Do you think RCCL will ever build bigger than OasislAllure?

[JAMESCC]

So what is the consensus, will RCCL ever build ships bigger than the Oasis or Allure? Have they stated one way or another that they will or never will again? I'm not saying they need to, or should, just asking the question. I admire them for taking on such huge projects. They really did break all the rules with Oasis and Allure. Thanks for any info.

[teddie]

I hope not.

 

teddie

[Paulxyz2004]

Not in the near future, but you can never tell what´s gonna happen in 10 or 20 years.

[negc]

So what is the consensus, will RCCL ever build ships bigger than the Oasis or Allure? Have they stated one way or another that they will or never will again? I'm not saying they need to, or should, just asking the question. I admire them for taking on such huge projects. They really did break all the rules with Oasis and Allure. Thanks for any info.

 

Never say never, but they haven't indicated one way or another so it is anyone's guess. The fact that the Sunshine Project ships will be closer in size to the Freedom class ships seems to indicate that ships larger than Oasis/Allure aren't on the near horizon. There are probably limits to just how large a ship can be designed and still have it be economically feasible to operate, but only a marine architect can probably tell you what that limit might be. There would also have to be very strong reasons why such a large ship would be necessary.

[JAMESCC]

Thanks guys, it was just a curious question. For a while there it just seemed they were trying out do themselves each and every time. I am a HUGE fan of big ships so its all good for me. I hope RCL puts one of the "Sunshine" ships in NJ. Let me ask this, do you think RCL will over time faze out all the small ships and have a basic size of say "Voyager" size ships, 138,000 tons and up eventually? Meaning that will be their lowest size ship someday in the future?

[Don Pedro]

There is one on the drawing board that will be based out of Miami. You'll board at the bow of the ship, walk to the stern and get off in Grand Bahama.

 

Should be reasonably priced as the only fuel costs will be to run the generators to provide electricty for the ship. Halfway out there will be a 500 yard stretch of international water where the casinos and shops can stay open 24 hours a day.

[negc]

Thanks guys, it was just a curious question. For a while there it just seemed they were trying out do themselves each and every time. I am a HUGE fan of big ships so its all good for me. I hope RCL puts one of the "Sunshine" ships in NJ. Let me ask this, do you think RCL will over time faze out all the small ships and have a basic size of say "Voyager" size ships, 138,000 tons and up eventually? Meaning that will be their lowest size ship someday in the future?

 

Again, hard to say. Many of us feel that Radiance Class ships (91,500 GRT) are the ideal size, but RCI says that it is not economically feasible to build and operate more of those ships. The average life span of cruise ships is generally 20 years or more so we probably have another decade or more before those smaller ships will be removed from the fleet. Also, they are currently spending millions to revitalize the older ships in the fleet and how many more years of use this may add to their life expectancy is something that will have to be considered. Smaller ships have an advantage in that the line can use them to test out new itineraries which might not, at first, be able to fill those larger vessels. As the demand for those itineraries increases, the larger ships can be introduced to those routes. That has been the pattern that has worked most successfully for RCI in the past and is likely to remain true in the future.:)

[derf5585]

I believe this is what is in the planing stage.

 

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[thehogsters]

It might be 10 years or so but yes. Just look at the history of the cruise ships. Someone is always looking to one up the competition.

[Kunane]

I certainly hope they do. The fact that the prices have not come down on Oasis/Allure kinda shows the demand is still there. project Sunshine I suspect is them hedging there bets as older ships get retired and they keep expanding the fleet which can still function around the world.

But innovation is never a bad thing since Project Sunshine is kinda being build (speculation I know) with Oasis/Allure technology.

 

 

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[will773]

Not soon, but yes, I do think that they will build something bigger. Can't even imagine what it will look like! :eek:

[Desertbelle]

I am sad that the emphasis on cruising has become inward, towards activities, entertainment, and food, instead of outward towards the ocean, exciting ports and relaxation. When we were young we hated the idea of cruising on a floating hotel, but when we started cruising we found that we loved being on the water looking out at the ocean and visiting new places. Now, it's hard to find a quiet place on a ship to just sit and watch the ocean, or finding a lounge that has windows looking at the sea and the ports are so redundant, same old, same old, over and over. The adventures are few and far between.

 

We will continue to cruise but we will avoid ships larger than the Freedom and we are doing our best to stay out of the Caribbean.

[bigeagle12]

I am sad that the emphasis on cruising has become inward, towards activities, entertainment, and food, instead of outward towards the ocean, exciting ports and relaxation. When we were young we hated the idea of cruising on a floating hotel, but when we started cruising we found that we loved being on the water looking out at the ocean and visiting new places. Now, it's hard to find a quiet place on a ship to just sit and watch the ocean, or finding a lounge that has windows looking at the sea and the ports are so redundant, same old, same old, over and over. The adventures are few and far between.

 

We will continue to cruise but we will avoid ships larger than the Freedom and we are doing our best to stay out of the Caribbean.

 

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[roe2ship]

I hope not.

 

teddie

Why not?;)

 

Thanks guys, it was just a curious question. For a while there it just seemed they were trying out do themselves each and every time. I am a HUGE fan of big ships so its all good for me. I hope RCL puts one of the "Sunshine" ships in NJ. Let me ask this, do you think RCL will over time faze out all the small ships and have a basic size of say "Voyager" size ships, 138,000 tons and up eventually? Meaning that will be their lowest size ship someday in the future?

I hope so too.:)

 

Personally I do think in the next decade that the Radiance class ships one by one will be gone.

[Cuizer2]

So what is the consensus, will RCCL ever build ships bigger than the Oasis or Allure? Have they stated one way or another that they will or never will again? I'm not saying they need to, or should, just asking the question. I admire them for taking on such huge projects. They really did break all the rules with Oasis and Allure. Thanks for any info.

 

I hope not.

[KG1924]

I am sad that the emphasis on cruising has become inward, towards activities, entertainment, and food, instead of outward towards the ocean, exciting ports and relaxation. When we were young we hated the idea of cruising on a floating hotel, but when we started cruising we found that we loved being on the water looking out at the ocean and visiting new places. Now, it's hard to find a quiet place on a ship to just sit and watch the ocean, or finding a lounge that has windows looking at the sea and the ports are so redundant, same old, same old, over and over. The adventures are few and far between.

 

We will continue to cruise but we will avoid ships larger than the Freedom and we are doing our best to stay out of the Caribbean.

 

While I completely respect your opinion, I have to say that I really disagree! I keep reading that people say they can't even see the ocean on the Oasis class, yet I felt no more removed from the ocean on the Oasis then any other ship I've been on (I have yet to sail the radiance class...maybe that's why?) We also have only ever sailed in balcony cabins, so we always have that connection. I think the pool decks are essentially the same views, there is still an outdoor promenade w/ the running track (which I loved the track on the Oasis compared to up on the pool deck-makes so much more sense) and w/ the entire back open you have great views from the boardwalk. We are only usually in the promenade at night anyway, so the fact that there aren't any windows means nothing to me personally-you can't see much anyway!!

 

Again-I know you are not alone in your opinion nor do I think you are wrong (obviously-it's your opinion!), but to me having all the "inward" spaces allows for crowd control better then any ship I've been on, including the Freedom and that wasn't what I would call crowded. Now, if you want to talk crowded, the Carnival Dream class was the worst I've experienced as far as crowds go, but that's another topic!!

 

I definitly will agree that it limits where you can go-to me it's literally the only downfall the Oasis class has. I hope that it changes over time and is able to travel to more ports-for now I just can't wait to get back on that class :)

[roe2ship]

Now, it's hard to find a quiet place on a ship to just sit and watch the ocean, or finding a lounge that has windows looking at the sea and the ports are so redundant, same old, same old, over and over. The adventures are few and far between.

 

We will continue to cruise but we will avoid ships larger than the Freedom and we are doing our best to stay out of the Caribbean.

I have never found it "hard" to find a quiet place watching the ocean and if that ever becomes an issue, I will resort to my balcony.:)

[KG1924]

Oh, and I would obviously love if they were to build larger/bigger/better....but I'm very excited for the Sunshine class since we loved the Freedom almost as much as the Oasis-it sounds like it's going to be a mix between the two.

[Cuizer2]

I am sad that the emphasis on cruising has become inward, towards activities, entertainment, and food, instead of outward towards the ocean, exciting ports and relaxation. When we were young we hated the idea of cruising on a floating hotel, but when we started cruising we found that we loved being on the water looking out at the ocean and visiting new places. Now, it's hard to find a quiet place on a ship to just sit and watch the ocean, or finding a lounge that has windows looking at the sea and the ports are so redundant, same old, same old, over and over. The adventures are few and far between.

 

We will continue to cruise but we will avoid ships larger than the Freedom and we are doing our best to stay out of the Caribbean.

 

Book a balcony cabin.

[Paulxyz2004]

I am sad that the emphasis on cruising has become inward, towards activities, entertainment, and food, instead of outward towards the ocean, exciting ports and relaxation. When we were young we hated the idea of cruising on a floating hotel, but when we started cruising we found that we loved being on the water looking out at the ocean and visiting new places. Now, it's hard to find a quiet place on a ship to just sit and watch the ocean, or finding a lounge that has windows looking at the sea and the ports are so redundant, same old, same old, over and over. The adventures are few and far between.

 

We will continue to cruise but we will avoid ships larger than the Freedom and we are doing our best to stay out of the Caribbean.

 

I agree, though for me I think the Freedom is already as "disconnected" from the sea voews as Oasis, maybe even more. I can´t tell about Voyager class, as I haven´t been on one yet. My favourites are Vision and Radiance class. I´ve talked to people on these ships saying they miss the Royal Promenade. I respect their opinion but I don´t get it. To me it´s just a wide hallway to walk from one end to the other. BUt to each their own and while I´m sure at some point ships might get bigger than Oasis I´m also sure there will always be smaller ships as well.

 

Decades ago nobody would have thought a plane as big as the A380 would be around. Same goes for Oasis and time will get even bigger ones, but still the smaller ones are still around too.

[Desertbelle]

We always book balconies, so we can enjoy our ocean views. But, it's not just sitting and looking at the ocean, it's the being reminded you are on the ocean when you are just walking around or eating. I love the elevators on the Radiance class, and a few others, that give you an ocean view every time you are in an elevator. I love the Vision class ships with several stories of glass in the dining rooms, the feeling of eating on the ocean and being outside is so pleasant. I love the ships with eating areas off the back end of the Windjammer were you can eat outside and watch the ship's wake.

 

Our last cruise on the Freedom was our first cruise on a ship larger than a Radiance class ship. We enjoyed the Freedom, it's a lovely ship. It was our first time with a "promenade", and though we used it many times (mostly to grab a bite to eat or a cup of tea), it had the feel of a mall rather than a ship, and that was a little off-putting...I don't do malls, even at home, unless absolutely necessary.

 

On the Freedom this last November we tried to find a bar that had big windows looking out at the ocean but couldn't find one except the Viking Crown Lounge and mostly what you see there is the ship deck, but it was better than nothing. We don't want to drink in a bar with no view....I can do that at home.

 

I did notice that on every Royal ship we have been on in the past, the Viking Crown lounge was always empty, during the day we wouldn't see more than a few people and generally there wouldn't even be a bartender in there. But now, it's the only bar where you can drink and enjoy an ocean view and we found it packed all day long. So it seems people do want to see the ocean more.

 

Coming up in October we will be spending 29 days, in a balcony cabin, on the Mariner of the Seas, our first Adventure class ship. I am sure we will love it and have a wonderful time. As I said in my first post, we aren't quitting cruising, but I am sad the emphasis on cruising has changed, for us the SHIP will NEVER be our destination.

[BND]

I highly doubt it as finding places that Oasis/Allure can dock is difficult. They had to dredge out a few places, including Nassau just to be able to bring her into the docks there. They'll never take them somewhere that requires tendering as it would take too long to get everyone off and on again. It's expensive to dredge and each of those ships cost $1billion+ to build.

[travelberlin]

I really hope not.

[Scotty G]

I have seen information that Richard Fain and Adam Goldstein have said there are no current plans for more Oasis class or larger in the future.

 

Here is a portion of a CNN interview from late 2010:

CNN interviewed Royal Caribbean CEO Adam Goldstein to talk about where Royal Caribbean is right now and its future. Topics of the interview included the state of the cruise industry, the arrival of the Allure of the Seas and an unusual debate over which really is the largest cruise ship. Here are some highlights of the interview from Adam.

 

 

Goldstein on adding ships larger than Allure:

In the near term, no. We don't have any current plans to go beyond Oasis class. In fact, we've said that we're not currently thinking of adding to Oasis class.

[Compass Rose]

I am sad that the emphasis on cruising has become inward, towards activities, entertainment, and food, instead of outward towards the ocean, exciting ports and relaxation. When we were young we hated the idea of cruising on a floating hotel, but when we started cruising we found that we loved being on the water looking out at the ocean and visiting new places. Now, it's hard to find a quiet place on a ship to just sit and watch the ocean, or finding a lounge that has windows looking at the sea and the ports are so redundant, same old, same old, over and over. The adventures are few and far between.

 

We will continue to cruise but we will avoid ships larger than the Freedom and we are doing our best to stay out of the Caribbean.

You certainly hit the nail on the head for my husband and me. We want to plan two more cruises for 2013, but nothing seems to be out there for us except the luxury cruises, and we don't want to spend the money at this time to do any of those. We like leaving out of Tampa because the ships are limited in size as to fitting under the Sunshine Skyway. But we aren't fond of the itineraries. Anyway, we love the smaller ships.