Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[ducklite]

Have you ever been camping? I mean really camping? But that can be done without roughing it up too. Years ago, our friend wanted to go camping. He rented a campsite at Disney with electric hookup and air conditioner for his tent!

 

If people wanted to go camping, they wouldn't have booked a cruise.

[chill6x6]

Have you ever been camping? I mean really camping? But that can be done without roughing it up too. Years ago, our friend wanted to go camping. He rented a campsite at Disney with electric hookup and air conditioner for his tent!

 

When I CHOOSE to go camping....I know what I'm getting myself into and prepare accordingly. These poor folks had no foresight whatsoever other than some knowingly boarded a ship that had previous known propulsion issues for several months.

[reallyitsmema]

I optimistic person I make a bad situation into a good situation. I would love to get stuck (not in summer hot months without ac) this time of year out there. Passengers were given full refund, they are given future credit for the price they paid for their crise for a future cruise....they have food and refreshment, I be in my glory!

 

We not have the proper information to know whether the passengers are allowed to use their cabins if so how better of a situation could it be if they do have access to their cabins!

 

Some people only complain, some only see and think of the gloom, some people just nothing will satisfy them. These things happen, its called daily life's problems....accidents happen, we learn to deal with them. Carnival did their best in this situation for the passengers.

 

The way I would also think, I would say better this happened on a ship than an airplane up in the sky.

You really need a reality check!

[lampskies]

Maybe......if they have a satelite phone. Not much reception 150 miles off shore for regular cell phones.

 

I just heard from a fellow cruiser who's wife and DDs are on board. She was able to get service from the other ships tower while restocking. There not allowed in cabins so sleeping in deck chairs.....no ac and using red waste bags for the washroom.......Not allowed back to get cameras, kindle etc......I'm assuming that means change of clothes!

[ducklite]

No,even LEGALY, it's not under their control. If so then please send me link where you read that. Have you never had a mechanical issue. ?

 

 

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If it's not covered under force majeure it's legally under their control. Mechanical problems are never considered force mejeure.

[nitro2448]

You must live a blessed life if you think "most people" can come up with the cost of airfare, pet care, parking, etc in two years. Many can not.

 

Here's what I think they should do.

 

1. Total cost of this cruise and the delay reimbursed--that means everything from cruise fare, taxes, port fees, hotels, all transportation costs including parking, pet care, time off from work, etc.

 

2. The choice of a free cruise of the same length in the same category stateroom to be booked and taken within the next FIVE years OR the cost of their cabin, taxes, and port charges for this cruise paid by check to the people who either choose not to cruise again or for whatever reason are unable to.

 

Would airfare not fall under travel expenses ? So the 5 year time frame would make you happy, what if the next person said 10 years ? And no I don't live a blessed life just think someone can save a few hundred dollars in two years to take a cruise.

 

 

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[berryberry]

I optimistic person I make a bad situation into a good situation. I would love to get stuck (not in summer hot months without ac) this time of year out there. Passengers were given full refund, they are given future credit for the price they paid for their crise for a future cruise....they have food and refreshment, I be in my glory!

 

We not have the proper information to know whether the passengers are allowed to use their cabins if so how better of a situation could it be if they do have access to their cabins!

 

Some people only complain, some only see and think of the gloom, some people just nothing will satisfy them. These things happen, its called daily life's problems....accidents happen, we learn to deal with them. Carnival did their best in this situation for the passengers.

 

The way I would also think, I would say better this happened on a ship than an airplane up in the sky.

 

Not only do you need a reality check but you need to spend a day at sea adrift with no facilites, and being herded into the top open deck - it is not pleasant and you would change your opinion quickly

[TullMan]

This reminds me of the Star Princess fire. We arrived in Montego Bay early. Carnival Corp was working hard to get us home. No flights untill the next day. The big announcement came that if you hadn't been notified, go about your business and wait. So, breakfast sounded good and on the way we found a notice in the mailbox. We had 45 minutes to pack and get off the boat. Then a police escorted bus took us to the airport. Since then an uneventful cruise is just boring. I don't want another fire but a hurricane can be fun.:)

 

Carnival's response teams do a great job during these times. We got a full refund, travel expenses and future discount. Things happen. You just have to roll with it!

[CdrescherRBL152]

And they would be wrong.

 

The coast guard has reported they only have the fore terlots working.

 

Aft are not.

 

Do not know where that dividing line is.

 

How would the news angencies be worng. As they are saying they now have bathrooms avaiable. And what differnce does it make which ones. If they have some working they have them. Unless you think they are goiung to draw a line across the deck and tell the passangers aft of this point sorry you can't come forward and use the bathroom.

[pontiac1977]

We have just came back from the Feb 2nd Miracle cruise.It opened my eyes.

Carnival needs to get its act together.I won't go into a big long whine.I don't want to pop someones bubble that might be going in the future.Was it worth $530 for a balcony.Maybe,but in the future we will try another line,even if it costs more.

[cruse2loose]

I most agree with MeggieMurphy's post as to what this cruise was all about. I always camped before I got into cruising and I pack like a Girl Scout. It would be like camping on a cruise ship. It wouldn't be the best situation but I like to see the glass as half full. I am retired and my sister has leave on her job, so we would be fine with that. We don't have passports but they are working around that to fly people home. Then you have basically 2 free future cruises.

[ducklite]

Would airfare not fall under travel expenses ? So the 5 year time frame would make you happy, what if the next person said 10 years ? And no I don't live a blessed life just think someone can save a few hundred dollars in two years to take a cruise.

 

 

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My brother is self-employed. If he doesn't work, he doesn't get paid. he takes a week off every five years. (Fortunately he loves what he does for a living.)

 

So that would be $1000.

 

Airfare to the closest port that CCL sails 3-5 day itineraries from would run him $300+ per ticket. Parking would run $10/day.

 

Travel insurance is another $80 or so pp.

 

He'd have to get someone to care for his dog, add in another $25 per day.

 

Tips are what, $12 a day? X 5 equals $60 pp

 

Now he's up to over $2000 and he hasn't stepped foot on the ship.

 

Like I said, maybe you can afford to do that at the drop of a hat, not everyone can.

 

I didn't see where CCL is offering travel expenses for the "free cruise," only reimbursement of expenses to get back home.

[sjn911]

I just heard from a fellow cruiser who's wife and DDs are on board. She was able to get service from the other ships tower while restocking. There not allowed in cabins so sleeping in deck chairs.....no ac and using red waste bags for the washroom.......Not allowed back to get cameras, kindle etc......I'm assuming that means change of clothes!

 

Hopefully each soul gets a red waste bag every day or something..makes camping or being stuck in elements working cattle with a snowmobile break down...and a long several hr walk/snow trek back home in sub zero high country sound better.

[nitro2448]

If it's not covered under force majeure it's legally under their control. Mechanical problems are never considered force mejeure.

 

When the Costa wrecked, that was caused by human behavior. A part failure may or may not have been. Lets use a simple scenario, have you ever had a lightbulb burn out ? Was that caused by your behavior ? It wasn't caused by nature.

 

 

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[jimboridesmtb]

according to the new update, the forward toilets is working and there is freshwater. Looks like the living conditions is slowly improving

 

Thank goodness for that. I think most everything else is tolerable.

[RuthlessBoss]

NBC news just ran a update: There is a Coast Guard Cutter parked next to the ship as well as another Carnival Cruise Ship. They are awaiting a tug boat which will take the ship to a port in Mexico.

 

All passengers will be disembarked and travel arrangements will be made from this town in Mexico (didn't catch the name) for travel back to their home cities.

 

Carnival will issue a full refund to all passengers on the ship plus a coupon for a free cruise in the future and a discount for future cruises.

 

The NEXT TWO cruises are CANCELLED. Passengers on those cruises will be reimbursed for the fares they paid, given a coupon for a free cruise and a discount on a future cruise.

 

That is the latest from NBC. It may take up to four days to get the ship back to the port in Mexico.

This thread is travelling at a huge pace.

I hope signals get going, some calls, some texts, and some pictures:)

[Mousehouse14]

Rah, rah sis boom bah - go Carnival !!! Yes, lets compare people affected by mother nature to those impacted by a cruise lines faulty maintenance. Oh, and those people freezing in the dark - they can still go to the bathroom in a toilet instead of a bucket, get a shower and get a hot cooked meal (and very well likely have their power back on or have a wood burning fireplace or stove or generator)

 

Just curious how a so called well stocked ship is suppose to cook that food without any power? 3000 plus people in the open/public areas of the ship for 3-4 days with no running water, working toilets, limited food and water to drink.

 

How can you compare this situation to anything on land? Not even close to the same thing. Everyone on the east coast knew a storm was coming and had plenty of time to prepare for it. If they didn't it is their fault. The people on this ship had no way of knowing this was going to happen. What are they suppose to do get off the ship and start walking?

[Cruizinman]

Carnival knew the Triumph was in need of repair but yet allowed her to sail. This was no accident, she should have been dry docked but yet she sailed.

 

Now Carnival will pay a higher price for repairs as well as refunds to their customers. If the customers actually get refunded is in question .There are quite a few Splendor customers claiming that Carnival still has yet to refund them. All of this should have easily been avoided.

[spar23]

We have some good friends from church that are on the Triumph. She was able to text briefly and said they are without power and sewage. She said everyone was doing as well as they could but there are some passengers who are starting to let the anxiety get the best of them. She said she will try to text again, but is trying to conserve her battery life.

Let's just keep all the passengers and crew in our prayers. I can't imagine the anxiety and stress they are all under.

[fuddrules]

How would the news angencies be worng.

 

 

[Northshorecruisers]

I don't want to sound rude here, I know a lot of people love Carnival - but I have to say when you are paying so little for accomodations with food included - what do you expect?

 

It costs money to run that ship (and pay for new ones to be built), pay crew, pay entertainers, do maintainence!!! Look at what other cruise lines charge for the same cabin. Yes, more expensive - but food and service are better. You get what you pay for.

[ducklite]

When the Costa wrecked, that was caused by human behavior. A part failure may or may not have been. Lets use a simple scenario, have you ever had a lightbulb burn out ? Was that caused by your behavior ? It wasn't caused by nature.

 

 

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If the lights went out due to a power failure by the power company (read the Superbowl) then it's a force majeure scenario--meaning the NFL can't sue the Superdome--although they can certainly sue the power company.

 

If the lights went out because the bulbs all blow at once because they haven't been changed or a power spike after the mains caused the blowout, it's not force majeure.

[RuthlessBoss]

My brother is self-employed. If he doesn't work, he doesn't get paid. he takes a week off every five years. (Fortunately he loves what he does for a living.)

 

So that would be $1000.

 

Airfare to the closest port that CCL sails 3-5 day itineraries from would run him $300+ per ticket. Parking would run $10/day.

 

Travel insurance is another $80 or so pp.

 

He'd have to get someone to care for his dog, add in another $25 per day.

 

Tips are what, $12 a day? X 5 equals $60 pp

 

Now he's up to over $2000 and he hasn't stepped foot on the ship.

 

Like I said, maybe you can afford to do that at the drop of a hat, not everyone can.

 

I didn't see where CCL is offering travel expenses for the "free cruise," only reimbursement of expenses to get back home.

Are you getting light headed over there in the hills of Clermont? Who would spend thousands just to get to a 4 day cruise?

[CdrescherRBL152]

I didn't say definite conclusion, I said reasonable suspicion of fault due to recent pattern of mechanical problems. And it is not a careless assumption to expect cruise lines to take responsibility for their engines.

 

I take a bus to NYC every day. If it breaks down, whose fault is it? And if that bus was having transmission issues for the last two months... well, you get the picture?

 

With 20+ years in the transportation industy, just a point. Regardless of any pattern of mechanicle problems, a breakdown is looked at as an seperarte event. As any mechanicle part can break at any time. I once had the motor blow on a brand new bus. Less then 50 miles from the factory. Although breakdowns are presumed to be under the owners control, legally the owner is only responable for getting the passangers to safe location in as fast as saftly possiable.

[BeagleOne]

There are different types of insulin. It's not a "one-size fits all" situation.

 

Yes, I know that. I also know that most hospitals have insulin in their pharmacies, and I would think/hope that a ship's clinic would be prepared for someone having a diabetic emergency, and that they could have several types of insulin available, just as shoreside hospitals do.