Norwegian Cruise Line Bans Smoking on Balconies

[swedish weave]

Stick of gum? Who are you kidding?

 

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Many people have used chewing gum to help them overcome the urge to smoke.

 

Others have quit cold turkey.

 

Neither of these methods bother other people !!!

[Ewoodspark]

 

Others have quit cold turkey.

 

May I ask what is wrong with cold turkey.? I love eating it on Boxing day and take it in butties to work the day after

[welove2cruise232]

Many people have used chewing gum to help them overcome the urge to smoke.

 

Others have quit cold turkey.

 

Neither of these methods bother other people !!!

 

Until you step in it! I can't stand gum chewers who are so careless with their leftovers...:mad:

[sjbdtz]

Stick of gum? Who are you kidding?

 

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Umm... you??

 

I quit smoking after a 20-year habit of a pack dailly.

 

Gum was very helpful, as it changes the taste in your mouth, and keeps your mouth occupied (you wouldn't smoke and chew gum at the same time, would you?)

 

Because you don't associate smoking & gum chewing together, gum chewing becomes a good way to overcome a craving / distract your mind from the belief it needs a cigarette.

 

 

So other than you, I don't believe I was kidding anybody.

 

 

Stephen

 

 

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[Out to sea!]

Bottom line, though, is that the cruise line is there to protect "the many" and themselves.

 

Based on this line of thought, since there have been many more injuries and deaths in the last few years due to the over consumption of alcohol, if the cruise line was there to protect the "many" and themselves, it would be prudent for them to immediately ban the sale and drinking of alcohol on board. :rolleyes:

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Several pages back, people were stating that e-cigs should not be allowed to be used freely until they are proven they were 100% safe. I asked then (and again now), name any product that is 100% safe? Anyone? Or are the non-smokers asking for something they know not to be true of anything?

[sjbdtz]

Several pages back, people were stating that e-cigs should not be allowed to be used freely until they are proven they were 100% safe. I asked then (and again now), name any product that is 100% safe? Anyone? Or are the non-smokers asking for something they know not to be true of anything?

 

Cucumbers.

 

 

:D

 

 

Seriously though, at the moment, nobody knows whether second-hand inhaling the chemicals which cause the 'flavors' in e-cigs might cause cancer within 5 years.... because they haven't been here long enough.

 

That's where the worry is. We know that cantalopes can carry e-coli...so we take precautions around them. We know that slot machines can cause carpal tunnel syndrome, so we play table games... which leads to sitting too long, so we occasionally walk over to the bar.

 

The problem isn't that things are harmful, it's the insinuation that they are NOT, when in fact nobody knows yet.

 

 

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[emcelh]

Umm... you??

 

I quit smoking after a 20-year habit of a pack dailly.

 

Gum was very helpful, as it changes the taste in your mouth, and keeps your mouth occupied (you wouldn't smoke and chew gum at the same time, would you?)

 

Because you don't associate smoking & gum chewing together, gum chewing becomes a good way to overcome a craving / distract your mind from the belief it needs a cigarette.

 

 

So other than you, I don't believe I was kidding anybody.

 

 

Stephen

 

 

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Worked for me too after smoking for 30 years. Well, that and my doctor telling me after going through cardiac rehab following a heart attack, that I would undo everything I had done if I started smoking again. That was 8 years ago.

[PDIDDYwife]

Cucumbers.

 

 

:D

 

 

Seriously though, at the moment, nobody knows whether second-hand inhaling the chemicals which cause the 'flavors' in e-cigs might cause cancer within 5 years.... because they haven't been here long enough.

 

That's where the worry is. We know that cantalopes can carry e-coli...so we take precautions around them. We know that slot machines can cause carpal tunnel syndrome, so we play table games... which leads to sitting too long, so we occasionally walk over to the bar.

 

The problem isn't that things are harmful, it's the insinuation that they are NOT, when in fact nobody knows yet.

 

 

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Is there any wonder as to why you are one of my favorite posters??:)

And congrats on kicking a twenty year habit - strong work!!!

[GrabMyWrist]

[mein18]

Cucumbers.

 

 

:D

 

 

Seriously though, at the moment, nobody knows whether second-hand inhaling the chemicals which cause the 'flavors' in e-cigs might cause cancer within 5 years.... because they haven't been here long enough.

 

That's where the worry is. We know that cantalopes can carry e-coli...so we take precautions around them. We know that slot machines can cause carpal tunnel syndrome, so we play table games... which leads to sitting too long, so we occasionally walk over to the bar.

 

The problem isn't that things are harmful, it's the insinuation that they are NOT, when in fact nobody knows yet.

 

 

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Nope. Pesticides are absorbed

 

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[mein18]

Is there any wonder as to why you are one of my favorite posters??:)

And congrats on kicking a twenty year habit - strong work!!!

 

Again, NCL did not consider whether or not they are safe when they banned e-cigs. The only safety issue causing the banning was the safety of their staff when the squeeky wheels and the balcony peekers go running down in mass to complain that they saw someone smoking a cigarette when in fact it was an e-cig. I will also note that most e-cigs do not look like a real cigarette. Need I quote this from their policy?

 

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[gemsm]

Only 2 quick comments:

 

1. As to the casino, there are only X number of seats (or places) around the tables, and only Y number of machines. When at least part of X & Y are occupied by non-smokers, the fact is that preventing all of the smokers onboard to congregate around those tables & machines, in fact will be safer than allowing it.

 

 

2. To you, those 'flavors' sound appealing. To people who are scent-sensitive, those 'flavors' - also known as 'smells', may induce migraines. Plus, I'm not convinced that the science is in yet, on having to inhale the chemicals which produce those smells - not as a user who has chosen to do so, but by an innocent by-stander who is forced to do so by somebody else's choice.

 

 

I'm just saying...a stick of gum would help the smoker just as much, and wouldn't have any potential harm to bystanders.

 

 

 

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Kind of hard to get nicotine out of a stick of gum. Well unless it was nicorette in which case the reaction bystanders would get from me would be much worse then my e-cig as nicorette makes me violently ill

[gemsm]

While I can't speak to what the poster was thinking. It's likely that they are suggesting that an advertiser or user can claim something is harmless right up until the point that it is proven harmless. Proving harmfulness takes time and history has shown this to have devastating effects with asbestos, cigarettes, topical creams and medicines, food additives, medications, environmental pollution...

 

It's a health conscious, conservative stance to allow people to protect themselves with some additional limitations. If in 20-30 years the e-cigs are still not deemed (through medical science) harmful, then it's likely that the cruise lines will gladly hand back some additional locations to utilize them and likewise, non-smokers will have less resistance as well.

 

Personally I like the better safe than sorry route. E Cig users can still use them. It would be nice for the cruise lines to consider that their use is often to curtail the cigarette habit and provide a separate area for their use that doesn't tempt anyone to go back to the more harmful option.

 

Bottom line, though, is that the cruise line is there to protect "the many" and themselves. They are a business and don't owe smokers or ecig users anything except what they choose to offer them.

 

Yep...Just like smokers and e-cig users don't owe the business one dime of our money. God forbid a compromise could be reached based on current available science of e-cig vapor being harmless when used outdoors

[CasinoCruzGirl]

Same goes for cologne

 

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Heavy use of perfume also may give migraines. Should we now ban perfume? When does it end

[mein18]

Kind of hard to get nicotine out of a stick of gum. Well unless it was nicorette in which case the reaction bystanders would get from me would be much worse then my e-cig as nicorette makes me violently ill

 

Gum did the same to me. Losenges worked ok.

 

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[mein18]

Yep...Just like smokers and e-cig users don't owe the business one dime of our money. God forbid a compromise could be reached based on current available science of e-cig vapor being harmless when used outdoors

 

Nice to hear the word compromise. I was beginning to think that word was banned by NCL and/or CC.

 

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[mein18]

Yep...Just like smokers and e-cig users don't owe the business one dime of our money. God forbid a compromise could be reached based on current available science of e-cig vapor being harmless when used outdoors

 

Princess allows e-cigs in your rooms but not on balconies for the same reason as NCL. They realkze there are balcony peekers but they must have fewer room peekers than NCL.

 

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[JenLovesToTravel]

No one has yet proven that cell phones do not cause brain tumors. In fact there was at least one study that concluded they might. :eek:

 

Cell phones should be banned until proven safe!

 

:rolleyes:

 

PS - "[T]he cruise line is there to protect "the many" and themselves. They are a business and don't owe NON-smokers anything except what they choose to offer them" is also a true statement.

 

You're right. But if you chooseto use a cell phone there is no risk to anyone but yourself. I've yet to see someone walk up to me and hold a cell phone up to my head. Hardly a comparison to the ability for someone to breathe in the smoke or vapor

[jackson bernard]

Princess allows e-cigs in your rooms but not on balconies for the same reason as NCL. They realkze there are balcony peekers but they must have fewer room peekers than NCL.

 

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Just use your ecig in the cabin. Nobody will know.

 

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[mein18]

Just use your ecig in the cabin. Nobody will know.

 

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Very true but to be honest .... even when I smoked I have always been so appaled and sickened by indoor smoking I can not be comfortable even using an e-cig indoors.

 

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[Skallagrim]

You're right. But if you chooseto use a cell phone there is no risk to anyone but yourself. I've yet to see someone walk up to me and hold a cell phone up to my head. Hardly a comparison to the ability for someone to breathe in the smoke or vapor

 

Sorry, no one really knows just how far those signals and waves travel. Could they travel from my ear to your ear? OF COURSE THEY COULD! And even though very few people using cell phones have developed tumors in the years cell phones have been popular, and even though contemporary science strongly suggests that this is an unfounded fear - IT CANNOT RULE IT OUT!

 

Ergo, all cell phone use should be banned until we are certain it is impossible to affect others.

 

BTW, it is already fairly certain that if you are more than 5 feet away from me in an open area there is no statistically significant chance of you inhaling any of my vapor. Not that that should stop you from complaining; after all, it might be just like those cell phone waves. :)

[Skallagrim]

Just use your ecig in the cabin. Nobody will know.

 

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While in the vast majority of instances this will be true, I still do not like breaking rules under circumstances where the rules also say that if I break the rules I can be held and then forced off the ship with no return of the large amount of money I paid to be there in the first place.

 

A sensible rule would be far preferred.

[dangler25]

Right on!!!

 

 

based on this line of thought, since there have been many more injuries and deaths in the last few years due to the over consumption of alcohol, if the cruise line was there to protect the "many" and themselves, it would be prudent for them to immediately ban the sale and drinking of alcohol on board. :rolleyes:

[Out to sea!]

Cucumbers.

 

 

:D

 

 

Seriously though, at the moment, nobody knows whether second-hand inhaling the chemicals which cause the 'flavors' in e-cigs might cause cancer within 5 years.... because they haven't been here long enough.

 

That's where the worry is. We know that cantalopes can carry e-coli...so we take precautions around them. We know that slot machines can cause carpal tunnel syndrome, so we play table games... which leads to sitting too long, so we occasionally walk over to the bar.

 

The problem isn't that things are harmful, it's the insinuation that they are NOT, when in fact nobody knows yet.

 

 

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And that is my point. Everything (and I do mean everything) can be harmful either naturally or when used (usually improperly) so expecting 100% from a e-cig is really rather ridiculous considering the lowly cucumber can even be harmful.