Common courtesy?

[sparks1093]

There is no Bill of Balcony Rights, and not formal ruling body to lodge a formal complaint. Roll the dice. We are non-smokers, always book balconies....NEVER had a problem.

 

Are we talking about the smoking in the casinos now:)?

[Cruisit]

Everyone is talking about the rights of a smoker and the right of a nonsmoker, but for the longest time, hundreds of years, rights have been described in a certain way: You have rights until those rights impede on others rights.

It's the reason on radios words are blocked out and such scenarios; a person's rights to not hear those words outweigh another's rights to hear those words.

The same idea can be applied to the smoking situation. Smoking is harmful, as is the smoke produced from a cigarettes, cigars, etc. Now, I'm not telling you to not smoke (you may do as you please) I'm just stating a fact. So, in the end nonsmokers’ rights to not smell smoke win out over smokers' rights to smoke. However, this is why Carnival sets up smoking areas. While this isn't as convenient as your personal balcony, it's a compromise that will 'satisfy' both parties.

[elcuchio24]

Everyone is talking about the rights of a smoker and the right of a nonsmoker, but for the longest time, hundreds of years, rights have been described in a certain way: You have rights until those rights impede on others rights.

It's the reason on radios words are blocked out and such scenarios; a person's rights to not hear those words outweigh another's rights to hear those words.

The same idea can be applied to the smoking situation. Smoking is harmful, as is the smoke produced from a cigarettes, cigars, etc. Now, I'm not telling you to not smoke (you may do as you please) I'm just stating a fact. So, in the end nonsmokers’ rights to not smell smoke win out over smokers' rights to smoke. However, this is why Carnival sets up smoking areas. While this isn't as convenient as your personal balcony, it's a compromise that will 'satisfy' both parties.

 

Well, thanks for laying it all out in an easy-to-understand way...:confused:

[H82seaUgo]

This is a question for both non-smokers and smokers.

 

What would a smoker accept as a form of communication between their self and a non-smoker on balconies next to each other?

 

Both have rights - is there a way something could be worked out so that both parties could enjoy their balconies without anyone being put out?

 

most balconies are a designated smoking area.

 

the only place you could ask someone politely not to smoke is a designated non smoking area.

[Rottweiler Puppy]

This is a question for both non-smokers and smokers.

 

What would a smoker accept as a form of communication between their self and a non-smoker on balconies next to each other?

 

Both have rights - is there a way something could be worked out so that both parties could enjoy their balconies without anyone being put out?

 

Good question.

 

When I used to smoke, I was always considerate of others. If you were downwind, I would wait till later. If I was having a bad nicotine fit, I would ask before lighting up and if they preferred I didn't, I would wait a bit longer.

 

Some are of the mind where they just flat out don't give a crap about others. You may see them here in such threads at times.

 

I say hope for the best that you have no smokers next to you but if you do, hope they are civilized and considerate. IF they are, return the favor and give them opportunities to smoke as well. There are just as many inconsiderate non smokers as well.

 

Wait until you are on the cruise to determine how to handle it. There is no one way as everyone is different. Always be polite in your requests as it most always helps in anything.

[Room Service!]

Everyone is talking about the rights of a smoker and the right of a nonsmoker, but for the longest time, hundreds of years, rights have been described in a certain way: You have rights until those rights impede on others rights.

It's the reason on radios words are blocked out and such scenarios; a person's rights to not hear those words outweigh another's rights to hear those words.

The same idea can be applied to the smoking situation. Smoking is harmful, as is the smoke produced from a cigarettes, cigars, etc. Now, I'm not telling you to not smoke (you may do as you please) I'm just stating a fact. So, in the end nonsmokers’ rights to not smell smoke win out over smokers' rights to smoke. However, this is why Carnival sets up smoking areas. While this isn't as convenient as your personal balcony, it's a compromise that will 'satisfy' both parties.

 

"'satisify' both parties". Apparently not.

[Cigar Dude]

most balconies are a designated smoking area.

 

the only place you could ask someone politely not to smoke is a designated non smoking area.

 

 

Pretty much sums it up.

[Kato27]

Good question.

 

When I used to smoke, I was always considerate of others. If you were downwind, I would wait till later. If I was having a bad nicotine fit, I would ask before lighting up and if they preferred I didn't, I would wait a bit longer.

 

Some are of the mind where they just flat out don't give a crap about others. You may see them here in such threads at times.

 

I say hope for the best that you have no smokers next to you but if you do, hope they are civilized and considerate. IF they are, return the favor and give them opportunities to smoke as well. There are just as many inconsiderate non smokers as well.

 

Wait until you are on the cruise to determine how to handle it. There is no one way as everyone is different. Always be polite in your requests as it most always helps in anything.

 

Very well said

[Sammycupcaker]

I just had a conversation about this on the beach with another cruise passenger. I mentioned how I was upset at the lady who snapped at my 5 y/o who was swimming in the pool because she got splashed. I was telling her that I told my daughter in a nice voice that she did nothing wrong and that if the lady didn't want to be splashed she could have went to one of the 2 adult only pools.

Then she told me how she was smoking on her balcony and the people next to her kept making really rude comments and saying what a dirty habit smoking was. I said, I don't smoke, I hate the smell of smoke but it's your right. Carnival says you can smoke on the balcony so go ahead.

I had considered booking a balcony but wold have been really upset if I smelled smoke everytime I went on the balcony. So I saved the money and went with an ocean view.

 

We said, it would be nice if cruise lines had one side of the ship have smoking allowed on the balconies and one side be a no smoking side. Will everyone be happy, no. One side will fill up first and then people will be stuck with whats available. Much like a hotel that has smoking/no smoking rooms. The guarantee cabins would also be a little less desireable as you wouldn't know what you would end up with ( like a priceline bid).

[CrusinCyndi]

I personally will smoke in the morning on my balcony, probably 2-3. Maybe another 2 before lunch and maybe 1 late afternoon. At night I will smoke 2-3 before I go to bed. The rest of the time I will smoke elsewhere in the public smoking areas. I smoke up to a pack a day. I would not be rude if someone asked me to stop smoking but I would most likely ignore it unless I was about to head out to a public area where I could continue. I hate being discriminated for doing something legal. I will make an effort to not offend people with my smoking. I am generally a sensitive and caring person. But if Carnival says I can not smoke in my room but I can on the balcony then I will. It's a big open air world and the 20 knot wind will keep a breeze going and no one will get too much second-hand smoke. Some people get upset just getting a hint of smoke. Obviously, if I see a cloud of smoke permeating the balcony then I will put it out and wait until I can go to a more open public space. I don't need someone to tell me. I know this may not be the answer you are looking for but it's my opinion.

I don't mean any disrespect but I will defend my right to smoke as long as I am not creating a smoke den.

 

Well said...I could not agree more!

[bplazo]

If the cruisline allows smoking and IF I was a smoker then I would smoke on my balcony whenever I wanted.

 

We always have had a balcony and smokes has never been a problem.

[sparks1093]

most balconies are a designated smoking area.

 

the only place you could ask someone politely not to smoke is a designated non smoking area.

 

You can always ask, but the other person is well within their rights to say no (unless of course they are in a non-smoking area).

[Chmie]

If told by my neighbour that my smoke was bothering them I would butt out. Often I will not even lite up if I think it will bother someone near me. Common courtesy and politeness goes a long way on both sides. :)

[packedandready]

As a nonsmoker.....since CCL's policy is to allow smoking on balconies I don't think I could ever ask our neighbor to not smoke.

 

I've wondered about some type of "signal" we could use that would tell us when they were through and either leaving their cabin or just going back inside.

 

For the smokers.....how would you feel about that?

[Jana60]

I personally will smoke in the morning on my balcony, probably 2-3. Maybe another 2 before lunch and maybe 1 late afternoon. At night I will smoke 2-3 before I go to bed. The rest of the time I will smoke elsewhere in the public smoking areas. I smoke up to a pack a day. I would not be rude if someone asked me to stop smoking but I would most likely ignore it unless I was about to head out to a public area where I could continue. I hate being discriminated for doing something legal. I will make an effort to not offend people with my smoking. I am generally a sensitive and caring person. But if Carnival says I can not smoke in my room but I can on the balcony then I will. It's a big open air world and the 20 knot wind will keep a breeze going and no one will get too much second-hand smoke. Some people get upset just getting a hint of smoke. Obviously, if I see a cloud of smoke permeating the balcony then I will put it out and wait until I can go to a more open public space. I don't need someone to tell me. I know this may not be the answer you are looking for but it's my opinion.

I don't mean any disrespect but I will defend my right to smoke as long as I am not creating a smoke den.

 

Most people smokers or non-smokers use their Balcony most first thing in the morning and evening. Since, other than after meals this is also the most comon time for a smoker to need to smoke, the OP is likely to get the above response from any smoking neighbor. That being said, I am a former smoker who is now allergic to the smoke. I wheeze and must use an inhaler if I get around too much smoke but I find that the air motion is very good on the balconies and I have never had a problem with my breathing there. I used to have to leave the black jack table when a smoker would join the table but now they have some non-smoking tables in the casino. Most of the smokers are amazingly very courteous considering they are addicted to the cigarettes but there are now very few areas on the ship where they can smoke so they would understandably be reluctant to give up that right on their balcony.

 

I wish everyone could quit smoking to improve their health but I know from personal experience how very difficult that is to do!

[C_hasRedBottoms]

I don't smoke. I don't feel that is it necessary for a smoker to coordinate with me when they chose to smoke on the balcony that they paid for. Live and let live.

[t1adams]

Here is a good way to assess the "bother" of a neighbor smoking. When you go to a resort or a hotel, when you step out on your balcony, do you notice others on their balcony smoking? *I* do. I can't stand it, so I go back inside. Having said that, I don't pay extra to have that balcony in said resort or hotel, so no biggie. However, if I'm paying hundreds of dollars to have that upgrade, I would be very annoyed. Personally, I agree with another poster that they should have one side for smokers and one for non-smokers. Carnival attracts a LOT of smokers for some reason. Maybe all cruise ships do (I've only been on Carnival). Maybe it's part of that "laid back crowd." :cool: I can hardly stand it walking through the casino in order to get through to the other side of the ship. The smoke blows all over the place in there.

 

All this said, I'm NOT going to ask someone NOT to smoke (they have their rights as stated by Carnival). Instead, I just chose to NOT book a balcony. A compromise for me on this upcoming cruise next March is to have a Scenic Ocean View. There's only a handful of these rooms. They have floor to ceiling windows and are wall width, and are on the Lido deck so WHEN and IF I want to get outside quickly to see something, I'm already right there and can just walk down the hall a little ways. These rooms are about the same price as balcony rooms though. But it's the compromise I'm willing to take (plus my 9yr old son is afraid of heights). This might be something you would be interested in. I advise to book early though. They only have about six or so of these rooms.

[Jana60]

.....So, in the end nonsmokers’ rights to not smell smoke win out over smokers' rights to smoke. However, this is why Carnival sets up smoking areas. While this isn't as convenient as your personal balcony, it's a compromise that will 'satisfy' both parties.

 

I'm a former smoker (nonsmoker for 13 years) and wish EVERYONE could quit smoking BUT the fact is that one of the "designated smoking areas" IS your balcony so you cannot reasonably forbid smokers from smoking there. There was formerly smoking allowed everywhere except the dining room on cruise ships. Now it is forbidden everywhere except the cigar lounge, the Casino, and the individual's balcony. I carry my inhaler and will use it if needed when near these areas but unless Carnival changes their policy, smokers DO have a right to smoke in these areas.

[LHP]

First of all, we are not talking about "rights".

 

We are talking about privileges and expectations.

 

Smokers have the privilege of smoking on their balcony as set forth in Carnival's rule book.

 

Nonsmokers have the "expectation" of enjoying their balcony smokefree but that is not a privilege since Carnival allows smoking on their balconies.

 

Hence, IF smoking is going to bother you...don't book a balcony.

[salty swimmers]

most balconies are a designated smoking area.

 

the only place you could ask someone politely not to smoke is a designated non smoking area.

 

Mmm, too simple. Could you please make that more confusing and of course add a few scenarios where exception should be made.

[pyroguy]

I've never had a balcony before but I do have one booked for next month. I would think that there would be a pretty good breeze on the balconies. Doesn't that kinda mitigate this a little?

 

Yes, it mitigates the smoke...but it creates another problem and that is the little "cherries" tend to blow off and onto the people down wind. Happened to me several times during our last cruise. Burnt my toes and arm...and the ashes stuck to our balcony railing because it was damp...and ruined a white shirt with ash residue when I accidentally leaned on the railing.

 

When it comes to balcony rights, non-smokers don't have any, it's as simple as that. Even after telling the offenders, they shrugged and said they pay for the balcony to smoke so thats what they were going to do.

 

I wish there was a way to let me know prior to booking if I was next to a smoking room. At least at that point I could try to find an area that had less chance.

[crusinpsychRN]

I don't think there's much you can do. Hope it's not a cigar. Usually only an issue when in port and not moving.

[crusinfamof4]

We have booked balconies on both cruises we have been on, have one for our third one too. Both cruises, both neighbors smoked on their balconies. We do not smoke, our 15 yr old has asthma and cannot be around it. It is unfortunate, we didn't really get to use the balcony either time, too much smoke. I was very disappointed on Disney when it happened. My DH parents and my parents smoked when we were kids, both sets have stopped, and I know what it is like to have parents who smoke, you smell like their smoke, your house smells. I just found it so unfortunate for these kids who were on the balcony with their parents and had to deal with it, not to mention I had to keep my then 12 year old son in the cabin so he wouldn't inhale it.

 

To each their own, its my opinion, I agree with the OP, I have rights as nonsmoker. But I guess on a cruise it doesn't matter. I will go out on the balcony when no one else is out there. It wouldn't be so bad if it was one cigarette, I could handle that, but it seems like they are out there chain smoking or something. And they stay on the balcony for long periods.

 

We got our boys an inside cabin across the hall from our balcony so they won't be subjected to the smoke.

[sparks1093]

We have booked balconies on both cruises we have been on, have one for our third one too. Both cruises, both neighbors smoked on their balconies. We do not smoke, our 15 yr old has asthma and cannot be around it. It is unfortunate, we didn't really get to use the balcony either time, too much smoke. I was very disappointed on Disney when it happened. My DH parents and my parents smoked when we were kids, both sets have stopped, and I know what it is like to have parents who smoke, you smell like their smoke, your house smells. I just found it so unfortunate for these kids who were on the balcony with their parents and had to deal with it, not to mention I had to keep my then 12 year old son in the cabin so he wouldn't inhale it.

 

To each their own, its my opinion, I agree with the OP, I have rights as nonsmoker. But I guess on a cruise it doesn't matter. I will go out on the balcony when no one else is out there. It wouldn't be so bad if it was one cigarette, I could handle that, but it seems like they are out there chain smoking or something. And they stay on the balcony for long periods.

 

We got our boys an inside cabin across the hall from our balcony so they won't be subjected to the smoke.

 

What it boils down to is that we non-smokers cannot go into a smoking area and insist that the smoker stop. We can certainly ask but there is no obligation on their part to say yes. I haven't figured out the percentage but the majority of the ship is a non-smoking area.

[chasinraynbowz]

First of all, we are not talking about "rights".

 

We are talking about privileges and expectations.

 

Smokers have the privilege of smoking on their balcony as set forth in Carnival's rule book.

 

Nonsmokers have the "expectation" of enjoying their balcony smokefree but that is not a privilege since Carnival allows smoking on their balconies.

 

Hence, IF smoking is going to bother you...don't book a balcony.

 

 

Well said.

 

I quit smoking about 3 years ago and DH quit about 2.5 years ago (I guess he was waiting to see if I was really going to quit... lol). Anyway.... we have a balcony cabin booked on our upcoming Conquest cruise. We know the risks and know that we may have smokers next to us. Luckily, the smell doesn't bother us so we will be able to enjoy our balcony. When and if there comes a time that the smell does bother us, we will book an OV or spa cabin. Problem solved.