Casino Slots observation

[pablo222]

Chips CAN be replaced, so the casino wish to alter the payout percentage. Typically this is NOT done regularly. It does require a regulator to be present. And considering public relations, this is usually done when the casino is closed so that the public cannot see.

 

Have you ever seen a slot tournament?

 

They will rope off a section of machines, and wire them

to pay like crazy and generate excitement.

 

In the old days, they did this with a board swap.

At real, regulated casinos.

 

BTW, when does a casino in vegas 'close'?

Edited December 1, 2016 by pablo222

[rbt001]

Have you ever seen a slot tournament?

 

They will rope off a section of machines, and wire them

to pay like crazy and generate excitement.

 

In the old days, they did this with a board swap.

At real, regulated casinos.

 

BTW, when does a casino in vegas 'close'?

 

Machines used for slot tournaments have a special mode just for tournaments: no currency is inserted nor redeemed.

 

Casinos exist in many other locations outside of Las Vegas, and not all are open 24/7.

 

 

 

But listen... at the end of the day no matter what facts are presented, there's always a certain sect of the population wearing tin-foil hats, convinced the world is nothing but a big conspiracy out to get everyone.

 

If anyone feels casinos are rigged, a rip off, designed to cheat, then STAY AWAY.

[skrodle]

As someone who works in the Slot industry I can assure you that the casino operator cannot loosen or tighten a machine on the whim. The RTP (return to player) is determined by the casino and set. So a Lucky 7's slot at one casino may have a different RTP at another casino even though it is the same game, but the casino operator cannot just "network in" and change the RTP. Any perception of being able to loosen or tighten slots is only that, perception... RTP is set to pay the house over a long period of time and many slots are extremely volatile where they will have long runs of pays, and long streaks of loss where the player feels "it has to pay soon". The RNG in the machine does not know what your bet is, if you have upped your bet, lowered your bet, rubbed the machine, touched a lucky symbol, hit fast, hit slow, hit reels stop. Also walking away from a machine and the next person sits and hits there is no "they took my win" because the chip is always generating numbers, even when you are not playing, and the moment you hit bet, it determines the win or loss, the reels spinning is just show. This is the same on the cruise lines... its all perception, slot players are extremely superstitious...

Edited December 2, 2016 by skrodle
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[latebloomer56]

I still like playing never noticed difference in win/lose days. Win or lose I have fun. Bring only what I can afford to lose and if I break even at the end great if not oh well it was still a good time for me.

In several years I've only hit a few times for anything more than what I started with and the lady next to me had to explain I won 3X's so got 900 the same day I got 200 in the morning. Just the luck of the draw but that was years ago still remember that happy feeling though.

Oh and that was on the old NCL Dream. Princess even at best. So much fun wish I could bring myself to play cards, but I only like 5 card stud so not sure they even play that.

Thanks for the interesting posts.

[pablo222]

I was actually on a RCCI ship (no names) playing a slot, when a worker with a laptop sat close to me and plugged in to a terminal. He could see every slot and how much it was paying. He then went on to reduce the payouts.

 

Of course.

 

The only reason most casinos on land don't do it is:

1) they don't need to.

2) regulations prevent it, or they might have to have a

regulator actually observe it, and file paperwork

(see 1)

 

I've only been on one cruise line where they claimed

they were regulated by the New Jersey casino control

commission (and had dealers from NJ).

 

Otherwise, the cruise line can pretty much do what they

want.

 

If you don't like it on Princess, who are you going to complain

to ... some Panamanian shell corporation that is managing

the casinios?

[rbt001]

As someone who works in the Slot industry I can assure you that the casino operator cannot loosen or tighten a machine on the whim. The RTP (return to player) is determined by the casino and set. So a Lucky 7's slot at one casino may have a different RTP at another casino even though it is the same game, but the casino operator cannot just "network in" and change the RTP. Any perception of being able to loosen or tighten slots is only that, perception... RTP is set to pay the house over a long period of time and many slots are extremely volatile where they will have long runs of pays, and long streaks of loss where the player feels "it has to pay soon". The RNG in the machine does not know what your bet is, if you have upped your bet, lowered your bet, rubbed the machine, touched a lucky symbol, hit fast, hit slow, hit reels stop. Also walking away from a machine and the next person sits and hits there is no "they took my win" because the chip is always generating numbers, even when you are not playing, and the moment you hit bet, it determines the win or loss, the reels spinning is just show. This is the same on the cruise lines... its all perception, slot players are extremely superstitious...

 

Now if some could just take off their tin-foil hats and absorb what you say!

 

I object to the posts here that spread falsehoods about casino slots because that's how myths are created: "I read on this board that all the machines are networked.... they can do what they want..."

 

Someone just posted:

 

If you don't like it on Princess, who are you going to complain

to ... some Panamanian shell corporation that is managing

the casinios?(sic)

 

Actually, this is the website where you can read about GLOBAL CASINO OPERATIONS, which is an affiliated Carnival Corp company; they have offices within Carnival Corp in Miami.

 

https://www.oceancasinojobs.com/AboutUs.aspx So it's NOT some "Panamanian shell corporation"

 

Princess casinos comply with all applicable laws in the jurisdictions where they operate.

 

The casinos are regulated by Carnival Corp and Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), so yes, one could say they are self-regulated.

 

Without argument, I'm sure everyone will agree that the the primary casino objective is to make money.

 

HOWEVER... often overlooked are two KEY ELEMENTS that unquestionably would be part of a casino's mission statement:

 

...turning a profit in a TRUST-WORTHY and ENTERTAINING environment.

 

Who would spend their money gambling in a casino that is perceived to be cheating their customers?

 

Again, when one takes time to understand how slot machines work, it should be clear to see there's no reason for a casino to cheat. A smart casino knows that all they have to do is keep you entertained so that you stay and play. Because if you play long enough, the house will eventually win.

[pablo222]

ead about GLOBAL CASINO OPERATIONS, which is an affiliated Carnival Corp company; they have offices within Carnival Corp in Miami.

 

You do know that Carnival Corporation is incorporated in Panama, right?

Edited December 3, 2016 by pablo222

[Cruise Raider]

I have the same theory but was told on these boards, that in no uncertain terms, that I was wrong!! Crazy even!! An lengthy explanation of just how slot machines work was provided.

 

But, whatever! I still believe the payouts are better on the first night and again on the last day. I have had most luck on that last day!! And ... certainly, not on every cruise or even on ever other cruise, but when I have been lucky, it was almost always on that first night or last day onboard.

[pablo222]

But listen... at the end of the day no matter what facts are presented, there's always a certain sect of the population wearing tin-foil hats, convinced the world is nothing but a big conspiracy out to get everyone.

 

You know, it might be possible for reasonable people to disagree.

 

There is really no need for your petty insults.

[rbt001]

I have the same theory but was told on these boards, that in no uncertain terms, that I was wrong!! Crazy even!! An lengthy explanation of just how slot machines work was provided.

 

But, whatever! I still believe the payouts are better on the first night and again on the last day. I have had most luck on that last day!! And ... certainly, not on every cruise or even on ever other cruise, but when I have been lucky, it was almost always on that first night or last day onboard.

 

Typically ship casinos are busiest on the first and last days of the cruise. More activity means more chances that there will be wins.

 

One of the local casinos here in South Florida have several loud bells installed on the casino floor. Every time a cashier in the cage back of house disburses cash for a taxable jackpot, the cashier rings the bells (there's a simple doorbell-like button.) On a BUSY night, when just about every slot machine is active in this large casino, that bell rings REGULARLY. But during a slow period, when the casino is practically empty, you hardly ever hear the bell ring. The odds haven't changed: it's simply that there are much fewer chances of a win due to lack of activity.

[rbt001]

You know, it might be possible for reasonable people to disagree.

 

There is really no need for your petty insults.

 

Oh... no insults intended and no fingers were pointed.

 

From Wiki with bold added for emphasis:

 

A tin foil hat is a hat made from one or more sheets of aluminium foil, or a piece of conventional headgear lined with foil, worn in the belief it shields the brain from threats such as electromagnetic fields, mind control, and mind reading. The notion of wearing homemade headgear for such protection has become a popular stereotype and byword for paranoia, persecutory delusions, and belief in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.

 

 

 

Some of the misstatements of fact about casino slot machines on here are how myths and falsehoods are spread and perpetuated. And THAT is particularly offensive to anyone in the industry.

 

True incident: I was speaking with someone who had worked for the New Jersey Gaming Commission for many years, someone who I considered a creditable source. I shared with him some of the myths that I've heard slot players believe and state while playing:

 

-"The machine plays better when I don't have my card inserted so the casino doesn't know it's me playing and they can't control how much I win."

 

-"I've got the rhythm of this machine down, so I know when it's going to win."

 

-"I press the spin button again to stop the reels, thereby controlling it."

 

He LAUGHED IN RIDICULE.

 

 

 

 

So.... "tin foil hat" and my use of it was simply "word economy" and the term is NOT considered derogatory.

[Grego]

I agree and this is how it works in Nevada casinos:

 

Slot machines are random

 

There you have it. Slots aren't affected by the presence (or absence) of a player's card, how long it's been since the last jackpot hit, or anything else. Slots don't have periods where they pay out more to "make up" for earlier periods where they paid out less. They're random, period. Anyone who says otherwise is simply pulling B.S. out of thin air and declaring it to be fact, with no evidence to support their delusions. :cool::):D

 

Well done. I chopped your quote to get to the bottom line....gambling is supposed to be fun coupled with the excitement of winning once in awhile.

[rbt001]

You do know that Carnival Corporation is incorporated in Panama, right?

 

I didn't know that. When I read your post, I went to confirm that from a trusted source: I downloaded and read the Articles of Incorporation that are available on the CCL Corp website. So I believe it.

 

But I also learned that any Personal Injury Lawsuit which is brought against the company is considered a federal lawsuit and should be filed in US Federal Court in Miami. And I believe --though I don't know for sure if it's true-- that any claims against one of their casinos would also fall into the category of a personal injury lawsuit and follow this channel.

 

I also believe that passengers who in some way feel they have been harmed by the company --whether it be physical, financial or otherwise-- would NOT be helpless victims trying to track down some foreign "shell corporation."

 

BOTTOM LINE: I feel perfectly safe and protected traveling with Princess (and other CCL brands) and I enjoy playing in their casinos. I believe and feel that they operate honestly and with integrity. I don't feel they "rig the system," "cheat players," or "manipulate in any way considered unethical."

 

I also do NOT have my head in the sand and I remain aware. I've reasonably concluded that there's no "MAGIC PIPE" in any of the casinos, simply again, because there's no REASON for it.

[CalLuvsCrusingToo]

I mostly play Video poker.

 

Why?

 

Because there is No guessing WHAT the pay schedule is......

its Listed on the front of the machine.

 

I know what a Good payschedule is, vs. a bad one.

I look for the best available.

Most ships are in the Play at the Airport, kind of pay schedule.

 

But I've been lucky & gotten a W2G on most ships,

so it can't be all bad....... (Princess/Carnival mails them to you,

while NCL gives on the ship)

especially when you Know what you're doing.;)

Edited December 4, 2016 by CalLuvsCrusingToo

[pablo222]

I didn't know that. When I read your post, I went to confirm that from a trusted source: I downloaded and read the Articles of Incorporation that are available on the CCL Corp website. So I believe it.

 

When you google lawsuits against carnival, they all

start out with 'Disgruntled Cruiser' vs. Carnival Corporation, a Panama Corporation.

 

There was some bru-ha-ha a few years ago about the casinos being a panamanian

corporation, but I don't remember the details.

 

I don't think cruise ship casinos cheat you.

But, they don't have any regulators, so they are pretty

much free to set the machine holds to whatever they like.

 

As far as I know, Princess doesn't say what their hold is on slot machines,

so there is no way to complain that they aren't living up to it.

 

As lots of people play bingo on ships, it's clear they don't

real care what the expectations of the games are that they play.

Edited December 5, 2016 by pablo222

[pablo222]

The notion of wearing homemade headgear for such protection has become a popular stereotype and byword for paranoia, persecutory delusions, and belief in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.

 

Exactly. Basically, you're saying that anyone who doesn't agree

with you is paranoid and/or delusional.