Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[cruzn buckeye]

Yes they did and I feel for each and every passenger on this ship. But they should feel very very THANKFUL that the fire was put out very fast. Carnival did a great job putting that fire out fast. This could have been much worse than it was. It has happened now and it needs to be dealt with and it is beening dealt with the best way it can in the situation they are in. As we all know the news media never really tells the whole story or the whole truth. And if you do not know this then you need to wake up and smell the roses. :cool:

I totally agree with you.

[RuthlessBoss]

You are missing the point. People paid for a cruise, they got a nightmare, and are out a weeks pay on top of it.

Yes, they didn't get what they paid for, but so many have no clue how to go into survival mode, so to speak. Their lives have likely never been deprived of much. Society now isn't what it used to be, it's more a gimmee thing.

And skip the week's pay remarks, has nothing to do with ship life. Loss of a week's pay will not ruin a person forever.

[cruzn buckeye]

Let's see, they are out a week's pay plus additional expenses and are getting a cruise credit that will cost them additional fund to use. I've not sure how you call that worthy.

They are getting complete refund on the cruise they are on now, which by the way, was almost completely finished. They are also getting a cruise credit for another cruise for the amount they paid for this cruise. They are also getting all transportation costs refunded. AND, they are getting their sail and sign accounts refunded except for casino and gift shop. So this includes their shore excursions that they went on and soda, and alcohol. which Carnival shore excursions aren't exactly cheap. Let's say 1000 for the cruise, 300 for shore excursions, 300 for alcohol. That is a nice refund. And their next cruise is free.

So all of these refunds help pay for those days of work missed. The only real thing that is sad about this, is what they are going through now.

[lucymorgan]

So many people have lived a sheltered life. I grew up a country boy. We lost power every major storm that went through. We melted snow on the wood stove. We set out buckets and dishes to collect rain water. We would eat what we could.

 

In the army we could go a week to a month without a shower or toilet. We slept under a poncho in rain storms. Our motto was " Adapt and Overcome"!

 

I've camped in a tent in the Canadian wilderness. No shower, no toilets, limited food.

 

Has nobody used a porta potty at a NASCAR race or state fair in August?You hold your breath and hover.

 

This isn't the end of the world. They are on a warm, dry ship. It could be a hell of a lot worst! It is what you make of it. You can be a "victim" and succumb or a "survivor" and get stronger. What does getting pissed off do to help out your situation? It adds additional stress to an already stressful situation.

How in the world did the settlers survive when they crossed the country in covered wagons?

 

 

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No it isn't the end of the world or the worst thing to happen in the world but for the people on the ship it is their current reality. I think they have a right to complain and their families and friends have a right to vent - this is not what they signed up for.

 

Camping in the wilds of Canada or using a porta potty at a NASCAR race isn't the worst thing in the world either - by a very very long way.

 

.... especially for someone who clearly takes pride in such experiences - now I wonder if we can we think up an experience for you that would make you uncomfortable and grumpy????

[MrPete]

Yes they did and I feel for each and every passenger on this ship. But they should feel very very THANKFUL that the fire was put out very fast. Carnival did a great job putting that fire out fast. This could have been much worse than it was. It has happened now and it needs to be dealt with and it is beening dealt with the best way it can in the situation they are in. As we all know the news media never really tells the whole story or the whole truth. And if you do not know this then you need to wake up and smell the roses. :cool:

 

Especially now reading on this thread that the lifeboats are unsafe to get into due to swells. I take it they can only be used close to shore, and we are all up the creek if something bad happens further out.

 

Btw, had I been on that ship, I would have swam naked when the Legend or the Elation was next to it.

[RuthlessBoss]

It is a bad situation. Hopefully the passengers are hanging in there and will soon be home. I don't think this is a deliberate act of Carnival against the passengers. While the situation is bad, and possibly could have been avoided by handling thruster problems proactively, it is what it is. Now they are trying to get the passengers home safely. And doing what they can. i hope the passengers realize that urinating on the floors, or arguing with the crew that are doing eveything they can to help (it is not the crews fault0, or hoarding food, instead of sharing so it lasts until they get home) is not in their best interests. They need to try and stay calm. And try and take care of themselves and their family, until they are on dry land. It kind of reminds me of the Superdome. And how it was destroyed by people that had it bad, but tore up the very place that was trying to take care of them.

And the conditions are partially the fault of passengers urinating on the floors, some in public areas. How SICK!! Same with food hoarding. Because of this, others don't get much but undesireable leftovers, then they report home there's no food. One family reports she had water and a peanutbutter sandwich as her "daily ration", How could TONS of food being delivered reduced to a peanutbutter sandwich? So this is how it gets reported to the media?

[dwjoe]

John Arthur Eaves, a Jackson, Miss.-based attorney isn't surprised the same ship seized by the district court in Galveston, Texas, nearly a year ago based on Carnival Cruise Lines' lack of compliance to standards regarding on-board safety and procedures aimed at preserving the lives of passengers and crew is now adrift in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

"How much longer are we going to allow this to happen?," asked Attorney John Arthur Eaves, Jr. "Once again, Carnival's desire to increase profits at the risk of passenger safety has resulted in putting passengers at risk."

 

On request of the Law Offices of John Arthur Eaves, police seized Carnival Cruise Lines' ship, the Carnival Triumph, in the port of Galveston, Texas, on March 29, 2012.

 

"We seized this exact ship to make Americans aware the same inadequate standards that caused the sinking of the Costa Concordia are the same problems on every Carnival cruise vessel," Eaves said. "How ironic is it the Triumph is the ship we seized to make this point?"

 

Eaves maintains Carnival continues to put profits over passenger safety and "has set the safety standards for the international cruise industry."

 

"Carnival has had billion-dollar profits yet consistently cuts costs in hiring and training of its crew, in the discipline of its officers, in the design of its vessels and, as we know now, in the maintenance in its mechanical operations," said Eaves. "It's sad but true that when a company like Carnival is able to avoid responsibility because of outdated laws they always cut safety costs to increase their profits.

 

"We call this greed, and the only way to remedy this is to close the loopholes in the law and hold the company accountable" says John Arthur Eaves, Jr. For this reason, Eaves Law Firm continues its actions aiming to change the rules on safety at sea for the entire cruise-industry in all the world. Hence the law firm is addressing all social, economical and industrial entities aiming to enact measures to avoid tragedies like the grounding of the Costa Concordia, a tragedy which could easily have been repeated with the Carnival Triumph.

Not buying this.

 

The Triumph was seized on 3/30/12 as security in connection with claims related to the Costa Concordia, not safety issues. It was released a day later. Oh, and welcome to cruise critic.

 

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=4793

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

Let's assume that the reports of sections/areas of functioning toilets are correct, and most of the "bag" issues are in the past. Though I wonder just how many bags the ship has on hand for such use. Are we talking gift shop bags included? With 4000+ bags needed potentially daily, how long would their supply last?

 

Tom

[MrPete]

Let's assume that the reports of sections/areas of functioning toilets are correct, and most of the "bag" issues are in the past. Though I wonder just how many bags the ship has on hand for such use. Are we talking gift shop bags included? With 4000+ bags needed potentially daily, how long would their supply last?

 

Tom

 

All I know is I'm clearing my schedule tomorrow for some heavy "duty" reading.

[ducklite]

Not sure what this attorney is releasing to the press now (in connection with the Triumph debacle), but the post insofar as it relates to seizing the ship last year is true.

 

The property (Triumph) was initially attached as security in connection with a then pending suit (wrongful death, concordia). It was the tangible, physical, reachable asset in the states. Don't remember if it was simply released, or if they were required to post bond before setting sail with the next group of pax who were onboard to leave on their cruise.

 

I'm not denying that the ship was seized after Concordia, but rather that there is a real stretch in saying that the Triumph situation was in any way the same.

 

I'm pretty sure Carnival Corp posted a bond for it's release, but I'm not positive.

[doneinne]

Well I'm glad there are rational people out there that could put 2 + 2 together and come up with the point I was trying to make.

 

Sorry that others took everything literally and still don't get the picture drawn on the chalk board in front of them.

 

I know it would suck! Most of the things I have been through sucked! But things happen that are out of our control. You can't count on being rescued during a disaster. You can overcome and adapt. You can make the most of it or you can think it is the worst thing ever and the worlds coming to an end.

 

Ps I was referring more to some of the people posting here, not the actual passengers on the ship.

 

 

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[ducklite]

Yes, they didn't get what they paid for, but so many have no clue how to go into survival mode, so to speak. Their lives have likely never been deprived of much. Society now isn't what it used to be, it's more a gimmee thing.

And skip the week's pay remarks, has nothing to do with ship life. Loss of a week's pay will not ruin a person forever.

 

Someone taking a cruise should not have to go into survival mode. As far as the weeks pay, for some people on that ship it could be ruinous. People are gifted cruises. People live on fixed budgets. You might be rich, but not everyone is.

 

I don't see expecting the cruise you paid good money for and expecting the cruise line to have an actual and workable plan in place in case of emergency to be a gimmee.

[Cushing985]

You are missing the point. People paid for a cruise, they got a nightmare, and are out a weeks pay on top of it.

 

Yeah but don't forgot..."The worst cruise beats the best day at work!":rolleyes:

[doneinne]

Yes, they didn't get what they paid for, but so many have no clue how to go into survival mode, so to speak. Their lives have likely never been deprived of much. Society now isn't what it used to be, it's more a gimmee thing.

Thank you.

 

 

 

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[ducklite]

They are getting complete refund on the cruise they are on now, which by the way, was almost completely finished. They are also getting a cruise credit for another cruise for the amount they paid for this cruise. They are also getting all transportation costs refunded. AND, they are getting their sail and sign accounts refunded except for casino and gift shop. So this includes their shore excursions that they went on and soda, and alcohol. which Carnival shore excursions aren't exactly cheap. Let's say 1000 for the cruise, 300 for shore excursions, 300 for alcohol. That is a nice refund. And their next cruise is free.

So all of these refunds help pay for those days of work missed. The only real thing that is sad about this, is what they are going through now.

 

You assume that people took shore excursions, drank in the bars, or spent any money on board. They are paying for "transportation costs" which I'm reading as "costs to get home from the point we put you to shore," not all transportation costs incurred for this cruise.

 

The future cruise credit will require people to spend more money. It is not a free cruise.

 

Maybe you work for minimum wage, but the mean income for a working adult in the US works out to more than the cost of a suite on a four day cruise on the Triumph. So for most people on that cruise, they are out more in wages/vacation pay then what the cruise credit is worth.

 

Many people also have other money out of pocket such as pet care, or even late fees for not being able to pay their bills on time because they are stuck on the ship with no Internet.

[Seago2]

And the conditions are partially the fault of passengers urinating on the floors, some in public areas. How SICK!! Same with food hoarding. Because of this, others don't get much but undesireable leftovers, then they report home there's no food. One family reports she had water and a peanutbutter sandwich as her "daily ration", How could TONS of food being delivered reduced to a peanutbutter sandwich? So this is how it gets reported to the media?

 

Do you not get it? Assuming that the reports are correct, it is sweltering in the lower decks. We can assume that elevators and cabin doors are not working/working sporadically. There is no running water in the cabins. You have thousands of people. Where are they supposed to go to the bathroom if they can't go in their own cabins? People are sick?

 

Where are they hoarding food items? In their sweltering cabins or on their laps sitting around the lido deck? No refrigeration. Think. Someone reported she had a cucumber and onion sandwich yesterday (read NY Daily News). Would you want a cucumber that had not been washed?

 

Use your head. It's not in people's natures to pee on the floor in public.

[luv2kroooz]

Yes they did and I feel for each and every passenger on this ship. But they should feel very very THANKFUL that the fire was put out very fast. Carnival did a great job putting that fire out fast. This could have been much worse than it was. It has happened now and it needs to be dealt with and it is beening dealt with the best way it can in the situation they are in. As we all know the news media never really tells the whole story or the whole truth. And if you do not know this then you need to wake up and smell the roses. :cool:

 

Who said they were not thankful? Heck, I'm thankful that the fire was put out quickly. However, let's be perectly clear that it was likely the fire suppression system that extingushed the fire. The news media, for the most part, is uninformed, and has no idea how cruise ships function. However, there have been enough first hand accounts for me to determine that there is currently a very challenging situation onboard for both guests and crew. Unlike you, I don't have enough information to know that it is being dealt with the best way it can. What I know is that this ship has been adrift without power and unable to consistently provide for many of life's necessities for 72 hours now.

[dwjoe]

I hope some Carnival apologists who were arguing with me yesterday saw that quote that the Coast Guard has not boarded the ship - just as I noted

Fair point. I think a lot of folks, myself included, read the CG's statement yesterday as meaning they had boarded and were attesting to repairs to the sewage system. When the poster okie called BS based on info he'd received from pax onboard, he was called out for accusing the CG of lying. Now it turns out the CG never boarded. Puts a different light on things.

 

I never said the coast guard was lying. The poster was saying I was lying about me saying my father said that there was no toilets available for use. I was simply stating what he said - I would believe him over what Carnival issues in their press release. Just because they say they have some toilets available doesn't mean that passengers can use them. I did not have a chance to tell him that Carnival said they were operational - the other ship must have left and he lost service as I haven't gotten any more messages in a little while. I do not have to prove myself to you or anyone else, I was just trying to help people who also have family aboard since Carnival doesn't seem to be giving up to date DETAILED information. I have no idea how to post a screenshot and choose not to do so.

 

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5191

[TerReuv]

Someone taking a cruise should not have to go into survival mode. As far as the weeks pay, for some people on that ship it could be ruinous. People are gifted cruises. People live on fixed budgets. You might be rich, but not everyone is.

 

No one should "have" to go into survival mode. But, if you do have to then they should try and make the best of it. It happens and it can happen anywhere. What if you were on a plane and it went down in a jungle somewhere. Are you gonna sit around and cry about it or pull up your big girl panties and deal with it the best you can?

 

As for the weeks pay, I would hope that most employers would be understanding and let these people use extra vaca time or personal time or something. This was beyond their control and most employers would know that. I am certainly not rich by any stretch but I am pretty sure my employer would work something out with me as would my husbands. Also, we would deal.

[jimbo5544]

Especially now reading on this thread that the lifeboats are unsafe to get into due to swells. I take it they can only be used close to shore, and we are all up the creek if something bad happens further out.

 

Btw, had I been on that ship, I would have swam naked when the Legend or the Elation was next to it.

That would have been a site!

[doneinne]

Someone taking a cruise should not have to go into survival mode.

 

I'm not a psychic. Who knows when you should have to go into survival mode. A disaster can strike anytime and anyplace. You should always have some idea how you would react.

 

 

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[Half Pint]

For all the ones saying to transfer them to some other ship in the life boats, there is an old saying - and it is for a sensible reason - Never step down into a life boat.

 

 

 

Thankfully, it doesn't apply to the Triumph situation, but if my options were the water or a lifeboat, I'm going with the lifeboat. :)

[MrPete]

Well I'm glad there are rational people out there that could put 2 + 2 together and come up with the point I was trying to make.

 

Sorry that others took everything literally and still don't get the picture drawn on the chalk board in front of them.

 

I know it would suck! Most of the things I have been through sucked! But things happen that are out of our control. You can't count on being rescued during a disaster. You can overcome and adapt. You can make the most of it or you can think it is the worst thing ever and the worlds coming to an end.

 

Ps I was referring more to some of the people posting here, not the actual passengers on the ship.

 

 

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Chalk board? Again it's 2013.

 

But I would have lost my patience early on, especially when what we are being told from source A is not marrying up to existance B.

 

And that press conference video kinda explains why there's been such deafening silence. I expect this aftermath on an incident some are saying is not as bad as the Splendor fire to be a lot worse.

 

I do hope I'm wrong.

[ducklite]

And the conditions are partially the fault of passengers urinating on the floors, some in public areas. How SICK!! Same with food hoarding. Because of this, others don't get much but undesireable leftovers, then they report home there's no food. One family reports she had water and a peanutbutter sandwich as her "daily ration", How could TONS of food being delivered reduced to a peanutbutter sandwich? So this is how it gets reported to the media?

 

How do you know people were urinating on floors and that the urine on floors was the result of broken pipes or overflowing toilets?

 

Given the behavior I've seen in other situations, I have no doubt that there were people aggressively taking piles of food. I hope that the ship made sure the disabled, elderly, and children were fed. I wonder how they handled food allergies--I'm guessing not well. :(

[fuddrules]

One thing is for certain though. I will never cruise Carnival after reading about the horrendous conditions that these poor folks are having to deal with. I don't know if Royal Caribbean would do anything different. If they would not, then I doubt I will ever cruise them again either.

 

Kinda sucks too, cause we had a great time. But the idea of having to poop in sacks, being unable to shower and eating cold sandwiches would be a deal breaker for me ever going on another cruise.

 

Better start looking into AI because you're done cruising.