Current Glory problems??

[cruzeluver]

Shame the captain could not find a port at which to disembark those "protesting".

[ItsAllAboutTheSass]

Snowflakes...

[ItsAllAboutTheSass]

Shame the captain could not find a port at which to disembark those "protesting".

 

Who needs a port? hand them a life jacket and tell them good luck

[Cushing985]

Actually I think it's chump change , it's all together another day with the same problem.

 

I recommend you go to the Merchant Marine Academy and show them how it's done.:rolleyes:

[chengkp75]

So if no foreign ports were visited, wouldn't that contravene the PSA and Carnival be liable for a $300 fine per passenger?

 

Exemptions to the PVSA are routinely granted for weather or mechanical issues. Besides, under the PVSA, cruises to nowhere are allowed, it is the fact that CBP has determined that crew on cruises to nowhere need to have US work visas, not crew visas, that don't allow cruises to nowhere anymore, but they are fine under PVSA.

[kaycee711]

We had a similar experience years ago when our ports were changed on a Royal Caribbean Mexican Rivera cruise due the swine flu epidemic. We got $150 OBC which we were ok with until others from our roll call got everyone riled up that it wasn't enough. They had found out that Carnival gave passengers a full refund. They got everyone to write letters when we got back which got nowhere.

 

My point is the only thing this accomplished was that it stopped us from cruise RC for many years. This was definitely our loss because when we finally went again we loved it.

 

If you plan to continue cruising, for your own sake, get over it now and enjoy your next cruise with your 25% discount.

[Harrier1961]

I love all of the "experts" that can tell that a ship should be able to dock.

So, how many years of running a large cruise ship do these people have?

Or that the cruise line miss ports on purpose so people are "forced" to spend money in the casino or on liquor.

 

Andy

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Micahs Grandad]

I love all of the "experts" that can tell that a ship should be able to dock.

So, how many years of running a large cruise ship do these people have?

Or that the cruise line miss ports on purpose so people are "forced" to spend money in the casino or on liquor.

 

Andy

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

Not exactly easy to dock a large ship when mother nature is against you.

[bury me at sea]

I have only one question after reading all of this.

 

Do cruise lines have any legal recourse against passengers who incite or participate in riots?

 

The situation as described at Guest Services would have really scared me.

[chengkp75]

I have only one question after reading all of this.

 

Do cruise lines have any legal recourse against passengers who incite or participate in riots?

 

The situation as described at Guest Services would have really scared me.

 

The cruise ticket contract allows for the restraint, confinement, or disembarkation of any passenger that constitutes a threat to the safety or wellbeing of the crew or passengers, at the Captain's sole discretion. This is also upheld in maritime law.

[Mytime2014]

I have only one question after reading all of this.

 

Do cruise lines have any legal recourse against passengers who incite or participate in riots?

 

The situation as described at Guest Services would have really scared me.

 

I would have felt threatened by an unruly mob - hands up/yelling demanding the captain... isn't that how mutiny starts?!!! [jk about the mutiny part...]

[bury me at sea]

The cruise ticket contract allows for the restraint, confinement, or disembarkation of any passenger that constitutes a threat to the safety or wellbeing of the crew or passengers, at the Captain's sole discretion. This is also upheld in maritime law.

 

Thank you. That is comforting to know.

[Mytime2014]

Just realized....no one started the complaint with I am diamond or I am platinum...

[AmazedByCruising]

The cruise ticket contract allows for the restraint, confinement, or disembarkation of any passenger that constitutes a threat to the safety or wellbeing of the crew or passengers, at the Captain's sole discretion. This is also upheld in maritime law.

 

Would a large scale protest by passengers at some point become "mutiny" in a legal sense? So that the Captain cannot only lock the passengers up and get them to pay for damages but passengers would face criminal law as well?

[Anthomaniac]

I have only one question after reading all of this.

 

Do cruise lines have any legal recourse against passengers who incite or participate in riots?

 

The situation as described at Guest Services would have really scared me.

At the very least they can ban them from cruising on their ships.

 

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[bury me at sea]

At the very least they can ban them from cruising on their ships.

 

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Perhaps banning some of these folks would have made more sense than rewarding them with a future discount.

[chengkp75]

Would a large scale protest by passengers at some point become "mutiny" in a legal sense? So that the Captain cannot only lock the passengers up and get them to pay for damages but passengers would face criminal law as well?

 

Technically, probably. Realistically, no. Though by Bahamian law, the Captain does retain the authority to carry out a death sentence on "mutineers".

Edited January 18, 2017 by chengkp75

[bury me at sea]

Technically, probably. Realistically, no. Though by Bahamian law, the Captain does retain the authority to carry out a death sentence on "mutineers".

 

Jeez!

[AmazedByCruising]

Technically, probably. Realistically, no. Though by Bahamian law, the Captain does retain the authority to carry out a death sentence on "mutineers".

 

Too bad the Glory is flying the Panamese flag. The Captain could have made quite a powerful anouncement if it happened to be registered in Nassau :D

[Micahs Grandad]

Too bad the Glory is flying the Panamese flag. The Captain could have made quite a powerful anouncement if it happened to be registered in Nassau :D

 

In Panama the punishment is drawing and quartering that in some circles is deemed a harsher penalty for piracy.

[RogueMonk]

I was on that cruise. Lets get some facts straight.

 

1.) There were some choppy seas at time, but nothing worse than I have experience on any of the other January cruises I have taken.

 

2.) There was NOT a LARGE crowd at guest services. I sat and watched the whole thing--start to finish. There were about 100 people chanting and congregated at guest services. There were about another 100 watching them. That is a small percentage of the 3400 guests on board the ship.

 

3.) This cost carnival a lot. It cost them PR. It cost them lots in both Grand Turk and Half Moon Cay--as the own and operate both. It cost their employees thousands in removed gratuities. This was a no win situation.

 

4.) All that being said, I do think Carnival and the Glory staff could have been more receptive and more proactive. It took almost an hour before somebody finally came to talk to the "crowd." It was a safety issue. It was potentially volatile. And it was handles poorly. And while 25% off a future cruise is a significant future savings, throwing out some sort of compensation (required or not) would have been good business. A couple free drink or a $50 obc could have won them some positive PR.

 

5.) Its a January cruise. You WILL get some rough seas and you DO run the risk of weather delays and/or cancelations. That's why January is so much cheaper than most other times of the year.

 

 

Anyway....I was not in the snow. I got some nice sun. I met some new people. I ate some good food. And I still love cruising.

Edited January 19, 2017 by RogueMonk

[Mytime2014]

I was on that cruise. Lets get some facts straight.

 

1.) There were some choppy seas at time, but nothing worse than I have experience on any of the other January cruises I have taken.

 

2.) There was NOT a LARGE crowd at guest services. I sat and watched the whole thing--start to finish. There were about 100 people chanting and congregated at guest services. There were about another 100 watching them. That is a small percentage of the 3400 guests on board the ship.

 

3.) This cost carnival a lot. It cost them PR. It cost them lots in both Grand Turk and Half Moon Cay--as the own and operate both. It cost their employees thousands in removed gratuities. This was a no win situation.

 

4.) All that being said, I do think Carnival and the Glory staff could have been more receptive and more proactive. It took almost an hour before somebody finally came to talk to the "crowd." It was a safety issue. It was potentially volatile. And it was handles poorly. And while 25% off a future cruise is a significant future savings, throwing out some sort of compensation (required or not) would have been good business. A couple free drink or a $50 obc could have won them some positive PR.

 

5.) Its a January cruise. You WILL get some rough seas and you DO run the risk of weather delays and/or cancelations. That's why January is so much cheaper than most other times of the year.

 

 

Anyway....I was not in the snow. I got some nice sun. I met some new people. I ate some good food. And I still love cruising.

 

 

Good points - but no matter what they offered [short of a free cruise and reimbursement for this one] I doubt some people would have been happy. Personally - I think they should have passed out obc and/or free drinks to the people NOT in the crowd...don't compensate people for being *******s!! but the squeaky wheel....I wasnt there, so not my monkey.

 

It did remind me [as a new cruiser] that crap can happen - I'll take an extra book, some dramamine, wine and m&m's in case I can't get to the bar to use my cheers!

[AmazedByCruising]

Technically, probably. Realistically, no. Though by Bahamian law, the Captain does retain the authority to carry out a death sentence on "mutineers".

 

From another thread I learned linesmen are organized rather well, and I heard similar stories about pilots. Do you know if crew ever organized a strike while at sea?

[Corby114]

I was on last weeks Allure Of The Seas Western Caribbean sailing. On Tuesday, January 10th the ship missed it's first port stop, Labadee, Haiti due to high winds that were gusting over Fifty miles per hour. The captain made the announcement at 7:15AM that it was too dangerous to dock there. On Wednesday, January 11th we were lucky to dock at Falmouth, Jamaica because the winds were also blowing hard.Two ships scheduled to dock there on Tuesday canceled there stop. When the Disney Fantasy left port they used both their bow thrusters and propellers to pull away from the dock. The Jamaician vendors were complaining that it was way too cold for them. I told them it was 46 degrees in South Florida, 19 degrees in Northern New Jersey where I live, and 4 degrees in Hamden, Connecticut where my son goes to college on embarkation day.

[chengkp75]

From another thread I learned linesmen are organized rather well, and I heard similar stories about pilots. Do you know if crew ever organized a strike while at sea?

 

In the US, yes, longshoremen are unionized. Pilots belong to professional associations, owned by the pilots in the port, that set their own working conditions, so no, they are not unionized. Maritime unions exist for most mariners, worldwide. In the US, they generally have a no-strike clause in their collective bargaining agreements. However, when a mariner signs on a ship, he/she is making a personal contract between the mariner and the Captain for the duration of the voyage. These are known as "articles of agreement", and while many areas of the articles are covered by the collective bargaining agreements, the articles follow the maritime laws of the flag state. I don't know of any flag state that doesn't have a law, or allows articles that don't have wording to the effect that the mariner agrees to obey all commands given by those in charge. So, no, there are no strikes at sea, since if the crew were to refuse to work, it could be construed as endangering the safety of the passengers, cargo, or vessel. Sometimes, a ship will be tied up in port if the unions are strong enough, and the complaints valid and compelling enough, so that other unions like the longshoremen won't handle the lines, or allow replacement crew to join the ship.