Craps table bounce characteristics on Norwegian ships

[anthem]

This has been entertaining to read........

 

I can't help but to comment. Craps, like many games is based on statistics and physics. Based on throw speed, landing location, trajectory, table bounce characteristics, back wall characteristics, and hundreds of other variables the outcome of the dice is not random at all. Given the EXACT same conditions the outcome of the role will be the exact same every time. Whether a person is capable of eliminating all of the variables involved is debatable. I can see minimizing the variables of the throw and through practice and muscle memory I can imagine a person can get very good at at it. However I cannot see a person eliminating ALL variables, especially on a moving ship. I think both sides of the argument have already agreed that dice controlling is not possible. As for dice influencing, I think it could be possible, however it should be easily detectable. If a DI (dice influencer) is managing to eliminate a large majority of the variables the dice not only should be landing in the same small region of the table on the throw but they should also be hitting the same spot on the wall and thus bouncing to a rest at the same spot on the table. After a few throws the stick man should notice he is retrieving the dice from the same location on the table.

 

My opinion, I think a skilled thrower could swing the odds slightly compared to a person that just grabs them and shoots them down the table. I am not sure if someone could do this to such a great degree that it makes craps "profittable" over the long run.

 

Keep in mind I used no numbers or statistics in this analysis. Just some theories. Feel free to present supporting or contray opinions

 

The house odds on craps is usually 0.5% or less. If you can "influence" the dice such that the odds of the 7 coming out go from 1 in 6 to 1 in 7 as claimed - you would have altered the odds in your favor. And if that was truly the case - then you would be crazy not to be playing craps full time as the overall odds are now in your favor over the long term. Since that generally isn't the case - I have to imagine that most people who claim they can influence the dice in such a way are not truly influencing the dice. They are using a much smaller subset of data to justify the claims. . . Because literally - if I knew I had a greater than house odds in my control - (and most anyone else who does) would be exploiting those odds. . .

[OldSeaDog1969]

The house odds on craps is usually 0.5% or less. If you can "influence" the dice such that the odds of the 7 coming out go from 1 in 6 to 1 in 7 as claimed - you would have altered the odds in your favor. And if that was truly the case - then you would be crazy not to be playing craps full time as the overall odds are now in your favor over the long term. Since that generally isn't the case - I have to imagine that most people who claim they can influence the dice in such a way are not truly influencing the dice. They are using a much smaller subset of data to justify the claims. . . Because literally - if I knew I had a greater than house odds in my control - (and most anyone else who does) would be exploiting those odds. . .

 

Sanity at last...........

[OldSeaDog1969]

Old Sea Dog,

 

At first you came at me with sarcasm. In your final posting you are insulting and mocking and demeaning. You say that what I believe is superstition, which is your opinion only. My opinion is contrary to yours so therefore you have the right to be mocking?

 

You make a lot of statements of fact which you do not present any proof of but you mock me for having a contrary opinion.

 

This message board is about cruise casinos of which craps is only one game of many. I have not seen any discussions anywhere concerning Dice Influencing on this board and I would think 99% of the members have never given it a second thought. That is why I suggested a craps message board where you can get into this topic with many members and you mocked that.

 

I could come back at you with all the mocking and sarcasm that you have given to me but I am a better person than that.

 

Have a happy life.

 

Dicenator

 

Grow up will you & stop being so sensitive [it's humour not sarcasm]. After all it's only a discussion on a forum.

There again I am open to discuss the really serious topics of life like "why is it ALWAYS a 7 out after the dice have been thrown off the table".

[Casino Player]

Grow up will you & stop being so sensitive [it's humour not sarcasm]. After all it's only a discussion on a forum.

There again I am open to discuss the really serious topics of life like "why is it ALWAYS a 7 out after the dice have been thrown off the table".

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO OldSeaDog1969: Unless you use the same dice again. It's an old superstition, however, craps get superstitious people that play. If the dice hit someone's hand a seven will come.

[OldSeaDog1969]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO OldSeaDog1969: Unless you use the same dice again. It's an old superstition, however, craps get superstitious people that play. If the dice hit someone's hand a seven will come.

 

Complete myths & reserved for superstitious players.

 

Using the same dice has absolutely no impact on the next roll. Dice are inanimate objects so do not have a bias or memory of the previous roll.

 

As for it hitting someones hand & going 7 out. Yes it does & no it does not. What you have is what we call selective memory. You only recall the times that the dice roll on to a 7 but not the times it rolls on to a pass line winner.

[RANTHEMAN]

I find that if I close my left eye when I roll,I get more 7s and if I close my right eye I get less 7s.

AND,I have the stats to prove it.:eek:

[OldSeaDog1969]

I find that if I close my left eye when I roll,I get more 7s and if I close my right eye I get less 7s.

AND,I have the stats to prove it.:eek:

 

Standing on one leg while whistling the theme tune to the A-Team is also guarantee not to roll a 7 out..........:rolleyes:

[Casino Player]

Complete myths & reserved for superstitious players.

 

Using the same dice has absolutely no impact on the next roll. Dice are inanimate objects so do not have a bias or memory of the previous roll.

 

As for it hitting someones hand & going 7 out. Yes it does & no it does not. What you have is what we call selective memory. You only recall the times that the dice roll on to a 7 but not the times it rolls on to a pass line winner.

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO OldSeaDog1969: You seem to be missing my point. The game of craps seems to attract many superstitious people. One roll has no bearing on what another roll will be. However, because you do have quite a few superstitious people playing, why ruin it for the table? The object of the game is to enjoy yourself while playing. I always have a good time win or lose.

[sharkbait2]

I'm not a superstitious person at all. Until I get to the craps table.

 

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[highloyo]

This has been enjoyable to read after being a craps dealer a couple of centuries ago. In my dealer life, you would encounter so many different "system players", "dice setters", etc. who always win (yeah right!). Oldseadog, you could argue for hours and never get through to those that believe in dice hocus pocus. A successful session is due to the "system"; an unsuccessful session is because the the table is too bouncy. Ha Ha!

[Grandpaul]

I'm not a superstitious person at all. Until I get to the craps table.

 

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It's bad luck to be superstitious.

[FishonEd]

Enjoying the interesting read on dice setting / controling /not controling. In my limited time at playing craps one thing is sure it is good to be at a table when someone is hot. Weather it is controling the dice or just lucky rolls. ;)

My method is to try and be consistent and throw them the same way every time. What comes out comes out. Oh and I stay out of the middle. :D

ed :D

[Casino Player]

Enjoying the interesting read on dice setting / controling /not controling. In my limited time at playing craps one thing is sure it is good to be at a table when someone is hot. Weather it is controling the dice or just lucky rolls. ;)

My method is to try and be consistent and throw them the same way every time. What comes out comes out. Oh and I stay out of the middle. :D

ed :D

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO FisonEd: It is best to be consistent when you roll the dice. Whatever will happen will happen. Remember, once the dice leave your hand you have no more control over them than the Boxman does.

[Knickfanatik]

This has been a great read. I play a decent amount of craps and set the dice before I roll as well. If I am still around when my drink is delivered, it is a successful session!!!