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Zena2005

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Not really. Just frame the area out with non structural walls and vent with a fan to exterior via filter. Yes it should have been done earlier but a good crew could get it done in a day or two.

 

It will be a little more complicated than that.

 

They'll need to connect to a dedicated exhaust duct which would exhaust to the outside. If one is not near by, they will have to do whatever is necessary to connect to the closest one or run a new duct and exhaust system. Reason being is that they shouldn't tie beck into the return air ducts. That would just recirculated the smoke filled air. Also correct size of the ducts will impact the available space above the ceilings. I'm sure they are packed with all sorts of mechanicals and wiring.

 

Since a new room is being constructed, they will also have to add thermostats to that room as well. Pending how the air is currently supplied (system type: VAV box etc.), and what type of system, they will have add another unit or two up in the ceiling for that new zone/room.

 

Anytime you have to go back in and make an infrastructure change, it is never that easy. More than likely NCL has had this on their radar so I'm sure they already have a plan in play, but it will be more than a "couple of days" worth of work.

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It will be a little more complicated than that.

 

 

 

They'll need to connect to a dedicated exhaust duct which would exhaust to the outside. If one is not near by, they will have to do whatever is necessary to connect to the closest one or run a new duct and exhaust system. Reason being is that they shouldn't tie beck into the return air ducts. That would just recirculated the smoke filled air. Also correct size of the ducts will impact the available space above the ceilings. I'm sure they are packed with all sorts of mechanicals and wiring.

 

 

 

Since a new room is being constructed, they will also have to add thermostats to that room as well. Pending how the air is currently supplied (system type: VAV box etc.), and what type of system, they will have add another unit or two up in the ceiling for that new zone/room.

 

 

 

Anytime you have to go back in and make an infrastructure change, it is never that easy. More than likely NCL has had this on their radar so I'm sure they already have a plan in play, but it will be more than a "couple of days" worth of work.

 

 

It's quite common to build in additional rooms onboard cruise ships, and there are various contractors who specialize in doing just that.

 

Breakaway/Getaway and Quantum had additional crew cabins added after it was determined that service crew were short staffed.

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Zena2005

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There are many high rollers who enjoy smoking. Their potential loses will more that pay for the simple enclosure and ventilation.

 

I agree with you. I remember watching this older lady (late 60ish) sitting at (2) $25 slot machines, with a max of 5 credits ($125) per spin, playing both of them at the same time for hours on end; drinking and smoking away. She was accompanied by a casino staff member who watched her play and if she needed a drink, one arrive immediately. And for the record, she was on those two machines almost everyday on a 7 day cruise. She was a hardcore gambler.

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I agree with you. I remember watching this older lady (late 60ish) sitting at (2) $25 slot machines, with a max of 5 credits ($125) per spin, playing both of them at the same time for hours on end; drinking and smoking away. She was accompanied by a casino staff member who watched her play and if she needed a drink, one arrive immediately. And for the record, she was on those two machines almost everyday on a 7 day cruise. She was a hardcore gambler.

 

Working on her neon tan :)

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There are many high rollers who enjoy smoking. Their potential loses will more that pay for the simple enclosure and ventilation.

 

That just doesn't apply. Firstly, "high rollers" are not more privileged than "normal folks", so they have to follow the same rules of courtesy, health, fire regs, etc. This is happening everywhere. That's just life. Moreover, history shows that while there may be a small drop-off in business at bars and restaurants very briefly at first (the same applies to casinos), smoking bans have absolutely no effect on business in the long run. That pendulum swings back naturally.

In a casino, high-rollers are gamblers first and smokers second. They will keep coming.

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There are many high rollers who enjoy smoking. Their potential loses will more that pay for the simple enclosure and ventilation.

 

Exactly - a full out ban would alienate too many people!

 

I do find it interesting that they are making an effort to deal with the complaints - which is great. But, they have left the door wide open to go back to the way it was with the "unforeseen consequences" statement.

 

Of course that "unforeseen" issue could be reduced casino revenues! :rolleyes:

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That just doesn't apply. Firstly, "high rollers" are not more privileged than "normal folks", so they have to follow the same rules of courtesy, health, fire regs, etc. That's just life. Moreover, history shows that while there may be a small drop-off in business at bars and restaurants very briefly at first (the same applies to casinos), smoking bans have absolutely no effect on business in the long run. That pendulum swings back naturally.

In a casino, high-rollers are gamblers first and smokers second. They will keep coming.

 

 

So many things wrong here.

 

First, high rollers are more privileged in the sense that their play is more highly valued by the casino and, by extension, the cruise line. They receive free cruises and many perks to entice them to sit and play while onboard.

 

Second, regulations have nothing to do with it. None of the IMO conventions, let alone the Bahamian enforcement, ban onboard smoking outright. Fire? Other than ensuring the new enclosure doesn't cross any fire zone boundaries and has adequate fire prevention coverage, there's not much to address.

 

Third, high rollers are not regular joes, and there are many examples from the past of high rollers who will leave if they can't be comfortably accommodated. A single high roller can represent millions of dollars to a cruise line. The fact that casinos will bend over backwards to please them should give you some indication of just how particular and demanding they can be. There are many who just won't come if they can't smoke because there are other lines that do allow it and are just as desperate to get their play.

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There are many high rollers who enjoy smoking. Their potential loses will more that pay for the simple enclosure and ventilation.

Agree; if a high roller has to step away from a hot table or game to puff a smoke - it will get nasty over there! Cruises/Casinos, can't & won't alienated all customers, especially when those customers are willing to drop money like it's water or use $20 like it's toilet paper, vice or no vice....

 

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"Cruise Critic members first brought the no smoking issue onboard Norwegian Escape to light on the forums."

 

What a terrible pun!

 

They could have redeemed themselves by adding that this caused a heated debate, which caused the thread to go up in smoke :p

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It will be a little more complicated than that.

 

They'll need to connect to a dedicated exhaust duct which would exhaust to the outside. If one is not near by, they will have to do whatever is necessary to connect to the closest one or run a new duct and exhaust system. Reason being is that they shouldn't tie beck into the return air ducts. That would just recirculated the smoke filled air. Also correct size of the ducts will impact the available space above the ceilings. I'm sure they are packed with all sorts of mechanicals and wiring.

 

Since a new room is being constructed, they will also have to add thermostats to that room as well. Pending how the air is currently supplied (system type: VAV box etc.), and what type of system, they will have add another unit or two up in the ceiling for that new zone/room.

 

Anytime you have to go back in and make an infrastructure change, it is never that easy. More than likely NCL has had this on their radar so I'm sure they already have a plan in play, but it will be more than a "couple of days" worth of work.

 

For the ones are/were on board, any guess where this room may be located? i have not seeing many pics of the casino, but i've been 3 times on the Breakaway and i am very familiar with the space, we are non smoking casino players (no high rollers LOL LOL), we do not mind if is smoking or not, but of course prefer a non smoking one. I know the Escape is bigger but pretty much the space is the same just without the Shanghai Noodles restaurant and with the open Skybar area. I will find out in 3 weeks when we sail and will try to take some pics, it should be done by then.

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Another smoking question:

 

My German Freestyle Daily says (of course translated):

 

"Smoking: Smoking ist only allowed in designated areas of the outside decks. In the casino, in the cigar bar and on your cabin balcony (cigarettes only) smoking is allowed."

 

As NCL banned smoking on balconies by Dec 1st 2014 and now on the Escape also in the casino I assume this is wrong the the person got the wrong text for this.

 

Can anyone who has an English Freestyle Daily get me the English version please?

 

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First Impressions:

This ship looks amazing and very nice. The Haven area seems to be the most improved over BA/GA. I love the way the Haven pool area lights up at night. The Haven restaurant is expanded and not as cramped on BA/GA. But FINALLY adding a water feature (hot tub) on the Haven sundeck is the cherry on top.

With all these new restaurants the possibility of lots of upcharges exist. Plan accordingly and discipline yourself :eek:

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Well we have concluded another beautiful night in London and am looking forward to joining the Escape tomorrow. We have no expectations. We realize that everyone and everything is new so we have 10 nights of pure escape to discover the wonders of all the people who make this ship run. See you all in Southhampton...

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