Another Passenger Overboard and Missing

[Kancruze]

A 47 yr. old Canadian woman is missing off a ship out in the Caribbean. I wonder how can someone go missing on a cruise ship? Apparently she was last seen by her boyfriend at 1AM. He noted she was missing when he went to bed but didn't report it until 7AM as he fell asleep.

 

If something ontoward happened to her aren't there security cameras which record it all over the ship? There seems to be way too many people who go missing out there. It's kind of scary.

 

Is it that easy to fall off a ship or what??

[Karen@Steve]

This was off a Celebration Cruise Line ship. I'm not sure who owns them but I seem to think it is Carnival. Anyone know?

[Gypsywych]

Celebration Cruise Line is a company that operates 2 day cruises to the Bahamas from Miami. They also own Imperial Majesty Cruise Line which does the same itinerary. They are not owned by Carnival.

There used to be a Carnival ship named the Celebration, but it was sold to Ibero in Europe, has been completely refitted and now runs 5-7 day Med cruises.

 

The first report I read this morning was on ABC and reported it was a Celebrity ship. It was corrected shortly after(within 20 minutes).

[C 2 C]

This was off a Celebration Cruise Line ship. I'm not sure who owns them but I seem to think it is Carnival. Anyone know?

 

It is not a Carnival ship but an independent line.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/03/01/cruise-ship-canadian-woman-missing.html

 

Why do I always suspect the boyfriend?

 

There seems to be way too many people who go missing out there. It's kind of scary.

 

Is it that easy to fall off a ship or what??

 

Of the 100,000's who sail every week, I don't think that the number is large. It is not easy to fall off unless one sits on a railing. Pushing or jumping is the normal way to go overboard.

Crew members seem to be involved more than passengers when the overboard topic arises.

 

The rate of suicides is about 12 per 100,000 people per year in Canada and the USA.

A ship such as Millennium with a capacity of 2,000+ would have a 100,000 passengers per year...

Using that yardstick would imply over a dozen passengers per year would jump to reach that same level.. ( unless my projections are way off)

[AlanAllyn]

Celebration Cruise Line is a company that operates 2 day cruises to the Bahamas from Miami.

Actually, Celebration operates out of West Palm Beach (to Nassau). It is an old ferry converted to a "cruise ship."

[gottacruisemore]

I am not familiar with how those ships are structured, but on the ships I have been on you have to put effort into going overboard.

 

And after these incidents you get a lot of people, most of whom have never set foot on a ship, talking about how cruise lines should do something to make it safer. You can't trip and fall overboard. IMO you have to jump, get thrown or pushed, or do something you have no business doing, like sitting on the railing. I don't want to end up with a giant plexiglass wall between me and the fresh open air.

[Orator]

I am not familiar with how those ships are structured, but on the ships I have been on you have to put effort into going overboard.

 

And after these incidents you get a lot of people, most of whom have never set foot on a ship, talking about how cruise lines should do something to make it safer. You can't trip and fall overboard. IMO you have to jump, get thrown or pushed, or do something you have no business doing, like sitting on the railing. I don't want to end up with a giant plexiglass wall between me and the fresh open air.

 

Didn't the Master of Costa Concordia fall into a lifeboat? At least that's his line. Think I'll just take my time and wait for more information and an investigation before I attempt to draw any conclusions.

[Sloop-JohnB]

It is not a Carnival ship but an independent line.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/03/01/cruise-ship-canadian-woman-missing.html

 

Why do I always suspect the boyfriend?

 

Of the 100,000's who sail every week, I don't think that the number is large. It is not easy to fall off unless one sits on a railing. Pushing or jumping is the normal way to go overboard.

 

Crew members seem to be involved more than passengers when the overboard topic arises.

 

The rate of suicides is about 12 per 100,000 people per year in Canada and the USA.

 

A ship such as Millennium with a capacity of 2,000+ would have a 100,000 passengers per year...

 

Using that yardstick would imply over a dozen passengers per year would jump to reach that same level.. ( unless my projections are way off)

 

TO XELLENT,

 

Your calculations (math) is correct !!

 

And by extraction, then it would 12+ passengers, per ship on average per year (or aprox 1 per month)

 

In reality, the numbers are much less (thank goodness !! With 10 Ships, Celebrity alone would carry over 100,000 Passengers per month... not counting Crew "passages" every month... so if 1200 crew then 1200 x 4 = 4800 count per month or over 62,000 per year)

 

And YES most of the time they are crew members (depression issues)

 

It is just that these "sad" affairs get a lot of press (far more than ones where others ashore commit suicide)

 

Part of the "fascination" with this by the Press though is

 

(a) When it is a Passenger... the way that one chooses to do it... jump at sea, thereby pretty much guaranteeing that they'll never be found / recovered, and the whole contrast to the "wonderful" vacation at sea (to think that there are folks who actually "plan"... in some cases, really "pre-plan" to off-themselves during such a frolic is a bit crazy to say the least)

 

(b) And in all cases... (Passenger or Crew) there is always the "unknown"... was it murder or suicide... or an accidental fall? The Press loving to stir up a bit of mystery. In the end, chances of knowing the truth are always slim (and contrary to popular belief, the ship's cameras don't cover ever inch of the ship's sides / rails)

 

And YES, like you, I often wonder if the Boyfriend, Husband, Wife, Significant Other, Family Member, Fellow Crew Members etc are guilty or not when someone goes "missing" at sea.

 

Cheers!

[Kevnzworld]

How do you " fall " overboard? You would have to climb overboard.

These things always happen after midnight.

[Karen@Steve]

How do you " fall " overboard? You would have to climb overboard.

These things always happen after midnight.

 

I think the over intoxication issue is always a possibility...you know, the I'm invincible, let me stand on/hang over the rail syndrome. Or let me stand on this chair up against the rail to get a better view...etc. In many of the cases you hear about, alcohol or something else is mentioned. Not on this one yet but we'll see.

 

Someone on the Celebration board reported that this person was found on the ship later but I'm not sure how true that report is (friend who is on the ship report to them, yada yada yada).

[Freecall]

 

 

 

The rate of suicides is about 12 per 100,000 people per year in Canada and the USA.

A ship such as Millennium with a capacity of 2,000+ would have a 100,000 passengers per year...

Using that yardstick would imply over a dozen passengers per year would jump to reach that same level.. ( unless my projections are way off)

 

I agree with your overall sentiment although to be pedantic your math is not correct. To get the figures you use you have taken a typical cruise of 1 week, you would therefore have to consider an exposure of each passenger to suicide risk for one week of the year only (they may commit suicide on one of the other 51 weeks when they were not on a cruise).

 

Think about it like this, if you halved the length of cruises then you would have twice as many passenger in the same period. Twice as many people = twice as many suicides but the effective suicide capacity of the ship would stay the same therefore a greater proportion would have to be not on a ship.

 

Now that's off my chest, as I said above I pretty much agree with your conclusion.

 

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[JTSpitfire]

Perhaps before all the second guessing occurs about how or what did or didn't happen, some thought should be given to expressing some concern for the missing woman and her family......this is a very sad circumstance.

[NewSalt]

If it were not such a rare occurrence, the press would not be focusing on it. They don't report the ordinary.

[dmwnc1959]

The total number of cruise passengers carried worldwide in 2011 is estimated at 19.2 million. The five boroughs of New York City have a 2010 United States Census population of 8,175,133. This is less than half (by 3 million people) of the number of cruise passengers carried in 2011.

 

We don't hear about every single traffic accident death, jay walking death, fall down a flight of stairs death, fell out of a window death, murder, suicide, rape or aggrivated assault from the five boroughs of NYC. But let it happen on a cruise ship and it's front page on Fox News and every other ambulance chasing news outlet in the country.

 

Seems like you're more likely to be involved in a life threatening accident in your own home town than on a cruise ship.

[CMHCruiseCouple]

How do you " fall " overboard? You would have to climb overboard.

These things always happen after midnight.

 

Two thoughts:

 

1) Nothing good ever happens after midnight.

 

2) A fella named Al K. Hall is almost always around somewhere.

[A Sixth?]

Actually, Celebration operates out of West Palm Beach (to Nassau). It is an old ferry converted to a "cruise ship."

 

 

As is the Costa Allegra, and the Louis Cruises "Sea Diamond"

 

[tunaman2011]

Actually, Celebration operates out of West Palm Beach (to Nassau). It is an old ferry converted to a "cruise ship."

 

Greetings

Celebration goes from West Palm to Port Lucaya which is on Grand Bahama Island.

 

Good Sailing

Tom

[jackdiamond]

I was not aware that Fox News is an ambulance chasing outlet.

[Sloop-JohnB]

As is the Costa Allegra, and the Louis Cruises "Sea Diamond"

 

 

TO A SIXTH?

 

Remember from the news articles reading that the Costa Allegra was actually a former Container Ship, the MS Annie Johnson (and not a ferry)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Allegra

 

Lol, doesn't sound to luxurious, then or now :rolleyes:

 

Cheers!

[A Sixth?]

TO A SIXTH?

 

Remember from the news articles reading that the Costa Allegra was actually a former Container Ship, the MS Annie Johnson (and not a ferry)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Allegra

 

Lol, doesn't sound to luxurious, then or now :rolleyes:

 

Cheers!

 

My bad...

 

A container ship is away nicer than a car ferry :p Believe me, I was on the Sea Diamond

[rlsii488]

Two thoughts:

 

1) Nothing good ever happens after midnight.

 

2) A fella named Al K. Hall is almost always around somewhere.

 

 

The first of your thoughts we continually tell our daughters; your second thought........I find him with my Husband all the time!!!!

 

Isn't there a saying somewhere that says......if you're going to play, you're going to pay!!!!

[softail]

A 47 yr. old Canadian woman is missing off a ship out in the Caribbean. I wonder how can someone go missing on a cruise ship? Apparently she was last seen by her boyfriend at 1AM. He noted she was missing when he went to bed but didn't report it until 7AM as he fell asleep.

 

If something ontoward happened to her aren't there security cameras which record it all over the ship? There seems to be way too many people who go missing out there. It's kind of scary.

 

Is it that easy to fall off a ship or what??

 

Is it that easy to fall off a ship or what? No its not. They all jump or are pushed and usually it involves alcohol or domestic abuse or suicide.

[bananavan]

I read on another website that the boyfriend last saw his girlfriend when he went to the casino and she was in one of the onboard shops at around 1:15am. REALLY? REALLY? Perhaps these ferry/passenger ships have shops open that late but I have never seen the same on a real cruiseline. Do not let the boyfriend leave the country.

[boogs]

TO A SIXTH?

 

Remember from the news articles reading that the Costa Allegra was actually a former Container Ship, the MS Annie Johnson (and not a ferry)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Allegra

 

Lol, doesn't sound to luxurious, then or now :rolleyes:

 

Cheers!

 

Here is what the Costa Concordia looked like as a container ship:

 

 

And how she looks today:

 

[Freecall]

Here is what the Costa Concordia looked like as a container ship:

 

 

And how she looks today:

 

 

Nice piece of research on the photographs but at the end of the day what is really left from the original ship except the hull? Even that has had to have a couple of holes cut in it to get passengers on and off.

 

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