amscene1 Posted October 22, 2012 #1 Share Posted October 22, 2012 It looks like the 2.0 enhancements Have been green lighted for the fantasy class ships Elation and paridise only. One of two reasons I believe. 1. They are the two newest of the class 2. They are the only two that are fitted with the newer Azipod propulsion system. That being said, carnival has to be thinking of replacing the remaining 6 ships. (Fantasy, extasy, sensation, fascination, inspiration and imagination) The former holiday class ships sailed 18, 21 and 24 years with carnival and the fantasy will be pushing 23 next year and the 5 others are right behind it. If I had to bet, I'm sure there is some big news coming soon about the future of these ships. Don't get me wrong I have sailed imagination 7 times and it is one of my favorite ships. But I think that carnival has to do something here as this class ages. Any body else's thoughts or comments will be well appretiated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted October 22, 2012 #2 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I think you forgot one big thing .. these two fantasy class ships were on the west coast when the others got waterworks .. and these two only did not get waterworks so they will be the first two who get 2.0. Why in the world would carnival put balconys on four of these fantasy class ships and waterworks recently .. and then get rid of them?? Your post makes no sense logically to me that carnival spent all that money on balconys and waterworks to get rid of them. PS Ecstasy got both waterworks and the balconys added on and its the 2nd oldest .. to further blow your theory about these older ships. That probably cost more than the 2.0 add on of a bunch of bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanJ Posted October 23, 2012 #3 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I don't think you can just look back at a class of ship and say that because those were gone by a certain age that that age will be the approx lifespan of the rest of the fleet. By that measure the 16 year old Destiny should just be gliding through it's golden years instead of about to be ripped apart and dramtically changed. The Tropicale, Jubilee, Celebration and Holiday simply were too small a group of ships to be able to generate good profits. Not to mention not having a big enough footprint to offer the amenities that people expect now. The Fantasy class are at least big enough to be able to add new things and still carry enough people to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royalty X Posted October 23, 2012 #4 Share Posted October 23, 2012 If Carnival is looking to expand in to other parts of the world (ie. Australia, Asia), they might send the older ships elsewhere (but still keep them as Carnival ships)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFunInTheSun Posted October 23, 2012 #5 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I don't think you can just look back at a class of ship and say that because those were gone by a certain age that that age will be the approx lifespan of the rest of the fleet. By that measure the 16 year old Destiny should just be gliding through it's golden years instead of about to be ripped apart and dramtically changed. The Tropicale, Jubilee, Celebration and Holiday simply were too small a group of ships to be able to generate good profits. Not to mention not having a big enough footprint to offer the amenities that people expect now. The Fantasy class are at least big enough to be able to add new things and still carry enough people to pay for it. Agree with this post and fireflys. Also the Fantasy class is the perfect size ship to be able to depart from small ports and visit more of the islands that the mega ships have more difficulties visiting. It makes sense for them to place those upgrades on those ships and "Modernize" them more so, as they "logistically" easier to be cash kings for Carnival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingoftheicedragons Posted October 23, 2012 #6 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I don't think Carnival is going to replace the Fantasy class ships anytime soon. They will definitely keep them around while the economy isn't as robust as it used to be--and as they contemplate the future of cruising. Smaller ships are great for some ports. The question they are likely facing is--do they want to spend the money to build new small ships (when the trend is for larger ships) for these small ports or just refurbish what they have. I'm sure the hope is for ports to spend money to accommodate larger ships, but even if they do, that takes time and money on the part of the ports. So I think Carnival is trying to stretch the life of the smaller ships to extend to when more ports can handle the larger ships and/or see if the larger ships are as profitable as they'd like before committing to spending the amount of money it takes to build any ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfadj Posted October 23, 2012 #7 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Sincethey have no new ships on order do not think they will eliminate any in their fleet just continue with upgrades for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tef43 Posted October 23, 2012 #8 Share Posted October 23, 2012 That being said, carnival has to be thinking of replacing the remaining 6 ships.Not going to happen anytime soon. As previously noted, Carnival has no new ships on order and the two ships designated for 2.0 were the only ones to *not* receive the EOF upgrades. The Fantasy-class are our favorite ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcearth Posted October 23, 2012 #9 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The Fascination is getting some of the 2.0 upgrades when it goes into drydock in January: Punchliner Brunch Taste Bar Hasbro, the Game Show DJ Irie Blue Iguana Tequila Bar Red Frog Rum Bar This comes directly from Carnival's website -- I would imagine that more of the Fantasy class ships are going to receive the upgrades as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisin' Cool CAT Posted October 23, 2012 #10 Share Posted October 23, 2012 It would be heartbreaking to see the Fantasy ships go (my FAV class so far)...I don't look for that to happen for some time tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPete Posted October 23, 2012 #11 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The Fantasy class are a Carnival cruiser favorite, and they are NOT going anywhere. Most of the ships not getting 2.0 have already been upgraded with something else, including balconies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridaythe13th Posted October 23, 2012 #12 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I'm amazed how much all of you know about these things! All I ever care about is the itinerary and a "larger" ship. I wouldn't be able to keep things straight as to what a ship had and what they have now. WOW.... :D So..... why are they renaming the Destiny? That's something I do remember because our first cruise was on the Destiny. Are they keeping the swim-up bar? Maybe I'll have to check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligirl78 Posted October 23, 2012 #13 Share Posted October 23, 2012 So nice to hear the appreciation for the Fantasy class. We are sailing on our first one in December and I was a little nervous due to some complaints that are the older ships. Nice to know others really like them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rottweiler Puppy Posted October 23, 2012 #14 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Don't get me wrong I have sailed imagination 7 times and it is one of my favorite ships. But I think that carnival has to do something here as this class ages. Any body else's thoughts or comments will be well appretiated! As long as they have no problems filling those ships, they will be around for a while longer. Once they have a hard time filling them I am sure they will look to newer options. They recently had FL resident at $149 for an inside on the Imagniation. Those rates alone can keep it filled with Fl residents and the occasional tourist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwightnwynonia Posted October 23, 2012 #15 Share Posted October 23, 2012 We sailed the Fantasy at the end of Sept and the CD stated that the Fantasy will be dry docked in January for the 2.0 upgrades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarJen Posted October 23, 2012 #16 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Another fan of the Fantasy class here, I sure hope that this is just a rumor. Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legion3 Posted October 23, 2012 #17 Share Posted October 23, 2012 All ships eventually have a finite cost effective cruising life. Like all machines they wear down and can be refurbed only so much. Once a ship no longer can no longer make profit the parent company moves on. Sometimes the ship gets reused by another company but like most things they struggle to keep working and have issues. Few ships cruise beyond 25-30 years with their original companies. The economy will likelyeffect the fantasy class ships thus allowing them a little more sailing time. Some of the most famous long service ships Mauretania 1907-1935 Olympic 1911-1934 Queen Mary 1936-1967 Of course shipbuilding and materials have changed but ... what is the oldest cruise liner still with its original company? The fantasy? Probably. I know some of the older cruise ships like the nordic prince and cunard countess still sail under new flags. Thus they are going on 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H82seaUgo Posted October 23, 2012 #18 Share Posted October 23, 2012 i think i remember seeing the oldest passenger ship still afloat was built in 1914. i will have to look to remember her name. obviously she no longer sails as a passenger vessel. there is also no supper club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitsguy2001 Posted October 23, 2012 #19 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I'm amazed how much all of you know about these things! All I ever care about is the itinerary and a "larger" ship. I wouldn't be able to keep things straight as to what a ship had and what they have now. WOW.... :D So..... why are they renaming the Destiny? That's something I do remember because our first cruise was on the Destiny. They are making extensive changes to the Destiny, and changing the name to the Sunshine. If you do a search on Sunshine, you'll find many threads about it, including a deck by deck comparison. Unfortunately, they seem to be removing a lot of public venues and replacing them with more staterooms. Are they keeping the swim-up bar? Maybe I'll have to check it out. I've never been on the Destiny. But based on posts here, the swim-up bar is long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zgwortz Posted October 23, 2012 #20 Share Posted October 23, 2012 So..... why are they renaming the Destiny? That's something I do remember because our first cruise was on the Destiny. Are they keeping the swim-up bar? Maybe I'll have to check it out. It's all marketing. The Destiny name is burdened by a legacy of mixed reviews. Since the remake on the Destiny is *so* extensive, I think they decided to rename it to give the ship a marketing boost, positioning it as a "new" ship and starting over with a more or less clean slate. (It really is a pretty big rework -- although I'm skeptical about some of the changes. And no, the swim up bar isn't on the deck plans for the Sunshine.), And if the changes go over well, they can redo the Triumph and Victory the same way and rename those as well as part of the new "Sunshine" class ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrounds Posted October 23, 2012 #21 Share Posted October 23, 2012 All ships eventually have a finite cost effective cruising life. Like all machines they wear down and can be refurbed only so much. Once a ship no longer can no longer make profit the parent company moves on. Sometimes the ship gets reused by another company but like most things they struggle to keep working and have issues. Few ships cruise beyond 25-30 years with their original companies. The economy will likelyeffect the fantasy class ships thus allowing them a little more sailing time. Some of the most famous long service ships Mauretania 1907-1935 Olympic 1911-1934 Queen Mary 1936-1967 Of course shipbuilding and materials have changed but ... what is the oldest cruise liner still with its original company? The fantasy? Probably. I know some of the older cruise ships like the nordic prince and cunard countess still sail under new flags. Thus they are going on 40 years. Excellent post. I agree COMPLETELY. The comments about the economy running the show these days is exactly the reason they are REFURBING older ships rather than selling them and building newer ones. The number of ports is essentially the same and will remain so. The only way to INCREASE participation in cruising for the cruiselines is to BUILD BIGGER SHIPS. But the controlling factor RIGHT NOW is the HIGH COST of NEW SHIPS with a temporary decline in DEMAND causing the lower cabin pricing we see today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrigley80 Posted October 23, 2012 #22 Share Posted October 23, 2012 To the OP......I think you need to check your facts first. Ecstasy now has the Hasbro Family Game Night as well as Waterworks and updated balconies. I was on the Fantasy in March and it is a wonderful ship.....loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Geegitz Posted October 23, 2012 #23 Share Posted October 23, 2012 They will keep using them for the short cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted October 23, 2012 #24 Share Posted October 23, 2012 According to Carnival.com the Fantasy is also getting some 2.0 enhancements in Jan 2013. The Taste Bar The Punchliner Comedy Brunch Hasbro the Game Show Blue Iguana Tequila Bar Red Frog Rum Bar (Already has DJ Irie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingoftheicedragons Posted October 24, 2012 #25 Share Posted October 24, 2012 The Fascination is getting some of the 2.0 upgrades when it goes into drydock in January: Punchliner Brunch Taste Bar Hasbro, the Game Show DJ Irie Blue Iguana Tequila Bar Red Frog Rum Bar This comes directly from Carnival's website -- I would imagine that more of the Fantasy class ships are going to receive the upgrades as well. This is exciting, since we'll be cruising on the Fascination a couple of weeks after her drydock. I would have been more excited by Guy's Burgers and the Blue Iguana burritos, but the punchliner brunch and the taste bar will still be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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