5, 2012 #878 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Google is our friend! http://thelastsalute.eu/ Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted June 5, 2012 #879 Share Posted June 5, 2012 have you the link for the *the last salute*??? Thanks for your help! AKK what comes up is http:thelastsalute.eu/ It shuts down after "their" dark Maybe try to google The Last Salute if you can't bring it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted June 5, 2012 #880 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Google is our friend! http://thelastsalute.eu/ Doc I should have checked answers first:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocF Posted June 8, 2012 #881 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hmmm, there is absolutely nothing showing around the hulk today. Perhaps they have finished driving the piling preparatory to putting down the mat. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted June 8, 2012 #882 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Doc ... The weather looked a bit iffy early this morning so they may have put off the work just incase the sea became rough, i guess that things will be slow to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocF Posted June 8, 2012 #883 Share Posted June 8, 2012 All the tugs and smaller work boats that have been around the hulk and around the harbor are gone. There are several 40 foot containers sitting on the quay, but they could be from anything. The work should be progressing to the phase where the mat will be placed upon which the hull will be rolled upright should be starting fairly soon. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted June 9, 2012 #884 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Here's a bit more info on The Last Salute. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted June 9, 2012 #885 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Here's a bit more info on The Last Salute. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326231 Hi Micky Good Post. I don't completely share the film producer's opinion about connections between the Titantic and Concordia disasters. But, do agree with him that both incidents share similar underlying causes based in human arrogance. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tess of the Sea Posted June 9, 2012 #886 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I believe Carnival received 515 million dollars in insurance payment for this disaster. Have there been any instances of insurance fraud in the maritime word do you know? That is, deliberately destroying a ship that was not profitable to obtain the insurance money? In this day and age you never know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted June 9, 2012 #887 Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) I believe Carnival received 515 million dollars in insurance payment for this disaster. Have there been any instances of insurance fraud in the maritime word do you know? That is, deliberately destroying a ship that was not profitable to obtain the insurance money? In this day and age you never know... Over the centuries there have been many cases of vessels being sunk, put a aground, a fire for the insurance money.....the word(especailly when a Captian or crew does it) is called *barrintry*. Carnival's insurance/ P and I will be paying alot more for liability to passingers and crew, and the $278 mil to raise the wreck. There will also be 3 rd party claims like losses to the island in toursim, etc, clean up costs, etc,etc. AKK! Edited June 9, 2012 by Tonka's Skipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocF Posted June 9, 2012 #888 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Yes, the small, old tramp steamer Franciso Marazon was run aground on South Manitou island in Lake Michigan in 1966. John Roen was given a contract to salvage it and the cargo. He told me that the owners (Honduran, ship registered in Liberia) delayed and stalled salvage until the ship started to break up and was beyond salvage. The insurers then hired Glenn Hardwoods, which sub-contracted with George Grosvenor to salvage as much of the cargo as possible. They managed to salvage about 5 tons of canned chicken, which was unusable. The vessel was insured to the hilt when it ran aground. It was about 20 miles from its presumed position. The claim was the radar was not working, but I knew George and he actually used the radar when he bought a larger boat for his mail run. Interesting is it not? On the primary subject, there are a lot of boats working around the hulk today. The drill boat/barge is out there again too. Perhaps the threat of bad seas kept them away yesterday. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted June 9, 2012 #889 Share Posted June 9, 2012 There is a really good movie in the 50's called the *The Wreck of the Mary Deare*, with Gray Cooper. The storyline is the owners and some of the crew running a old freigther on the rocks for the insurance money on a shipment of aircraft engines. I was told its based on the true story, but I am not sure on that. AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Di Princess Posted June 9, 2012 #890 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Have there been any instances of insurance fraud in the maritime world, do you know? That is, deliberately destroying a ship that was not profitable to obtain the insurance money? In this day and age you never know. Over the centuries there have been many cases of vessels being sunk, put a aground, a fire for the insurance money, the word (especially when a Captain or crew does it) is called *barrintry*. When it is a building, it is called "A Jewish Fire Sale." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted June 9, 2012 #891 Share Posted June 9, 2012 There are others of course including Titanic which it is claimed was under Insured, there is a book called "The riddle of the Titanic" by Robin Gardiner and Dan Van Der Vat. The book claims that there was a possible Insurance scam by the White Star Line after the Olympic was hit and holed by HMS Hawke while returning to Southampton, Olympic was returned to Belfast for repairs and the book claims that there was the possibility that the ships were swapped in order to claim the Insurance on the Olympic. This claim is backed up because no ship names were on any White Star line crockery nor on the lifeboats (the ship names were merely hung on each lifeboat) and apart from the Bow and stern they would have been easy enough to alter in the days that Olympic was in Belfast plus Titanic sank with an Olympic propelar attched to it. No one will ever know for sure but the book is an interesting read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Di Princess Posted June 9, 2012 #892 Share Posted June 9, 2012 There is a really good movie in the 50's called the *The Wreck of the Mary Deare*' date=' with Gray Cooper. The storyline is the owners and some of the crew running an old freigther on the rocks for the insurance money on a shipment of aircraft engines. I was told its based on the true story, but I am not sure on that.AKK[/quote'] I love those old World War II movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted June 9, 2012 #893 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I love those old World War II movies. I enjoy those old wwII movies as well, but in this case is was not about a war. AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aplmac Posted June 10, 2012 #894 Share Posted June 10, 2012 .....the word(especailly when a Captian or crew does it) is called *barrintry*. Spelling correction.... Barratry Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barratry_%28admiralty_law%29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted June 10, 2012 #895 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Spelling correction.... Barratry Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barratry_%28admiralty_law%29 My pardon for the mispelling. PS..Never use Wikipedia as a referance, much to much opinion and few facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted June 10, 2012 #896 Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) There are others of course including Titanic which it is claimed was under Insured, there is a book called "The riddle of the Titanic" by Robin Gardiner and Dan Van Der Vat. The book claims that there was a possible Insurance scam by the White Star Line after the Olympic was hit and holed by HMS Hawke while returning to Southampton, Olympic was returned to Belfast for repairs and the book claims that there was the possibility that the ships were swapped in order to claim the Insurance on the Olympic. This claim is backed up because no ship names were on any White Star line crockery nor on the lifeboats (the ship names were merely hung on each lifeboat) and apart from the Bow and stern they would have been easy enough to alter in the days that Olympic was in Belfast plus Titanic sank with an Olympic propelar attched to it. No one will ever know for sure but the book is an interesting read. Now that is a wild tale! But not possible. The interiors of both vessels were very different, not to mention the exteriors also had different deck enclosures. All of this was in pictures and in advertizments and newspapers. Add to the above.......all the 1 class and many 2nd class passingers had sailed the Olymipic before and would have noted in a secound that the vessles were switched! The Titanic lifeboats names were painted on and after the sinking were carried by ship back to England and used on other White Star vessels. Teh names were also on the bow and stern in weled on double plates and not just painted. this is seen in the many underwter pictures of the wreck. Sorry Sidari........I love a good sea mystery/story.....but this way doesn't make sense! But I will try and find the book! AKK Edited June 10, 2012 by Tonka's Skipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted June 11, 2012 #897 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Tonka ... I agree that the story seems a bit far fetched but not impossible, in one of the many books i have on Titanic there is a photo of Olympic having more lifeboats installed on her upper deck, of those already existing it seems that apart from the White Star name and logo there appears to be no ships name on them. There is also in one of the books a photo claiming to be Titanic in the dock in Belfast and only on closer inspection can you make out the name Olympic, a bad miss by the publishers. The main one as you point out is the framing in of the Promenade deck windows. Did you know that there were over 90 unidentified people found from Titanic? who were buried at sea or in cemetaries. Edited June 11, 2012 by sidari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocF Posted June 12, 2012 #898 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Hmmm, I just noted that, well after dark, there is still a very bright light near the stern of the hulk. It appears that whatever is being done is now a 24 hour a day proposition. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted June 12, 2012 #899 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Tonka ... I agree that the story seems a bit far fetched but not impossible, in one of the many books i have on Titanic there is a photo of Olympic having more lifeboats installed on her upper deck, of those already existing it seems that apart from the White Star name and logo there appears to be no ships name on them. There is also in one of the books a photo claiming to be Titanic in the dock in Belfast and only on closer inspection can you make out the name Olympic, a bad miss by the publishers. The main one as you point out is the framing in of the Promenade deck windows. Did you know that there were over 90 unidentified people found from Titanic? who were buried at sea or in cemetaries. see sideri........a great Maritime ghost.mystery story! With anything Maritime, I never say never! I can note that after the Titanic(for discussion sake.the Titanic.*G*) sinking her boats were put onto the Olyimpic and additional lifeboats put on both the Olyimpic and Britanic to bring the capacity up to carry all persons onboard. I am sure you have seen that movie clip of the *Titanic* sailing on her voyage.....it played in alot of movie houses......but the fact is, it was old footage of the Olyimpic! AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted June 12, 2012 #900 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Hmmm, I just noted that, well after dark, there is still a very bright light near the stern of the hulk. It appears that whatever is being done is now a 24 hour a day proposition. Doc Seems qiute this morning.....Doc, I would expect at this point most of the work and activity is happening on the mainland where all the eqiupment is being staged and set up. I wonder if there a cam there. I can't seem to find one. AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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