Big Formal Decision in Our House.......

[sail7seas]

[quote name='COLLEYBERRY']Enjoy your cruise :):) Alaska is the perfect choice to experience cruising for the first time..you are in for such a treat.

For what my humble opinion is worth...a military dress uniform trumps a tux every time ;)

A grey suit will be absolutely perfect for your cruise ,a crisp shirt and his tan...I am sure he will look very sharp.:)

H:)ppy sailings to you both.[/quote]


[B] I agree and DH looked amazing in his dress blues. :) He was not career officer so that was lots of years ago but I treasure the photos and memories of our formal events with all those handsome uniformed men and women.

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[hammybee]

There is only one restaurant in Chicago that enforces a jacket/tie thing. That restaurant is closing, later this year.

It is common in upscale restautants to find men in bowling league type shirts while the women continue to dress up.

Private country clubs tend to continue to police attire because the majority of their equity members demand they do so and they are not open to the general public.

As it relates to cruising, most men do not dress as well on a formal night as they did for boarding during the hey day of transatlantic voyages, based on pictures and film clips.

Can't expect restautrants/cruise lines to enforce policies the majority of their paying customers have no interest in following.

[serendipity1499]

[quote name='Seago2']Am I the only one to see post #19?[/quote]

[quote name='RevNeal']I got to it. Eventually.



I took that as an example of hyperbole, not as a slam against Sail.

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3]I also took it as hyperbole & tend to ignore those posts lately..[/SIZE][/FONT]

[quote name='Sea42'][quote name='serendipity1499']

No pictures but it seems to be a general term referring to suits that are not "Formal"
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suit_%28clothing%29[/URL][/quote]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3]Thanks...I've haven't heard that expression in years..Years ago in the early 70's some men wore "Leisure suits"..If I recall some were somewhat of a mandarin style jacket, but they had lots of buttons..Several men in our office wore them when they went out to a casual type dinner...I even bought DH one, but it did not suit him..:eek:LOL We always laughed about it:D:D[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3]Cheers...:)Betty

P.S. Found them, forgot they had buttoned cuffs..LOL

[url]http://www.rustyzipper.com/mens/suits/leisure[/url][/SIZE][/FONT]

[stsomewhere]

Sail.....
We are on the same cruise. It does not bother me what other people wear. Tux to polo/jeans. I am not cruising to judge others. That being said, it matters to me what my family wears. I will be enforcing my own dress code until my kids (13 and 11) pay for their own cruise. They started cruising when they were one year old and cruise 1-2 times a year, so they know what I expect.

But, they both love to dress up. ( They have to wear school uniforms.)

[babyher]

[quote name='hammybee']There is only one restaurant in Chicago that enforces a jacket/tie thing. That restaurant is closing, later this year.

It is common in upscale restautants to find men in bowling league type shirts while the women continue to dress up.

Private country clubs tend to continue to police attire because the majority of their equity members demand they do so and they are not open to the general public.

As it relates to cruising, most men do not dress as well on a formal night as they did for boarding during the hey day of transatlantic voyages, based on pictures and film clips.

Can't expect restautrants/cruise lines to enforce policies the majority of their paying customers have no interest in following.[/quote]



I remember George Clooney was on a talk show quite a few years back and he was talking about some club/casino he was trying to open up in Las Vegas. That would have a strict dress code . Suits and dresses , and tuxes and gowns in the evening . No jeans or shorts or t shirts . He was complaining how people have become so casual He wanted to harken back to the old Rat Pack glory days of Vegas .

I don't remember it coming to fruition.

[chrispb]

Just to confirm that a lounge suit is what you guys call a suit (it's what we usually call them too), as opposed to morning suits, tails, etc. ie a matching jacket and trousers.:)

Strange how we speak the same language but it doesn't always seem that way. I've no idea what "dockers" are. To us Brits they were people who worked on the docks (sadly no more). I'm guessing they're chinos?

[buckirj1]

Lounge Suit = what we know today as a man's Business Suit
Dinner Suit = Tuxedo
White Tie = White Tie

There are corollaries for women: day dress, dinner dress, cocktail dress, evening gown, ball gown...

From a thankfully long gone age when rich folks had the time and wherewithal (not to mention the assistance of poor folks like "ladies'" maids and "gentlemen's" valets) to change clothes several times a day, depending on what they were doing and who they were doing it with.

Things are so much better today.

To the previous poster: Dockers are a brand name for a type of chinos. I believe Dockers are a subsidiary of the Levi Strauss blue jeans company. They're the sort of trousers USA middle management-types wear when they think they're dressing casually, going off to golf at the country club or somesuch.

[Sea King]

[quote name='RevNeal']I wear the sports jacket in-transit to the ship. That way, I don't have to pack it.[/quote]

7 pages to finally get the "answer" that solves the problem

have DH wear his Tux in transit:eek:

wish I could see TSA when he show up

now that we've solved the burning question of the day, how bout another 6 pages on white dinner jacket vs all black tux:D

[Crusin Kelly]

I considered renting a white Dinner jacket for our cruise (in 2 weeks). But because of the lowering of expectations, I have decided against it. Will take the money and hang out on formal nights at the martini bar (actually any bar that will serve them) in my dark suit and shirt with the funny collar...

<in Jame Bond stye>: Martini - Shaken not stirred....

First round is on Me ! ! ! ;)

[serendipity1499]

[quote name='chrispb']Just to confirm that a lounge suit is what you guys call a suit (it's what we usually call them too), as opposed to morning suits, tails, etc. ie a matching jacket and trousers.:)

Strange how we speak the same language but it doesn't always seem that way. I've no idea what "dockers" are. To us Brits they were people who worked on the docks (sadly no more). I'm guessing they're chinos?[/quote]

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3]Dockers? Yes you are correct they could be chino's but they come in a myriad of colors & are a popular brand name of casual slacks, shirts, boat shoes etc., in the U.S...The slacks/shirts are in different shades of khaki, grey, navy, black, brown etc..[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3]Cheers...:)Betty[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SJSULIBRARIAN]

Pardon me for asking (no flames please) but do people really pay attention to what others are wearing?

[sail7seas]

[quote name='Sea King']7 pages to finally get the "answer" that solves the problem

have DH wear his Tux in transit:eek:

wish I could see TSA when he show up

now that we've solved the burning question of the day, how bout another 6 pages on white dinner jacket vs all black tux:D[/quote]


[B] I told DH about this post and he laughed..... loudly. :D ;)

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[quote name='SJSULIBRARIAN']Pardon me for asking (no flames please) but do people really pay attention to what others are wearing?[/quote]


[B] There are varying degrees of pay attention, IMO

I fit into the category of "notice but really don't care very much."
I look around, I notice people who look particularly nice or the other extreme and admire when I see a pretty dress or well cut suit. It's idle people watching, it 'registers' in my mind on some level but that's about as important as it gets for me.

Some people notice most of what goes on around them, some notice some and some hardly notice at all. I don't think there is a right or wrong in this regard.


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[RuthC]

[quote name='SJSULIBRARIAN']Pardon me for asking (no flames please) but do people really pay attention to what others are wearing?[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=royalblue]Well, women do. Especially cute shoes and great jewels. ;) [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[sppunk]

I only pay attention when it involves females and cleavage.

/ducks wife's glare

:)

[Seago2]

[quote name='sppunk']I only pay attention when it involves females and cleavage.

/ducks wife's glare

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Wish you were on our 7/29 Veendam sailing! Our roll call has one member.

[Copper10-8]

[quote name='sppunk']I only pay attention when it involves females and cleavage.

/ducks wife's glare

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=navy]"Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. Ya get a sense of it and then you look away." - Jerry Seinfeld[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Solid advise!;)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[boze9999]

[quote name='HealthyTouch101']We pack everything, including our formal clothes (women), in one carry-on bag each. Freedom in traveling and everything is with you, all the time. won't do it any other way. would you believe we each had a few items we never wore this past week, on our return, even with packing so little?

We do roll our clothes and only take two extra pairs of shoes each and wear a third, usually the walking shoes/sneakers.[/quote]

Travelers after our hearts! From formal 7-14 day business conventions to 14+ day cruises to multi week intercontinental travels - we pack tuxes, formals and jeans in one rollerboard per person - buy clothing, accessories & essentials (that only goes on vacations and "travels in compact suitcases") and you will enjoy the best of both -luxurious and casual worlds-and you'll never check a bag again! It's the onlly way to travel.

[mancunian]

Sorry about confusion in my referring to lounge suits. I just didn't think. They are generally but not always dark greys, navy or black and worn by businessmen and also nowadays often worn for weddings, christenings and funerals as well as semi formal on cruise ships. Since preferring to travel on American ships I have trained myself to say tux not dinner suit, but slipped up on this one.

As has been said here, we speak the same language - just about. It put me in mind of last summer and taking some friends from the US out for the day when they docked near us on Prinsendam. DH said to them put your things in the boot - apparently it should have been trunk. I am also getting used to talking about living in a condo rather than an apartment or flat.

[sail7seas]

[quote name='mancunian']Sorry about confusion in my referring to lounge suits. I just didn't think. They are generally but not always dark greys, navy or black and worn by businessmen and also nowadays often worn for weddings, christenings and funerals as well as semi formal on cruise ships. Since preferring to travel on American ships I have trained myself to say tux not dinner suit, but slipped up on this one.

As has been said here, we speak the same language - just about. It put me in mind of last summer and taking some friends from the US out for the day when they docked near us on Prinsendam. DH said to them put your things in the boot - apparently it should have been trunk. I am also getting used to talking about living in a condo rather than an apartment or flat.[/quote]


[B] Fun post...... :)

Just to confuse it more....

We have condos which are owned by individuals who may or may not make it their home. (Some rent them out to receive income from the property.) They are in multi unit structures, big or small, and share community space to which all owners contribute for upkeep, maintenance and improvement.

But we also have apartments. They are not usually owned by the occupants but are 'leased' from an owner. (Of course, an owner of the building where the apartment is locaed could be owned by someone who also lives in the building.) Occupants of apartments most usually (but not always) will have no responsibility to contribute to mainteance etc of communal spaces. Apartments could be one section of a multi-family home or could be a unit located in a high rise structure that has upwards of hundreds of units...... or just a few.

I get confused sometimes with 'jumper'. I'm still not sure I know what that is in 'English speak'. :D For us, a lady's jumper is a sleeveless dress under which we would wear a blouse or top of some sort. For you, is it a sweater?

I LOVE the differences in our 'speak' and it's fun to discover the various terms.[/B]

[fuzzywuzzy]

[quote name='RuthC'][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=royalblue]Well, women do. Especially cute shoes and great jewels. ;) [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]
I second that! I always look at others' dresses, especially really pretty ones. Also admire nice outfits on men too. Just part of people watching.

[ANSalberg]

Pardon me for asking (no flames please) but do people really pay attention to what others are wearing?

 

Please do NOT read this as any sort of criticism [it isn't] just an explanation. MANY years ago and on another line -on a "Formal-type" evening -two tables of people from the same city [which shall be nameless] came in shorts/T-shirts of the MOST 'casual' style [ "Pull-my-finger" T-shirts as I remember] and their behavior matched their attire. A FOOD fight between tables as we watched HORRIFIED,

I would never have judged what anybody was wearing before that evening -and maybe they'd have thrown food wearing suits- I have no idea. But I DO think that the GENERAL tone of a "formal" dinner -"Dress-up" evening -INVITES better behavior all the way around.

On the longer Amsterdam cruises we've been on we've seen people try to enter the diningroom in shorts/T-shirts [ this isn't 'questionable' formal -this is IN YOUR FACE casual] be stopped by the dining-room staff AT the door and the suggestion lightly/softly is "Sir - maybe you would be more COMFORTABLE elsewhere" and that puts an abrupt stop to the pushing-the-rules. BUT this is EXTREME.

The reality is that the costs of luggage and "formal" wear has figured into this debate and I believe HAL policy-makers would throw up their hands and say "WEAR what you want- just dress RESPECTFUL of your other cruise 'guests' " which is certainly OK IF the "respect" is there. "Pull-my-finger" T-shirts isn't it! ;)

Anne

[chrispb]

Fun post...... :)

 

Just to confuse it more....

 

I'm still not sure I know what that is in 'English speak'. :D For us, a lady's jumper is a sleeveless dress under which we would wear a blouse or top of some sort. For you, is it a sweater?

 

I LOVE the differences in our 'speak' and it's fun to discover the various terms.

 

Yes, a jumper is just a sweater - can be polo/turtle-neck, v-neck, crew,etc. Can be wool, cashmere, man-made fibres, whatever.

 

Even stranger, what you are describing as a sleeveless dress with a "jumper" or maybe a blouse worn underneath, we would call a pinafore dress:)

[momatibm]

Pardon me for asking (no flames please) but do people really pay attention to what others are wearing?

 

I usually don't pay attention to what the adults are wearing, but I do love to see the little ones all dressed up in party dresses or suits/tuxes. They all look wonderful.

[Seago2]

Yes, a jumper is just a sweater - can be polo/turtle-neck, v-neck, crew,etc. Can be wool, cashmere, man-made fibres, whatever.

 

Even stranger, what you are describing as a sleeveless dress with a "jumper" or maybe a blouse worn underneath, we would call a pinafore dress:)

 

DH is English. He wears trousers, a vest, jumper, Barbour and Wellies. He eats his pud every night :eek:. When he is around a bunch of Americans (for example, my kids) he will use American terms for things most of the time. When it's just the two of us of there is another Brit around- look out. It's as though he never left home- and it has been 25 years.

 

Btw, we call them pinafores, too. A jumper is a little bit different than a pinafore but they're essentially the same. A grown woman may also wear a jumper, but she will never, ever bum a fag.

[mamaofami]

The great debate in 'our house' has been settled....... :D

 

 

DH just called and I told him how helpful everyone here has been with their comments and seems many agree the tux for many of us is done and over.

 

I don't have to blame the evil twin I was debating 'creating' as DH said FINE.....

 

Dark suit and blazer it is. Two pair of dress trousers, three shirts, three or four polos, dockers blah blah blah and he will be a happy camper. The shirts, polos and trousers will go out for dry cleaning/laundering.

 

Now I have to cut back what I am bringing as well.

 

 

I agree, Sheila,,,,,,,,,,,,, we are so DONE with calling Allied Van Lines to transport our luggage for a two week vacation.

 

Trying to figure out how DH cut back to a sport jacket and 2 pairs of dress pants, a couple of shirts, a few polos, two dockers, and I had three pairs of dress pants and a few tops and still we had two big suitcases and two carry ons and one lap top and one medical bag? I'm convinced the daytime clothes take up more room than the evening ones.