Suze10860 Posted March 23, 2016 #176 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I live in the UK and as a restauranteur am allowed to give 16 years olds beer wine or cider (cider ***) am I allowed to say that ?, with their meals. I have also been on an unbeknown to me US spring break cruise. Oh gosh, so very awful. Puking teens everywhere. Wanted my money back. Those kids had never had a wine or beer and were let loose on the rest of the world. Bless them. Drinking is fine as long as you do not abuse it.. As an Italian/ Latvian family we introduced our children to wine quite early. We appreciate the flavours and little kick back from a fine wine. Our children have never felt the need to go out and 'get plastered' and ashame themselves. They are now in their mid 40's and still enjoy a drink but not too excess. I think that molly-coddling children ,when they should be adults by 18 , is a huge mistake. I agree with you totally. I think it's a cultural thing in this country that we don't seem anywhere near changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zdcatc12 Posted March 23, 2016 #177 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I agree with you totally. I think it's a cultural thing in this country that we don't seem anywhere near changing. Along with the cabin restrooms on the Epic, that most of the rest of world find nothing wrong with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suze10860 Posted March 23, 2016 #178 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Along with the cabin restrooms on the Epic, that most of the rest of world find nothing wrong with. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted March 24, 2016 #179 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I live in the UK and as a restauranteur am allowed to give 16 years olds beer wine or cider (cider ***) am I allowed to say that ?, with their meals. I have also been on an unbeknown to me US spring break cruise. Oh gosh, so very awful. Puking teens everywhere. Wanted my money back. Those kids had never had a wine or beer and were let loose on the rest of the world. Bless them. Drinking is fine as long as you do not abuse it.. As an Italian/ Latvian family we introduced our children to wine quite early. We appreciate the flavours and little kick back from a fine wine. Our children have never felt the need to go out and 'get plastered' and ashame themselves. They are now in their mid 40's and still enjoy a drink but not too excess. I think that molly-coddling children ,when they should be adults by 18 , is a huge mistake. give or sell......;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted March 24, 2016 #180 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Along with the cabin restrooms on the Epic, that most of the rest of world find nothing wrong with. Huh? what he is saying is that on the epic, the walls of the separate shower/toilet are translucent so the kids can see mommy or daddy showering or sitting on the toilet when they are in the cabin. i don't like it but others don't seem to mind. i think the poster was implying that the rest of the world is fine with it but i disagree.....it's a personal issue, not a cultural one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonyte Posted March 24, 2016 #181 Share Posted March 24, 2016 i think the poster was implying that the rest of the world is fine with it but i disagree.....it's a personal issue, not a cultural one. It definitely is a cultural one, your personal thought process is very much affected by the culture you were raised in. Coming from a culture where sauna (including nudity in mixed gender/age company) is a regular, everyday thing and has absolutely no sexual innuendos, I have to say that in my opinion most people from North America (especially from US) are from my point of view prudes because that is unusual for the culture there - and this shows also with their everlasting "privacy" issues of Epic's bathroom design. In Europe setups like that are not unusual even in hotels and pretty much nobody bats an eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted March 24, 2016 #182 Share Posted March 24, 2016 It definitely is a cultural one, your personal thought process is very much affected by the culture you were raised in. Coming from a culture where sauna (including nudity in mixed gender/age company) is a regular, everyday thing and has absolutely no sexual innuendos, I have to say that in my opinion most people from North America (especially from US) are from my point of view prudes because that is unusual for the culture there - and this shows also with their everlasting "privacy" issues of Epic's bathroom design. In Europe setups like that are not unusual even in hotels and pretty much nobody bats an eye. i disagree but let me break it down. i'm american and wife is german and i lived in europe for 13 years as an adult so i've seen both sides of the fence. most of my explanation has to do with kids seeing parents nude.....even through tempered glass. we're not talking about being nude around strangers which definitely would be a culture thing, we're talking about being nude in front of your kids and that is not a culture thing, here or in europe. also tempered glass has poor sound insulating qualities and very few people enjoy the sounds of someone going to the bathroom, again either here or in europe. having travelled extensively in europe, i have never seen the set up that the epic has in europe in a hotel or b+b room. yes, there are nude saunas where you can sit next to a naked stranger and while it doesn't bother the wife, i don't care for it.....so that aspect is cultural. but there is no sauna i have ever been to that allowed kids younger than 16 and that.....along with toilet sounds.....is what turns me off to the epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sissaaaaaa Posted March 24, 2016 #183 Share Posted March 24, 2016 i disagree but let me break it down. i'm american and wife is german and i lived in europe for 13 years as an adult so i've seen both sides of the fence. most of my explanation has to do with kids seeing parents nude.....even through tempered glass. we're not talking about being nude around strangers which definitely would be a culture thing, we're talking about being nude in front of your kids and that is not a culture thing, here or in europe. also tempered glass has poor sound insulating qualities and very few people enjoy the sounds of someone going to the bathroom, again either here or in europe. having travelled extensively in europe, i have never seen the set up that the epic has in europe in a hotel or b+b room. yes, there are nude saunas where you can sit next to a naked stranger and while it doesn't bother the wife, i don't care for it.....so that aspect is cultural. but there is no sauna i have ever been to that allowed kids younger than 16 and that.....along with toilet sounds.....is what turns me off to the epic. I have been on the ship twice, and you can't "see" anything. Also, there is a curtain separating the shower / toilet area from the rest of the cabin. I have been on the Escape twice as well, and you hear way more "bathroom noise" from that enclosed bathroom then you do on the Epic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zdcatc12 Posted March 24, 2016 #184 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) It definitely is a cultural one, your personal thought process is very much affected by the culture you were raised in. Coming from a culture where sauna (including nudity in mixed gender/age company) is a regular, everyday thing and has absolutely no sexual innuendos, I have to say that in my opinion most people from North America (especially from US) are from my point of view prudes because that is unusual for the culture there - and this shows also with their everlasting "privacy" issues of Epic's bathroom design. In Europe setups like that are not unusual even in hotels and pretty much nobody bats an eye. Thank you. Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I believe that is the reason that the Epic was supposed to go to Europe and never come back to the States. If it was personal and not cultural that would not have happened. Edited March 24, 2016 by zdcatc12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanpatricksmom Posted March 24, 2016 #185 Share Posted March 24, 2016 .....And this thread takes yet another turn, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted March 24, 2016 #186 Share Posted March 24, 2016 There is no "liquor" in a mimosa. Only champagne and OJ. this brought the lolz. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sissaaaaaa Posted March 24, 2016 #187 Share Posted March 24, 2016 this brought the lolz. Thanks. back at ya. There is a difference between wine and liquor ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted March 24, 2016 #188 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I have been on the ship twice, and you can't "see" anything. Also, there is a curtain separating the shower / toilet area from the rest of the cabin. I have been on the Escape twice as well, and you hear way more "bathroom noise" from that enclosed bathroom then you do on the Epic! i have no idea how good your eyesight is but i could definitely see my wife's silhouette and flesh tones......use your imagination....while showering and on the toilet. while the showering aspect did not bother me ;) , the toilet aspect did and i would leave the cabin when she needed to use the restroom to provide some level of decorum for the both of us. for myself, i went upstairs and used the facilities on the deck since we were only 1 deck below. if it doesn't bother you, that's fine and you should feel free to enjoy the epic. as for us.....and i'm sure others, we won't ever sail the epic again due to their bathroom.....specifically toilet.....layout. i have never sailed the escape so i have no idea as to what their layout or sound proofing is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvtheships Posted March 24, 2016 #189 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I've never been on the epic and it's not on my bucket list but if there is a curtain then there really is no issue Are people really so dense that they can't remember to close it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Norton Posted March 24, 2016 #190 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Ive read and seeing videos of cruise trips that have "kids" who get stupidbecause they are drinking and get into fights, stubbling around like idiots....etc. Is this what cruising has become? Letting kids drink? Why? They cant drink back home....Id really like a good reason for this issue to even come up In some countries the kids can legally drink before 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Nerd Posted March 25, 2016 #191 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I've never been on the epic and it's not on my bucket list but if there is a curtain then there really is no issue Are people really so dense that they can't remember to close it? can't close something that isn't there. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWazowski Posted March 25, 2016 #192 Share Posted March 25, 2016 How bout you just not let 18 year olds drink?? we all waited till we were 21:rolleyes: This response adds no value to the original question. Of course, neither does mine!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetpee_1993 Posted March 25, 2016 #193 Share Posted March 25, 2016 How bout you just not let 18 year olds drink?? we all waited till we were 21:rolleyes: I didn't. :eek::cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted March 25, 2016 #194 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I didn't. :eek::cool: Nor did I but then I come from a culture where he legal age is 18 and it isn't uncommon to let a kid have a drink while they are with their parents, either a wine (sometimes watered down) a beer ( or shandy) or even like my niece a about a teaspoon of sherry over some ice cubes ( probably get more alcohol from some cough syrups), but as is so often here if you dare disagree....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted March 25, 2016 #195 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I suspect this parental authority business started because people would go on a cruise, who were able to drink in their own country,methinks say a 19 year old from Australia, and NCL realized hat if they stopped them they would loose a bit of business. Imagine the stink if they allowed parents to auto rise their 19 year old Aussie sone to have a beer but didn't let an American family do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted March 25, 2016 #196 Share Posted March 25, 2016 It really is a shame that a guy old enough to put on a uniform and defend his country cannot have a beer but thanks to our spineless congress(no upper-case letter for them any more, not worthy) they are sort of not allowed. I'm pretty certain that the parent must be travelling with them to sign the waiver. I wonder if a notarized letter from the friends parents would allow the adults traveling on the ship to be able to sign the waiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMH15 Posted March 25, 2016 #197 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) I wonder if a notarized letter from the friends parents would allow the adults traveling on the ship to be able to sign the waiver? It did not in my case. Rules changed in the seven years between taking my nephew and my niece 7 years later. It worked for him but by the time I took her it was a no. Edited March 25, 2016 by DMH15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luddite Posted March 25, 2016 #198 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I wonder if a notarized letter from the friends parents would allow the adults traveling on the ship to be able to sign the waiver? Well.....don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted March 25, 2016 #199 Share Posted March 25, 2016 It did not in my case. Rules changed in the seven years between taking my nephew and my niece 7 years later. It worked for him but by the time I took her it was a no. Thanks, seemed like a possibility worth exploring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sissaaaaaa Posted March 25, 2016 #200 Share Posted March 25, 2016 can't close something that isn't there. ;) Then you sailed within the first month or so of the ship hitting water. The curtain most certainly is there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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