thjeepster Posted September 29, 2014 #51 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Got off victory this morning in Miami. We saw cop cars, fire truck and ambulance heading down the port this morning as we were pulling in. Crazy that someone would do something that dangerous right before leaving the ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippmates Posted September 29, 2014 #52 Share Posted September 29, 2014 My heart felt sympathy for his parents. I can not imagine dealing with the loss of a child. All persons make stupid choices and some end better than others. I know we have all made some dumb decisions and wonder how we made to the age we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted September 29, 2014 #53 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Civilian marine radars rarely have a power density of more than 10W/m^2 when you're a meter away from them. Assuming this guy weighed 90kg and had a cross-sectional area of 1m^2, his SAR would've been about 0.11W/kg, well below the 4W/kg needed to produce known adverse health effects according to the WHO. Wasn't aware of the WHO threshold limits, but I've found info in manuals for several Furuno radars typical of large merchant/cruise ships that have a power density of 100W/m2 at about 0.9 to 1 meter, and you have to go out to 9 meters or so to get to 10W/m2. I would think his exposure would have been closer to 1.5W/kg, still less than WHO threshold, but all radar mfg. don't recommend looking at the antenna from close up, so there probably would always be eye damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliair Posted September 29, 2014 #54 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Very sad... I wonder if alcohol played a part in the bad decision to be in a restricted area. Maybe wanting a selfie of himself on top of a mast would be his greatest joy and ultimate souvenir. You really can't fix stupid these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliair Posted September 29, 2014 #55 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Heartbreaking to hear. His poor family. Abd to some degree the fellow cruise passengers. I'm not sure how I would handle something like that happening on my cruise. Sent from my GT-I8730 using Forums mobile app On a cruise from San Francisco to Alaska, when we got into port in San Francisco, there was a man laid out on the Baja deck of the Princess Star. He died of a heart attack. I felt bad for him and his wife. However, what this young man did was totally stupid, I guess I feel bad that he was so stupid to do such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliair Posted September 29, 2014 #56 Share Posted September 29, 2014 anyway... this is a very sad situation for the person that died and his family... I wish people would lighten up on the "stupid" remarks. The family may be cc members... they are going through enough heartache.. Thank you. Uh, they're probably saying the same thing as we are. I feel for their loss, but at the same time saying "how could he be so stupid to do such a thing." I've had a suicide in my family and we all say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1adams Posted September 29, 2014 #57 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Thank you. Uh, they're probably saying the same thing as we are. I feel for their loss, but at the same time saying "how could he be so stupid to do such a thing." I've had a suicide in my family and we all say the same thing. Same here. Ours was an accidental suicide due to our son being just 14, and very ADHD. Just thought he would play a horrible joke on his sister and her friend. He's my first born and my son, I still question his stupid decision. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliair Posted September 29, 2014 #58 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Uh, they're probably saying the same thing as we are. I feel for their loss, but at the same time saying "how could he be so stupid to do such a thing." I've had a suicide in my family and we all say the same thing. Same here. Ours was an accidental suicide due to our son being just 14, and very ADHD. Just thought he would play a horrible joke on his sister and her friend. He's my first born and my son, I still question his stupid decision. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app And we will never know why. It's been over a year and the scars are still there. They will never go away. It wasn't a horrible joke, it was an outright decision to punish people. Why? It was one big mistake that this lad made. I'm sorry for your loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingo3 Posted September 30, 2014 #59 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I feel bad for his family, but can't help but wonder if Carnival will be sued over this, though this man was responsible for his actions and the result. Kids making poor decisions. So sad...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel2 Posted September 30, 2014 #60 Share Posted September 30, 2014 No one has mentioned this, and I am just thinking out loud, but perhaps his intention was not to survive the fall:confused: I was actually thinking this too! It really is sad. I mean it's hard to ignore all those restricted access signs and even if intoxicated or what not it's hard to argue he didn't know it was dangerous. You never know what is going on in someone's mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliair Posted September 30, 2014 #61 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I feel bad for his family, but can't help but wonder if Carnival will be sued over this, though this man was responsible for his actions and the result. Kids making poor decisions. So sad...... He was a 20 year old - an adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGP1111 Posted September 30, 2014 #62 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Taken earlier this year (on same class ship) . . . this dude will scoot over to make a nearly identical attempt. He eventually tired of the idea because of the challenge of dodging the rotating equipment so that it didn't knock his block off. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lablover61 Posted September 30, 2014 #63 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I would bet alcohol was involved Sent using the Cruise Critic forums app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joellebridgers Posted September 30, 2014 #64 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Seriously? I'm on there next Monday! So sad! Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmsmuffet Posted September 30, 2014 #65 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I feel bad for his family, but can't help but wonder if Carnival will be sued over this, though this man was responsible for his actions and the result. Kids making poor decisions. So sad......[/quote I hate this happened for everyone involved including the cruise ship..His bad decision makes it hard for a lot of ppl..also why the cruiseships can not keep prices lower..seems they are always on the racks trying to defend themselves..that cost money and like everything else that rolls downhill to us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preschool teacher Posted September 30, 2014 #66 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Prayers and blessings to the family..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisko Posted September 30, 2014 #67 Share Posted September 30, 2014 This kid had an argument with Darwin...as is usually the case, Darwin won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzloolue Posted September 30, 2014 #68 Share Posted September 30, 2014 It is very sad. Twenty year old guys think that they are immortal. Sadly they are not. His family is suffering. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLee1973 Posted September 30, 2014 #69 Share Posted September 30, 2014 By law yes he is an adult but in reality he is a kid. I have a 19 year old who is still very much a kid. I was a 19 and 20 year old in the military with a very real dangerous job. Guess what we were all still kids and acted like kids when not on duty. 19 and 20 year old adults as they say probably have the worst decision judegement around since they think they are bullet proof and invincible. I feel for the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travler27 Posted September 30, 2014 #70 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Very sad. I wonder if alcohol had anything to do with it. Well, if he was 20 it shouldn't have had anything to do with it. If alcohol did play a role whoever supplied it to him may be in a little trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygal Posted September 30, 2014 #71 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Having a 20 year old son of my own, I read "20 year old man" and thought, "Man?? He's still just a boy, at least to his momma." My heart breaks for his family. EXACTLY!! 20 is not a MAN, unless you grew up hard and fast. In our sheltered kids' lives, 20 is a boy. I have a 30 year old who acted like he was 12 on our last cruise. My husband wanted to send him off on his own cruise rather than sail with us. I would NEVER allow that- he is lucky he's here with his actions and need for fun, without alcohol. I've already lost one son, so I won't lose another, God willing. My heart goes out to the parents and the loss of a life yet to be lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmang Posted September 30, 2014 #72 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Did anyone else catch the snarky remark by the reporter mentioning that "the ship would still be leaving this afternoon" with disdain... Edited September 30, 2014 by pmang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SassySabby Posted September 30, 2014 #73 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Here is the article that ran on our local news about this kid since he attended Clemson which is in the upstate where I live. http://www.wyff4.com/news/clemson-releases-statement-about-another-student-death/28331012?request-from-editor=true&showAds=0&utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=wyff%2Bnews%2B4 Edited September 30, 2014 by SassySabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanzer22pilot Posted September 30, 2014 #74 Share Posted September 30, 2014 EXACTLY!! 20 is not a MAN, unless you grew up hard and fast. In our sheltered kids' lives, 20 is a boy. I have a 30 year old who acted like he was 12 on our last cruise. My husband wanted to send him off on his own cruise rather than sail with us. I would NEVER allow that- he is lucky he's here with his actions and need for fun, without alcohol. I've already lost one son, so I won't lose another, God willing. My heart goes out to the parents and the loss of a life yet to be lived. Thirty acting like twelve? At age thirty, my friends and I were Captains responsible for a multi-million dollar airplane flying 34 passengers, a first officier, and a flight attendant. Guess I grew up "hard and fast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreytRacer Posted September 30, 2014 #75 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Here is the article that ran on our local news about this kid since he attended Clemson which is in the upstate where I live. http://www.wyff4.com/news/clemson-releases-statement-about-another-student-death/28331012?request-from-editor=true&showAds=0&utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=wyff%2Bnews%2B4 Thanks for posting the link. It's amazing that all 5 of them weren't hurt or killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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