jt'scruisinmom Posted February 21, 2013 #76 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Apologies in advance if this is a silly question, but is there any information on the height of the ship above the water line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlesteelo Posted February 22, 2013 #77 Share Posted February 22, 2013 This shape would be an enlarged Celebrity clone: That shape isn't as pronounced on the Solstice class, but it is definitely there on the Disney Dream/Fantasy and the Norwegian Breakaway. I have never really understood it, why not just make the ship the same breadth the whole way up? I like how the Freedom class is like that, and combined with the high bridge and the windows of the gym, it makes them look really huge from the front, when you compare with the Solstice class here: Oasis also has a similar look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruzerci Posted February 22, 2013 #78 Share Posted February 22, 2013 That shape isn't as pronounced on the Solstice class, but it is definitely there on the Disney Dream/Fantasy and the Norwegian Breakaway. I have never really understood it, why not just make the ship the same breadth the whole way up? I like how the Freedom class is like that, and combined Oasis also has a similar look. The Disney ships almost look deformed, it's very pronounced. But at the same time, if you look at the Oasis from the back, it looks the exactt opposite, it looks way too top heavy (yet still more attractive than the Disney Fantasy!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted February 22, 2013 #79 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Ref the shape you all are talking about, that is a superstructure made for rougher waters....More of a cruise liner design. Look at the QM2, which is probably the ship it is most pronounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisetrail Posted February 22, 2013 #80 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNV-IT!!! Posted February 22, 2013 #81 Share Posted February 22, 2013 The Disney ships almost look deformed, it's very pronounced. But at the same time, if you look at the Oasis from the back, it looks the exactt opposite, it looks way too top heavy (yet still more attractive than the Disney Fantasy!) I personally think the Disney ships are some of the most beautiful ships there are on the sea in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisetrail Posted February 22, 2013 #82 Share Posted February 22, 2013 The most intriguing part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelo7 Posted February 22, 2013 #83 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted February 22, 2013 #84 Share Posted February 22, 2013 The most intriguing part... Do you think that is some kind open air deck? That would be nice. A couple open air restaurants and bars would be a nice utilization of the space as well. As much as so many whine about the loss of the outdoor promenade on the new ships, I rarely saw more than a few people out there at any given time on the older ships that have them. It is a nice place to take a quiet stroll after a meal but always thought the space is wasted and should have more to do out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphirefighter Posted February 23, 2013 #85 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I don't see them getting rid of a promenade concept, or the crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scandinavianvoyager Posted February 23, 2013 #86 Share Posted February 23, 2013 WOW! Thanks for making this thread also into a discussion of where it will be cruising and from where...I mean this specific subject hasn't been desecrated enough in other threads :) I'm hoping to see new ways of doing a "promenade" onboard these ships with some better connection to the sun and lido decks. I'm sure this is one thing RCI is going to WOW us with, but even more a new thinking of how to use the upper decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scandinavianvoyager Posted February 23, 2013 #87 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Also want to add that these ships are built by Meyer Werft which are one of the best in its field which combined with RCI's world class (maybe the only real) new built ship team will for sure create something that blows the competition away like they have done the last 10-15 years. They both follow a great old maritime tradition of always inventing something new in the same way as they did since the beginning of the liner era which is more than you can say of the cruise companies today who claims they are withholding a true maritime style, but still only display bad copies of already copied interiors and exteriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted February 23, 2013 #88 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I'm hoping to see new ways of doing a "promenade" onboard these ships with some better connection to the sun and lido decks. I'm sure this is one thing RCI is going to WOW us with, but even more a new thinking of how to use the upper decks. Do you think that is some kind open air deck? That would be nice. A couple open air restaurants and bars would be a nice utilization of the space as well. As much as so many whine about the loss of the outdoor promenade on the new ships, I rarely saw more than a few people out there at any given time on the older ships that have them. It is a nice place to take a quiet stroll after a meal but always thought the space is wasted and should have more to do out there. Sorta like NCL's new Breakaway? It wouldn't be groundbreaking since another line beat them to it, but I do like the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scandinavianvoyager Posted February 23, 2013 #89 Share Posted February 23, 2013 No. I was thinking of the "Royal Promenade"...inside. Would love to see some more imaginary use of the interior space between the two cabin "towers". To make it more than just a corridor and to better connect the inside space with the top open decks. Like what they did between the promeade and the "Central park" on Oasis and Alure, but now without the open spaces directly above the promenade. My view of the exterior promenade we're going to see on the Breakaway is that the whole thing started with the open promenade deck above the lifeboats on the Crystal Serenity which later was taken to the next level on the Carnival Dream. Evolution continues and NCL takes it further. Maybe RCL will show us a new way of doing it. Very few ideas just comes out of the blue. Most are evolution of some previous idea. The "Royal Promenade" was done as a concept from the cruise ferry Silja Serenade at first who took the idea from a interior space from one of the transatlantic liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Church Posted February 23, 2013 #90 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Interesting conversation on this CC message board. We are waiting for the announcements on just what will be on our future cruise ships from RCCL. Take care... Irene & Miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacruzer Posted February 23, 2013 #91 Share Posted February 23, 2013 After being on the Dream with the open decks. If there are winds when the ship moves theose decks become useless as you cant even walk outside in higher winds when the ship moves. I think Norwegian is in for a big suprise going in the Atlantic with hte winds and those open decks .. Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted February 23, 2013 #92 Share Posted February 23, 2013 WOW! Thanks for making this thread also into a discussion of where it will be cruising and from where...I mean this specific subject hasn't been desecrated enough in other threads :) I'm hoping to see new ways of doing a "promenade" onboard these ships with some better connection to the sun and lido decks. I'm sure this is one thing RCI is going to WOW us with, but even more a new thinking of how to use the upper decks. Actually, RCI did manage to pull this off with Oasis and Allure. The skylights on the Promenade bright natural light in from Central Park and I felt that it made quite a difference in atmosphere from the Promenades on the other ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warm47 Posted February 23, 2013 #93 Share Posted February 23, 2013 The solarium area looks awesome. I prefer some covered and shady areas in the solarium also. The lack thereof is my only complaint about the design. Same problem exists on the Oasis.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warm47 Posted February 23, 2013 #94 Share Posted February 23, 2013 it looks like it has outward facing elevators like the Radiance class does. I'll be happy and will try her if she doesn't have a Royal Promenade, I hate those things. That is why I never sail on anything larger than the Radiance class. I also consider the Radiance class my favorite. Malls are everywhere but the sea is not. That said I really enjoyed the Oasis last October. Will always want a oceanview balcony. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warm47 Posted February 23, 2013 #95 Share Posted February 23, 2013 In terms of the Royal Promenade, I would love to see it turned inside out. Instead of walking down the middle and having the shops on either side, put the shops in the middle and have the promenade outside with lots of windows looking out at the sea. Now that's a great suggestion! Hope RCL is reading!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted February 23, 2013 #96 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Not true, the bit which sticks out at the promenade deck is only a meter or so more than the waterline breadth either side. The extreme value of 184 feet is for the breadth at the bridge wings. I don't think there will be a bit which sticks out on the prom deck, but the balconies will likely have some 'bulges' in them, probably around the elevator areas as is the case on Voyager/Freedom/Oasis. That allows the open 'centrum' bit with the panoramic lifts to be larger, which is why the stateroom corridor actually curves around. I have NEVER understood this stat...NOBODY goes to the bridge wings except the captain & crew...who cares how wide it is from bridge wing to bridge wing? I want to know the dimensions from port to starboard on the pool deck on both ships, deck 11 on Freedom and deck 15 on Oasis...BTW, I have seen width numbers on Oasis of 126 ft.,154 ft., and 207 ft...Freedom 126 ft.,142 ft.,154 ft., and 184 ft., all on different sites...for ME, the width of ship is the widest point that PASSENGERS can go to...I know the Oasis is wider ( probably 25-30 ft wider than Freedom), because you can see it in the Royal Promenade AND on the pool decks, but so hard to find it written down literally...would love to see the REAL dimensions of these ships.... Big Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlesteelo Posted February 23, 2013 #97 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I have NEVER understood this stat...NOBODY goes to the bridge wings except the captain & crew...who cares how wide it is from bridge wing to bridge wing? I want to know the dimensions from port to starboard on the pool deck on both ships, deck 11 on Freedom and deck 15 on Oasis...BTW, I have seen width numbers on Oasis of 126 ft.,154 ft., and 207 ft...Freedom 126 ft.,142 ft.,154 ft., and 184 ft., all on different sites...for ME, the width of ship is the widest point that PASSENGERS can go to...I know the Oasis is wider ( probably 25-30 ft wider than Freedom), because you can see it in the Royal Promenade AND on the pool decks, but so hard to find it written down literally...would love to see the REAL dimensions of these ships.... Big Al Royal use the extreme breadth because it sounds more impressive on paper. The best value to use is the waterline. On Freedom this is 126 ft, and on Oasis it is 154 ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dog Posted February 23, 2013 #98 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I have NEVER understood this stat...NOBODY goes to the bridge wings except the captain & crew...who cares how wide it is from bridge wing to bridge wing? I want to know the dimensions from port to starboard on the pool deck on both ships, deck 11 on Freedom and deck 15 on Oasis...BTW, I have seen width numbers on Oasis of 126 ft.,154 ft., and 207 ft...Freedom 126 ft.,142 ft.,154 ft., and 184 ft., all on different sites...for ME, the width of ship is the widest point that PASSENGERS can go to...I know the Oasis is wider ( probably 25-30 ft wider than Freedom), because you can see it in the Royal Promenade AND on the pool decks, but so hard to find it written down literally...would love to see the REAL dimensions of these ships.... Big Al In some cases, it is important: what is the space required to allow a ship to fit. Sort of like the hight of an overpass on roads: not to impress, but to make sure a tall vehicle can fit. Surely, though, it is also a marketing tool for cruise ships to instill massiveness and improve desire to sail on them. e.g. is Voyager or Freedom larger based on limited stats? ... Royal use the extreme breadth because it sounds more impressive on paper. The best value to use is the waterline. On Freedom this is 126 ft, and on Oasis it is 154 ft. On both Voyager and Freedom it is 126', so it may be incomplete to just use the waterline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted February 23, 2013 #99 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Thanks 3dog & littlesteelo for the clarification...makes sense therefore why the Royal Promenade on Freedom is 30 ft wide and on Oasis it's 60 ft. wide..there's the 28 ft difference at the waterline more or less...littlesteelo: went to Leeds Castle on my 24th trip to the UK 3 years ago..are you close to there? Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlesteelo Posted February 24, 2013 #100 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Thanks 3dog & littlesteelo for the clarification...makes sense therefore why the Royal Promenade on Freedom is 30 ft wide and on Oasis it's 60 ft. wide..there's the 28 ft difference at the waterline more or less...littlesteelo: went to Leeds Castle on my 24th trip to the UK 3 years ago..are you close to there? Alan Nope, Leeds Castle is in Kent. I am in Leeds, Yorkshire which is in the north of England. Also 3dog, what do you mean when you say it is 'incomplete' to use the waterline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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